Yeah, that realy sucks, but you know, you can make a car, put a rt camera on it and add hundreds of turrets, that using just numpad and vanilla props, and we would still have a minge killing everyone on the server and ruining the game!

Take it as a challenge: try to write an expression that can counter the bad guys'.

Those are exactly the kinds of expressions that people use to minge with. Don't hate the expression, hate the player.

That's my point: if they behave, that's OK but if they minge... open season. Fight fire with fire.

I fight minges with an anti-noclip cage, and the Asgard Transporter...

I built a massive hangar structure with gates and all that stuff, that I spawn to stay safe from the minges if they should appear. They always try to do shit to get inside

There is going to be a wire 2.

IF you do not like wire or E2 then don't use it (PERIOD)

But E2 and wire did not ruin gmod. All it did was add more possibilities.

And yes E2 can spawn holograms but there is a default size of 50 units and there are also console commands to disable or enable holograms.

My point is that E2 added more possibilities and allows you to code in-game. Instead of having to make a script outside of gmod then import it in then see if it works. And wasting time. Also E2 is a great way of getting to learn simple scripting.

If u don't like it dont use it.

try to learn e2 then try to say this stuff about it.i used to think the same thing untill i learnded it, now its the best thing to gmod.

E2 is wonderful, I use it for control systems because the numbpad doesn't feel natural to use when controlling something and it is a great improvement over E1 (I never understood it).

I do however hold people that can make something GOOD without major wire assistance, a good example of this is Saber15's VTOLs the only wire used is a adv pod controller for activating the thrusters, all the balancing has to be done by the player in the seat which does make for some fail pilots but is ultimately more fun to just fly in than some applyforce() fighter.

As for people just hateing on wiremod/phx: Think about it, how many people would still be playing gmod if all this wasn't made? If we still had a pure vanilla gmod? Things like Saber15's VTOLs wouldn't exist because we wouldn't have the weight tool or smartsnap! Gmod would die if we didn't have such addons. Nothing new or fresh would come and all the players would leave.

Hell look at TF2 Valve brings players back with the class updates! Many have left and retured because of new weapons and maps and in gmod this is present but tenfold because of the community!

I hope this changed some of your minds.

Server admins can delete:
E2 is gone.

the only thing i dont like about it is the gay turrets that hover over peoples heads and just kill with turrets and i dont like just a flying e2 chip that rams into u on spawn and kills u. but it's only bad if minges use it + u dont have to use it.

I understand how you feel.

And tbh, I don't have the slightest idea how to work E2 at all. I need tutorials or something.

You know what? I used to be against wire and e2, not because I couldn't learn it, and not because I think it makes things too easy, but because everyone was using it. I like to stay away from the stuff everyone else likes, because I'm just like that. Now that I've realized that the people on my side of the argument are just a bunch of whiny kids, I've realized that maybe I didn't give wire the respect it needed. Everyone says "Wire is uncreative!" "Wire ruined gmod!" etc. I can tell you, it is DEFINITELY not uncreative. I've seen amazing things done that I could dream of making with just my vannilla props and basic tools. Also, now that I've tried it out, I think it's a necessary addon to any server. It hasn't ruined gmod, it's transformed it.

Edit: Could anyone help me with e2? I've done fine learning regular wire, but I want to know how to code e2 to impress my brother. I have experience in C# and some LUA. My steam name is Serpentine Savior and my login name is Pwnick. Thanks

I only use E2s with spacebuild stuff, but i've developed a fondess for it and expand into other things. I'm not a big contraptions builder, but i love bases, spaceships, that kinda stuff. E2's end up being things for me that reduce a million gates or chips down to a single chip in life support or security features.

One of my more recent hobbies has been a "stargate computer/library/iris controller" chip that links up to a keyboard and screen and prevents anyone from using my gate except through teh keyboard so everything's logged.

AS for other contraptions, well when it gets to thinks like pirate wars, i don't need chips and i dont really build anything else that needs gates at all.

Then again, I'm one of maybe 3 people in my "ping range" (servers ranging from 50-300ms) that actually uses E2 on a regular basis, so I could be biased. That or Australian/New Zealanders dont use E2 online or at all.

