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 Post #41
 21st March 2010
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OvB's Avatar
March 2007
5,736 Posts
Political opinions are opinions. Asking others to evaluate them is silly. Keep your own opinions.
 Post #42
 21st March 2010
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December 2007
2,274 Posts
Political opinions are opinions. Asking others to evaluate them is silly. Keep your own opinions.
But how else will he fit in if people don't like his opinions! He could have a mental breakdown.
 Post #43
 21st March 2010
noctune9's Avatar
April 2008
1,941 Posts
-Most of my Students see him as a stupid president and I'm usually confused as to why he is often called a 'bad president'. He was a president for 8 years in my young life and he is the only President that I was totally aware of, Clinton didn't count since he was president when I was just in Preschool/Elementary.
He said numerous times there were evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, which they didn't.
 Post #44
 21st March 2010
Earthen's Avatar
February 2008
810 Posts
Putin isn't really reviled by russians, but neither is communism. People don't really love putin, but they like the stability he brought after the hell in the 90s. Communism is still popular, the communist party is the second largest, but most people aren't looking for revolution, they want stability.

Still, russia has a number of problems that, in the future, could easily turn people to communism again. In many ways modern russia reminds me of the medieval byzantine empire, its a tiny shadow of what it once was, in all aspects.
12% still isn't very much... Nationalism is much more likely to rise up in Russia because of people's want for former "glory" (if you can call it that) and stability.
 Post #45
 21st March 2010
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September 2009
3,367 Posts
I suggest you begin by studying what's nearest from you, Central/South America and the Caribbean. Honduras just went through a coup 'd etat, it's legality is still debated, and as of right now, Honduras is expelled from a wide amount of associations and groups. Nicaragua, Venezuela and Bolivia are leading a supposed "Socialism of the 21st Century" movement, which is in reality communism in disguise, a war almost broke out between Colombia and Venezuela, and aside from that, Chile had presidential elections after having one of the most stable governments of the continent, and is now facing the destruction caused by the 8.8 earthquake.
I almost forgot to mention that a few members of some U.S. Consulate in Mexico were murdered along with a few of the family members that were traveling with them. It irks me on how we're fighting a bunch of terrorists on the other side of the hemisphere and yet we have Drug Cartels with the same capabilities that are stationed right below us.
 Post #46
 21st March 2010
Dennab
August 2008
5,653 Posts
Not if we (the public) can help it
just encrypt your Utorrent/bittorrent client traffic, simple, and stops them knowing how many linux distros you download.
 Post #47
 21st March 2010
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July 2008
5,187 Posts
He said numerous times there were evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, which they didn't.
They had chemical weapons.

Though he severely exaggerated and overestimated the potency of them.
 Post #48
 21st March 2010 Last edited by MachiniOs; 21st March 2010 at 06:29PM..
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September 2008
7,555 Posts
-Now this is not inspired by my huge dose of Video Games, but I certainly do believe that Vladimir Putin is doing well on getting Russia on it's knees after the Fall of Communism, I'm still confused as to why Putin is reviled by a number of Russians (Maybe I'm missing out on something?). I most certainly doubt that many of the Russians want to revert back to Communism, but the fact that it has about 20,000+ (#?) Nuclear Weapons in store still gives me some shivers when I really think about it.

Okay so I just stated my basic opinions on some of the most relevant political stuff. Am I fully aware about what's going on? Or am I an ignorant, American Slave that has been indoctrinated subconsciously as I watch TV?
Putin is Ex-KGB, that's why some aren't keen on him, and this isn't Fallout. Nukes to completely destroy areas is impossible unless we all have relplivas of the Tsar Bomba.

(Imformation correct at time of press (04 Jul 09))
 Post #49
 21st March 2010
Dennab
December 2009
4,632 Posts
president bush...
he took iraq like this

and turned it to this
 Post #50
 21st March 2010
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March 2010
702 Posts
Putin is Ex-KGB, that's why some aren't keen on him, and this isn't Fallout. Nukes to completely destroy areas is impossible unless we all have relplivas of the Tsar Bomba.

(Imformation correct at time of press (04 Jul 09))
And it was said that in 1945, we had enough to destroy the earth more than 4 times.

Aye caramba.
 Post #51
 21st March 2010
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July 2008
5,187 Posts
I don't understand.

