1. Post #201
    junker|154's Avatar
    August 2010
    6,943 Posts
    I do not want to get into manga, nor do I have and interest in it. I just like some themes that are being discussed in different mangas.
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  2. Post #202
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    GURREN LAGANN's Avatar
    December 2011
    830 Posts
    huge generalization. I tend to read reviews on anime before I watch
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  3. Post #203
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    Dennab
    August 2011
    8,076 Posts
    Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.
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  4. Post #204
    Jabberwocky's Avatar
    June 2007
    2,756 Posts
    I bought a few manga books/comics a while ago. A friend always wanted to watch some animes with me. They were pretty mediocre.

    Also I went to a special Manga store, I picked up the most promising sounding books, they were pretty meh to me.
    I suppose you don't remember their titles then.

    Edited:

    Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.
    And then you watch episode 4 of Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
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  5. Post #205
    Kellerbewohner's Avatar
    October 2011
    40 Posts
    Oh no, I read them. They just don't make any sense and aren't grounded in reality.
    You did not understand the fact that reality is just a consense out of the allabout subjective
    opinions and neither can be called objective, only as objective as possible. But
    still it is just hegemony of such opinion to be broken.
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  6. Post #206
    Jim Harbaugh's Avatar
    January 2012
    42 Posts
    Sorry to say, but that shit sucks
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  7. Post #207
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    April 2009
    3,508 Posts
    I think it has a lot to do with the combination of general "cheesiness" associated with foreign entertainment, bad translation, and unfitting culture trends. To an American, what we see in most Anime can be described as immature and sort of ridiculous, while in Japan, their views and intentions are probably much more playful and, well, ridiculous. No matter what anime I watch, I always have a sense of awkwardness while watching it. Even Cowboy Bebop and selected Miyazaki films make me feel this way.
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  8. Post #208
    Jim Harbaugh's Avatar
    January 2012
    42 Posts
    I think it has a lot to do with the combination of general "cheesiness" associated with foreign entertainment, bad translation, and unfitting culture trends. To an American, what we see in most Anime can be described as immature and sort of ridiculous, while in Japan, their views and intentions are probably much more playful and, well, ridiculous. No matter what anime I watch, I always have a sense of awkwardness while watching it. Even Cowboy Bebop and selected Miyazaki films make me feel this way.
    In short, that shit is not righteous
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  9. Post #209
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    Captain Chalky's Avatar
    September 2010
    7,947 Posts
    People dislike anime because it's everywhere and you can't do anything about it. Ignoring it is not an option; you cannot escape. It's always there, no matter where you go.
    People dislike most of the other things such as bronies, Justin Bieber and the-newest-fad-of-that-time for the exact same reason.
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  10. Post #210
    J. Jett's Avatar
    October 2010
    834 Posts
    People dislike anime because it's everywhere and you can't do anything about it. Ignoring it is not an option; you cannot escape. It's always there, no matter where you go.
    People dislike most of the other things such as bronies, Justin Bieber and the-newest-fad-of-that-time for the exact same reason.
    So maybe people should dislike all movies and music because it's everywhere?
    Anime isn't a fad, there are a lot of different series from a lot of different genres. A certain anime might be a fad, but anime as a whole? Not really.
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  11. Post #211
    ARERARAGI <3
    Jammymanrock's Avatar
    July 2007
    399 Posts
    Whenever I see these I always see people mentioning the old classics. But there's plenty of good things this season or the last season which nobody seems to talk about. Like Steins;Gate, or Nisemonogatari, Usagi Drop, Persona 4 animation, Madoka Magica etc and plenty of other things I haven't mentioned. There's lots of good anime being made now, as well as lots of bad ones.
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  12. Post #212
    J. Jett's Avatar
    October 2010
    834 Posts
    Whenever I see these I always see people mentioning the old classics. But there's plenty of good things this season or the last season which nobody seems to talk about. Like Steins;Gate, or Nisemonogatari, Usagi Drop, Persona 4 animation, Madoka Magica etc and plenty of other things I haven't mentioned. There's lots of good anime being made now, as well as lots of bad ones.
    This.
    Many people who dislike anime tend to say that recent anime is shit and how it all used to be good many years ago.
    There was plenty of shit anime back then which is forgotten, and the only ones people are mentioning are the best ones. Just like today - there's plenty of shit anime, with good memorable ones too.
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  13. Post #213
    aurum481's Avatar
    November 2008
    2,467 Posts
    I recently picked Gurren Lagann and after watching it I was sad that it was a short saga. Now I hear that Death Note is good.
    I somehow look at anime in a generalized way since most animes try to "sell" themselves with fanservice characters, mostly giant-boobed females that behave too freely (read: like whores). Most likely that rule applies to Yoko from Gurren Lagann but her character was kinda developed and not left as a silly girl.
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  14. Post #214
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    August 2006
    5,960 Posts
    I dislike anime because most seem to rely a lot on sex appeal, either in the form of the obvious or the "someone is jerking it to this somewhere". That and there's a really stupid formula they all seem to follow.