I don't like darkRP. Ima go make a usless thread about how it ruined gmod -.-

to those guy saying people copie other players e2 might be right but most people copy off them to learn it themselves for example: me I copied some e2 off the internet but I typed it all out why? TO LEARN IT after I did that I began using the basic concept of it in my other custom e2 work people copy to LEARN things and if you say you havent copied 1 OR MORE e2 scripts are lying.

E2 is the evolution of garysmod and wire everything evolves including us If you say that e2 helped the minges, it helped us. People say that wire helped the minges. GARRYSMOD CREATED THE BASTARDS. but it also helped us. I think e2 is one of the best things that has ever happened to garrysmod.

Learn it and you won't hate it, or join a server without it, or go cry in a corner.

Personally, I hate it when people have these E2's that everyone uses and just uses it over and over again. That's about it. Otherwise, if you are this pissy about it, learn it step by step and test things out and whatnot.

:)

is a false dichotomy with three things a false trichotomy?

I personally made this statement true by doing all three at once.

Your thread ruined Facepunch.

Uhm. If you don't like E2 why do you have the newest wiremod or simply just don't use it?
I mean, I think it's pretty good (Even though I don't use wire much).

Check Mark for you!

In my opinion, Expression 2 made much of the "wire components" useless. Finally.
Wire is the actual "server cancer" since it grows and grows and grows, adding "new stuff" as "advanced version" which basically does the same as the "normal"-versions instead of enhancing them.

Look at the explosives: "Simple Explosive","Explosive Advanced" and a "Detonator" (Names not fully correct. Can't remember, but there are three sents doing the same: Exploding). All of them could have been done in ONE SENT.

Since the expression gate 2 now combines so much functionalities, wire mostly became useless.


But still, you can code your own stuff not using wire. It will be much less complex but much more "funny" in my eyes. So I can agree: The abilties wire and expression gave to GMod "destroyed" the old-school GModding. But at the same time, it introduced new cool abilities. Change happens!

On my server i have a friend (Angus) and he said "Poke Jezza", i looked down later and saw a dick plowing into me... it seems as though with the new e2 you can make shapes which aren't props so you can't do anything about it, in my opinion E2 is unbalanced, OP and takes the game itself out of the game.

Wait, an overpowered thing in a sandbox game? What are you on about?

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I never understood why there were 3 different entities for the same thing. All I want is some bloody wired dynamite.

You'd think it impossible x]
But oh so true!...

You can't have an overpowered thing in a sandbox game, that's like having a car that's too fast in IRL racing.

Probably bad choice of words but do ya get what i mean?

I do, but it's not a very good reason. If you're annoyed by it, play on a server that has admins on.

Hehe i own the server so i'm not saying this for myself but for others.

Sort of but I don't see how anything can be overpowered in a sandbox game. The more possibilities something adds the better it is, doesn't make anything overpowered at all.

just being able to control something which isn't controllable or blockable, can go anywhere do anything just by giving it numbers :/ seems somehow unfair

You obviously have no idea how E2 works, nor that there's console commands for complete control over 3D holograms:

That's the whole reason I do GMod. I can make a semi-automated contraption that I could never do in real life. I love having that ability to do things that you can't in real life - if you want to make a giant walking drivable lizard, go for it. An F-16 with droppable, explodable JDAMs? Sure.

E2 made me play gmod again.

Why would you assume that? non physics object that can go anywhere, i've seen it O_O

So? If you are bothered by them disable them on your client, or if it's your server, block them for that person. It's not difficult to understand.

Blocking it for every person that joins is a chore, is there any way to disable holograms?

You could always delete holograms.lua in garrysmod\addons\wire\lua\entities\gmod_wire_expre ssion2\core, but people would most likely bitch at you about it, and when you update wire it would be back.

Not to me. If E2 is somehow 'overpowered' or 'unfair' then so is the Lua SENT system.

Guyz Guyz, Gmod is a Physics Sandbox, so, you can do here WHATEVER YOU WANT and HOW, you can use a motor for moving the wheels, or you can use a WHEEL tool to move and attack the wheels, it dont matter HOW you do it, gmod not is about HOW YOU DO IT , in gmod you must make FUNNY things, doing fun, and doing EVERYTHING you want, its not about just WIRE or EXPRESSIONS or HYDRAULICS or FIREWORKS, some thing is better do with thrusters and other basic tools and there are thing you never can make using thrusters and basic tool, so, be happy