Well, of course, if your religion tells you that you must fight for it, then it will be right in your religion's moral system. That's just tautological.

26th November 2012



Well, you can't...

It isn't.

26th November 2012

Also, not talking about variables, but about statements.

26th November 2012

this also means that it can't be regarded as "false" because "false" is a truth-value.

You can't say the statement is "not true" because you would be saying it is false and by saying that you claim to know the truth-value of the statement when you just declared that you can't verify it.

Yes you can.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, what I meat to say is that you can't prove a fact to be "not true" by saying it is unverifiable.

Ok, I think you're confusing meaningless with unverifiable. I can understand what "There is an onion bhaji at the centre of Uranus" means, though I can't find verify that statement. If you're going...

Sorry, but, just in case you didn't know, a nuclear warfare involves more than one nuclear weapon. And also, there were only two situations in which nuclear weapons were used on humans. I think we...

Ok, so if, let's say, someone takes you country and establishes a dictatorship, you would just let that happen?

Nice way to debate. And no, 'matter' and 'energy' are still too abstract. To really get what exists you have to get rid of all those abstractions.

Conventional warfare doesn't bring a good enough deterrent. For a deterrent similar to the one nuclear weapons bring, there needs to be a risk of mutual assured destruction. Conventional warfare...

Why is fighting "stupid in general"? isn't there anything we should fight for at all?


Also, yes, Israel vs. Palestine is not just about religion, but about territory, resources, culture in...

Yet the only way you know those things is through experience. (Or, if you wan't, because those things are in the world in which you live.)

If a ghost is taken to be, by definition, the soul of a deceased person, then physicalism would straight-up contradict the idea, so there are no coherent physicalists that believe in "ghosts." (At...

What is the difference and why is this relevant to the discussion?

As I said before, even if those events are not explained by current physics, there needs to be a good enough explanation to really be taken as such. I do not accuse ghost believers to be 'dumb', only...

Exactly. The belief even has the same basic structure:

700 B.C

1. Thunders are known 'to happen'
2. People start asking why they actually happen.
3. They invent an agent (i.e. "the god of...

I can fucking believe that, having studied philosophy, you believe that creating entities from nothing and ascribe them properties like agency is a damn good idea to explain stuff. (Unless, of...

First, I shall say that I don't believe in something called ghosts to which we ascribe certain properties and actions. I do, however, think that there are many unexplained phenomena (even in our...

Excuse me sir, but I have to disagree. Hobbes' conception of what is a human being is reductionist and it implies many false assumptions (e.g. that every human only thinks about his own benefit [that...

The first thing I must say is that this is no way to debate. Saying your opponent is disagreeing with because of lack of knowledge is declaring yourself the winner beforehand, and therefore not being...

Also, about morality one can say "everyone understands, or should understand, that rape and senseless murder are wrong. From there, thing get sketchy and unclear." The very purpose of this kind of...

It's even worse than that. Utilitarianism is wrong even in principle: It assumes that pain and pleasure can be measured.

On this, I think exploring different states of consciousness is actually a 'sure' way to find things about your own consciousness and the way in which things show up 'in your world' you wouldn't be...

There's something I still don't understand. What is your goddamned true justice? It's like...come on it on the goddamn title of the thread!

Yes! You're right, people don't know what it's good for them... they're like children... or animals! And, of course, Mr. government is a lot more mature than them, so he should take care of them!

Faith in a necessary element in every person's life. If we didn't had a certain amount of faith, then we wouldn't be able to live our lives normally.

The extent in which people are determined by their culture is really much greater that the one in which they determine their culture. Only a few can free themselves from most of the prejudices of the...

Well, it isn't the ultimate goal for me, neither for lots of people. If advancement is a goal is generally because it agrees with someone's conception of what is good, and, although feelings are not...

Why should we make productivity better? Is there even a reason to do that if you don't consider feelings?

You're appealing to some form of 'right to be free.' Why the hell do you have to be free, anyway?If you wan't to go against morality, don't use moral principles to justify your position.




How...

How can you actually define something as good and bad if you're not under some moral paradigm already? The very title and aim of the thread is contradictory.

Who's feelings? And why should we do what is more beneficial to the group? Isn't it because it generally agree's with most people's feelings?




Great. Now you're just mad because you...

Ignorance. [usually ignorance for scientists, as they seek to explain the world, fall short then turn to the non-scientific approach.][/QUOTE]

Could have been clearer. Anyway, I guess I'm just...

Couldn't you have been that clear from the beginning?



In most cases it is like that. People grow up not knowing anything and just accepting everything 'grown ups' tell them because uhmm ......

The problem of that perspective is that it ignores the very process of development of those values. It is problematic with kids precisely because of that: You have to tell a kid what is 'right' and...

Well, then tell me, what exactly does anyone need to know for rejecting a spiritual belief? (I'm not talking about factual belief that can be given a spiritual meaning, I'm talking about actual...

Sorry, but none of you have actually done what I told you in the comments. You always talk about people now. In the comment you replied to I advised you to take a look at history, and that is what...

The concept of giving human life some value "just for the sake of it" didn't arose in Modernity. What did arose is the concept of human dignity. However, I wouldn't say human dignity arose...

But what are the limits between what is considered 'coercive' and what isn't? We can imagine lots of situations in which you can control the needs and desires of a person to make them want something...

This is...not really debating. If you have any doubt about known physics you can read book about physics, they all say pretty much the same, I guess. You can real the rules for reference on posting.

Ok. Tell me about one of the predominant moral systems of Modern Age that isn't related in any way to Christian moral conceptions.



It wasn't just for 'explaining stuff'. People here are prone...

Uh huh...





I love how you completely ignore that part of my post. The rejection of 'factual truths' of the bible doesn't mean you have completely rejected Christianity. All that 'reason and...

I declare my ignorance on this one. It was probably the effect of being under the rule of the Roman Empire. You must also consider that, as you said, there were different messianic Judaism movements...

That is very naive.



There are 2 presuppositions in your post you're probably not aware of:

1. That 'justice' always refer to retributive justice. (punishment/reward)
2. That thinking...

You can include the spaces, numbers and punctuation signs. That would just lessen the probability. But any factor involving "order" (i.e. "how many vowels are in words") is already inside that...

Do you compulsively answer to anyone without further reading of their posts? Next time I expect that you organize one, and only ONE answer.

Anyway, you have to read my entire post, not rip it into...

Okay, I don't know what you would label as a 'cult' and what you wouldn't. Just forget about all those terms already. Even if you would cal Christianity a 'cult' because of that, I do think that the...

I don't know if you do know about this, but if I brought the Greek philosophers in this discussion is to show how people in the past can embrace the idea of there being no gods and of looking upon...

You're wrong. Fast counterexample: the Greek philosophers. Period.

1st September 2012

And no, I'm not confusing the end of the middle ages with the begging of civilization. Never said that. I'm...

Yeah, right.




That's right, they didn't. I agree with you. But, what does that prove?