    Why is it a staple for anime to have every female in existence have huge tits/paper thin waist/other ridiculous features? What purpose does it serve, at all? I mean, I appreciate the female form as much as the next guy, but I watch TV shows/movies/whatever for entertainment. If I want big tits I'll find porn.

    And not only that, but almost always the main character (if its a guy) is socially awkward to the point of stupidity, and yet every human being without dangly parts in a 4 mile radius practically throws themselves at them. Its like the whole "EVERY WOMEN IS A WHORE AND EVERY MAN IS SUBMISSIVE AND AWKWARD" is basically Japan's entire culture.

    Sure there are anime that don't fit the mold completely, but it seems 8/10 times it does. For example: NGE. The plot and premise to the show was really really good, but it was ruined by the fact that they made 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN into WHORES. The sexual humor is just so god awful it ruins the entire fucking series.
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  15. Post #215
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    Zezibesh's Avatar
    May 2008
    18,981 Posts
    I recently picked Gurren Lagann and after watching it I was sad that it was a short saga. Now I hear that Death Note is good.
    I somehow look at anime in a generalized way since most animes try to "sell" themselves with fanservice characters, mostly giant-boobed females that behave too freely (read: like whores). Most likely that rule applies to Yoko from Gurren Lagann but her character was kinda developed and not left as a silly girl.
    You have to realize that TTGL is satire and makes fun of super robot anime
    It's of course a legitimately good show on its own but that explains a lot

    Edited:

    blah

    Sure there are anime that don't fit the mold completely, but it seems 8/10 times it does.
    You've only been watching harem shows or slice of life
    For example: NGE. The plot and premise to the show was really really good, but it was ruined by the fact that they made 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN into WHORES. The sexual humor is just so god awful it ruins the entire fucking series.
    hahaha what
    I'm not gonna go into plot details here because spoilers but there is a legitimate reason Asuka acts like she does (and she doesn't act like a whore).
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  16. Post #216
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    What general dislike? A bunch of Americans who can't deal with stuff outside their own culture cry over anime, and sadly they're a pretty vocal minority here on Facepunch.
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  17. Post #217
    Dr. Evilcop's Avatar
    May 2011
    3,006 Posts
    Where can I watch the English dub of Death Note? Hulu only has subbed as far as I saw.
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  18. Post #218
    Bleach Qeef's Avatar
    June 2007
    1,676 Posts
    The only anime I've ever enjoyed would have to be Cowboy Bebop.
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  19. Post #219
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    August 2006
    5,960 Posts
    hahaha what
    I'm not gonna go into plot details here because spoilers but there is a legitimate reason Asuka acts like she does (and she doesn't act like a whore).
    I know the details you are thinking of, and no, it doesn't justify it. And she most certainly acts like a whore, or at least someone who doesn't understand the concept of decency what so ever. Everyone in that series acts amazingly stupid toward anything sexual. Its either exaggerated to the point of ridiculousness, or in the case of Shinji, "FEMALE WHAT DO".
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  20. Post #220
    AeroSinthetic's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,520 Posts
    The only anime I hate is any anime that consists of people staring at each other the entire time.
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  21. Post #221
    GetOutOfBox's Avatar
    April 2009
    847 Posts
    I can completely understand the general attitude of dislike towards anime, as there are tons of shows of which only a few are really well done. Anime, like most animated types of shows, tends to have a sillier tone to it, sometimes clashing with the desired atmosphere of the show.