You say Bush wasn't "bad." Then you list some wholly awful things about him.
 Post #52
 21st March 2010
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Dennab
February 2006
7,106 Posts
12% still isn't very much... Nationalism is much more likely to rise up in Russia because of people's want for former "glory" (if you can call it that) and stability.
Neither is 37 percent. Regardless I don't have much faith in russia's pretender of a duma and I wouldn't be surprised if it was manipulated (the oligarchs run everything else, anyway).

Russian nationalism will only last as long as the west bullies Russia and capitalism doesn't take a big shit all over the russian working class. As soon as capitalism has a crisis, people won't be looking towards the russian nationalists who presided over it and helped cause it. Russian communists are the only real, non-opportunist alternative to plutocratic, careerist parties such as united russia.
 Post #53
 21st March 2010
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January 2010
105 Posts
First of all, I personally believe that your view on Obama vs. McCain is more or less completely wrong. McCain had his problems, however he had some serous shit to make up for that Ex. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...n-account.html he refused to leave until the other P.O.W.s were freed. He also had significant amounts of experience in gov't. Obama on the other hand had only 140 something days in office as a senator, thus having basically no experience. Another this to address all the posts above this one regarding the amount of nukes it would take to destroy humankind, we have sufficient nuclear material to fuck up the planet bad enough to kill most of us and ruin life for the rest of us.
 Post #54
 21st March 2010
Dennab
November 2009
3,304 Posts
Putin is Ex-KGB, that's why some aren't keen on him, and this isn't Fallout. Nukes to completely destroy areas is impossible unless we all have relplivas of the Tsar Bomba.

(Imformation correct at time of press (04 Jul 09))
The thing about nukes though isn't that you have to kill everyone with the blast, the effect on the area from the nukes are far more deadly than the blast.

A nuke in the city-core would render the city inhospitable, the water supply would become radiated, and the fallout that would be swept away with the wind would cover even larger distances.

Nukes won't kill humanity, it will kill nature.
 Post #55
 21st March 2010
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February 2008
810 Posts
Neither is 37 percent. Regardless I don't have much faith in russia's pretender of a duma and I wouldn't be surprised if it was manipulated (the oligarchs run everything else, anyway).

Russian nationalism will only last as long as the west bullies Russia and capitalism doesn't take a big shit all over the russian working class. As soon as capitalism has a crisis, people won't be looking towards the russian nationalists who presided over it and helped cause it. Russian communists are the only real, non-opportunist alternative to plutocratic, careerist parties such as united russia.
Well I agree with the oligarchy thing, Russia is one corrupt shithole...

I'm sorry the "west bullies russia?"?!?

Capitalism has had numerous crises, and look how they turned out, just more economic growth and quality of life growth... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression

If I remember correctly Gustav Stressemann brought Germany back from the ridiculous reparation costs and fixed the economy through capitalism.

People will turn to nationalism, they turned to communism, its nationalism's turn now and it will be horrible.

also, maybe you should've read about the liberal party of Russia, just because people know and understand that communist economic theory doesn't work and that communism is bullshit doesn't mean they're greedy bastards
 Post #56
 21st March 2010
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Dennab
February 2006
7,106 Posts
I'm sorry the "west bullies russia?"?!?
The west tries to repress russia's resurgence by expanding NATO into its sphere of influence and pushing it into a corner.

Capitalism has had numerous crises, and look how they turned out, just more economic growth and quality of life growth... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression
American living standards only rose after it became the leading capitalist superpower, the great depression has nothing to do with it. If anything, it just shows that capitalism needs war to survive.

If I remember correctly Gustav Stressemann brought Germany back from the ridiculous reparation costs and fixed the economy through capitalism.
yea by piggybacking the US's economic explosion (though that's not really fixing german economy, that's putting it into a position neo-colonies were in). germany fell back into economic crisis once more with the great depression. also it was still paying huge amounts of reparations after his administration.

People will turn to nationalism, they turned to communism, its nationalism's turn now and it will be horrible.
you're repeating yourself and you're flying in the face of reality. there are no 'turns' for ideologies, there are only reasons for its power. and i already explained the reason for russian nationalism's prevalence.

also, maybe you should've read about the liberal party of Russia, just because people know and understand that communist economic theory doesn't work and that communism is bullshit doesn't mean they're greedy bastards
strawman. i never said anything about communist economic theory or how you're a greedy bastard for not believing in it.