    Probably the worst aspect for me is the ear-rape voices in the original version of a lot of anime shows, especially coming from female characters.
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  22. Post #222
    I HAVE A TOASTER FETISH
    mopman999's Avatar
    July 2009
    3,974 Posts
    I don't dislike it for the content really, I am not picky when it comes to shows/movies. One big thing I hate is how every one that loves it thinks they know everything about japan, or at least in my encounters that is is what I have found. Another thing is how some people pick up on that shit and try to act like the characters, they try to act cute or over react to random things.

    The biggest thing is the freaking hentai though, I will not say any more about it
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  23. Post #223
    taste the salty dong
    Remscar's Avatar
    September 2009
    1,822 Posts
    I think japanese people can be weird as fuck. First of all, their porn is all censored. But then they are into stuff like vomit porn, different fetish's, tentacle rape, and the worst, incest.
    I like anime, but only some. A lot of anime are weird as fuck imo. But then again, different culture, different norms.

    Ones that I enjoy are:
    Cowboy Bebop
    Hellsing
    Code Geass
    Death Note
    Soul Eater
    Elfen Lied (Besides how his cousin wanted to be with him)
    Full Metal Panic
    Fooly Cooly (furi kuri)
    Melancholy of Haruhi

    There are also a number of ones i dont like.
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  24. Post #224
    1337M347's Avatar
    April 2011
    612 Posts
    Whenever somebody brings up anime, they always refer to the shitty ones they saw on adult swim or something.

    My favorite was Cowboy Bebop, Afro Samurai (it's over-sexual at points, but its Wu Tang meets anime) and Samurai Champloo.
    Dunno why nobody talks about Samurai Champloo though (it's pretty friggen great and made by the same people who made Cowboy Bebop.)
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  25. Post #225
    Mattk50's Avatar
    April 2010
    4,417 Posts
    But see K-ON and you'll probably understand why we all dislike anime. It's like the most retarded thing ever, I watched it for 2 minutes before giving up
    thats like disliking all live shows for jersey shore, i hope you realize.
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  26. Post #226
    imasillypiggy's Avatar
    December 2009
    8,851 Posts
    This is compounded by recent anime catering to very specific niches
    This is why I don't like most modern anime. Sadly the niche that most anime are trying to get too these days isn't the one i'm in so I can find rarely find an anime for me. This year the only anime I found that I truly loved was kaiji. These days It feels like I see the cast of haruhi suzumiya re-branded a million times.

    Edited:

    This.
    Many people who dislike anime tend to say that recent anime is shit and how it all used to be good many years ago.
    Well anime in the past tended to have more appeal to western audiences without having to appeal to a niche group. I like anime but its a pretty unoriginal medium with trends effecting it more then most medium. For someone who isn't already into the current trend of anime you can only look back to find something for you.

    Edited:

    Where can I watch the English dub of Death Note? Hulu only has subbed as far as I saw.
    Its on netflix and if you just google it you could find steams of it.

    Edited:

    Dunno why nobody talks about Samurai Champloo though (it's pretty friggen great and made by the same people who made Cowboy Bebop.)
    I hear it wasn't popular in japan. I think it was truly great and maybe the fact that it wasn't apart of the current norm might be the reason it wasn't so popular.
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  27. Post #227
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    October 2007
    3,704 Posts
    I think it's a shame that the work of some talented artists and writers is ignored because of their cultural upbringing. There are some real gems amongst all the crap but a lot of people are too narrow minded to bother looking for them.
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  28. Post #228
    Governor Goblin's Avatar
    December 2011
    2,782 Posts
    Anime overall is a very broad genre. It's like generalising a particular form of art style, like Dada or something of the sort. You cant' say all of its bad unless you generally don't like it, in which case it's your taste. However anime is massive in Japan, it's a lot like video games. Not everyone likes them, and when people do like it, they can get obsessive and annoying over it. And the actual games themselves are a 50/50. You have the worse games imaginable, then you have these beautifully constructed pieces of art that should be shown for years to come for what is the right thing to do with this style.