also dude...russia's liberal democratic party is farther to the right then united russia. FYI that's a big accomplishment
 Post #57
 21st March 2010
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Dennab
April 2008
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American living standards only rose after it became the leading capitalist superpower, the great depression has nothing to do with it. If anything, it just shows that capitalism needs war to survive.
Like in Dubai.
 Post #58
 21st March 2010
Dennab
July 2008
1,529 Posts
The only thing I liked about Bush was that he was a hardcore, take no shit from nobody guy.
 Post #59
 21st March 2010
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July 2009
389 Posts
Bush had more boxforts then Facepunch combined.
 Post #60
 21st March 2010
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Dennab
February 2006
7,106 Posts
Like in Dubai.
oh yea, exploiting construction contracts for laborers. fuck yea
 Post #61
 21st March 2010
blocking google ads so I don't get a virus
Dennab
July 2007
19,413 Posts
Bush couldn't stop that you retard, and after that happened there hasn't been a terrorist attack since then in the United States.
"Osama Bin Laden determined to attack within US" was the title of a memo he received prior to the attack. And that's just the title, imagine all the crazy intel he'd get had someone actually read it.
 Post #62
 21st March 2010
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Dennab
April 2008
4,906 Posts
oh yea, exploiting construction contracts for laborers. fuck yea
Well it ain't war.
 Post #63
 22nd March 2010
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Dennab
February 2006
7,106 Posts
Well it ain't war.
not much better i guess, but you're right.

though i guess we could say the richer people there benefit from war indirectly
 Post #64
 22nd March 2010
Hellghast's Avatar
July 2007
351 Posts
Russia basically is being a dick right now.
Using their own company Gazprom they're nationalizing fucking everything in terms of Oil. Yet BP and Shell still want some after getting fucked in the ass. It's been compared to a rape victim thanking his rapist for not being so rough, and then going into buisness with him. The Georgia ordeal is just Russia testing the bars on its cage.
 Post #65
 22nd March 2010
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February 2007
957 Posts
hmm... its almost as if wars aren't the most important parts of american history
They oughta be. World War Two is what put us on the map and the results basically dictated American foreign policy until the collapse of the Soviet Union...
 Post #66
 22nd March 2010
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February 2008
810 Posts
The west tries to repress russia's resurgence by expanding NATO into its sphere of influence and pushing it into a corner.



American living standards only rose after it became the leading capitalist superpower, the great depression has nothing to do with it. If anything, it just shows that capitalism needs war to survive.



yea by piggybacking the US's economic explosion (though that's not really fixing german economy, that's putting it into a position neo-colonies were in). germany fell back into economic crisis once more with the great depression. also it was still paying huge amounts of reparations after his administration.



you're repeating yourself and you're flying in the face of reality. there are no 'turns' for ideologies, there are only reasons for its power. and i already explained the reason for russian nationalism's prevalence.



strawman. i never said anything about communist economic theory or how you're a greedy bastard for not believing in it.

also dude...russia's liberal democratic party is farther to the right then united russia. FYI that's a big accomplishment
American living standards rose because of economic development, the more money is pumped into circulation (not inflation), the more jobs there are, thus there is more money for everyone. That is a very simple explanation but whatever. The only reason NATO is doing that is to protect Europe from Russia's resurgence in neo-imperialism. Yeah thats biased as hell, but seriously they're just testing the boundaries, especially when the overreacted to Georgia's invasion of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. I'd rather we have NATO in europe than Russia getting too much power. Russia has never and will never understand democracy, how to treat people and "freedom". Just look at Russia's history... Autocracy of the Tsars, Autocracy of the Soviet Union, Oligarchy of the Russian Federation. It will never change, and that is my greatest worry concerning Russia.

It still brought the economy back right? You're forgetting that he managed to get the Locarno Treaties signed and the Kellog-Brandt pact signed. Two major treaties that helped bring back Germany's economy. While Stressemann may have piggybacked the economic explosion, it certainly helped Germany, giving a higher quality of life and so on. That is why it wasn't a neo-colony.

There are turns for ideology, what i'm saying is that Both world wars have been started largely by nationalism and many young men with nothing to do. Just look at Europe, there is intense nationalism everywhere (or at least growing). Look at Front Nationale in France they have 20% of the vote, A neo-nazi presidential candidate in Austria, young Russians turning to nationalist ideas, the list goes on.

Sorry i didn't check about the liberal party i just assumed, anyway fair-russia is more what i was talking about.

You said that communism is non-careerist and so on. That may be true, but its not true to human nature, people are never going to be all about non-profit and for the good of everyone. Every person wants personal gain above all whether they care to admit it or not. Collectivization didn't work because of just that. People want different things and people do things differently. Some are lazy, some are hard working... some want money, some want other things.
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