    Same thing with Anime. You have the wonderfully and beautifully done Serial Experiments Lain, a surrealist sci-fi anime. Or Ghost in the Shell, a heavily political and philosophical anime that poses some mind-blowing theories and concepts about humanities connection to the net and its social sciences. (I can go on with examples but whatever)

    Then you have lucky star, which is a horrendously obtuse constant array of shit that makes me want to murder a child, or the NUMEROUS animes which are basically fanservice shows filled with big tits and more big tits.

    Edited:

    and some more big tits

    Edited:

    also, to answer the thread title, it is highly unwarranted. Just like the media's hatred of video games is unwarranted. Not to deny their are issues in either group, but they're so massive, it's difficult to point out and generalise.
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  29. Post #229
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    Zezibesh's Avatar
    May 2008
    18,981 Posts
    Anime isn't a genre, though
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  30. Post #230
    Governor Goblin's Avatar
    December 2011
    2,782 Posts
    Anime isn't a genre, though
    It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.
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  31. Post #231
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    Crimor's Avatar
    June 2008
    10,810 Posts
    It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.
    just like "movies" or "music"
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  32. Post #232
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    December 2007
    12,928 Posts
    Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.
    To be honest, I don't think comparing cartoons to anime goes very well, due to the market size and saturation.

    As far as cartoon is concerned you tend to only have a relatively small number of shows that are not directed at small children (bob the builder and stuff like that).
    Anime on the other hand tends to saturate, even over saturate the market similar like B-movies do in the west.

    Thanks to this, it's easier to find a good western cartoon than it it is to find a decent anime. There's a whole lot less of crap surrounding the good pieces.
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  33. Post #233
    Governor Goblin's Avatar
    December 2011
    2,782 Posts
    just like "movies" or "music"
    in a way, it's exactly on that level. It's so broad, what with pictures, music, movies, television, mangas etc.

    Edited:

    To be honest, I don't think comparing cartoons to anime goes very well, due to the market size and saturation.

    As far as cartoon is concerned you tend to only have a relatively small number of shows that are not directed at small children (bob the builder and stuff like that).
    Anime on the other hand tends to saturate, even over saturate the market similar like B-movies do in the west.

    Thanks to this, it's easier to find a good western cartoon than it it is to find a decent anime. There's a whole lot less of crap surrounding the good pieces.
    it's like when I try to find good films to watch. So much shit, but eventually you'll find a masterpiece.
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  34. Post #234
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
    Megafan's Avatar
    September 2008
    14,608 Posts
    It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.
    A specific art style that can take hold of various art styles.

    That is to say, not a specific art style at all. Where did you get that idea?
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  35. Post #235
    IT WAS ONLY $1 SO WHY NOT BUY A TITLE?
    Tukimoshi's Avatar
    March 2007
    3,102 Posts
    Anime is a form of media so the general dislike of Anime is completely unwarranted. That's like saying
    "Oh man, I hate Television." Sure, some people do but it's still illogical. Some anime is better than others, just like TV.

    I'd rather watch Top Gear than Jersey Shore, but I don't think all TV is bad just because of Jersey Shore.

    Also, some of the fans give Anime a bad name, what with Narutards, Weeaboos, and eccentric moe fans being retarded.

    Dictionary:
    Narutard: Someone who takes their obsession of Naruto too far. Can be seen wearing headbands, making handsigns, and saying BELIEVE IT all the time.
    Weeaboo: A non-asian who does everything possible to embrace the asian culture. This often involves learning Japanese (Usually very poorly. See: Wapanese), buying anime dolls, and talking about their Waifu.
    Wapanese: The very broken attempts of a Weeaboo to speak Japanese. Some example phrases consist of "SHE IS SO KAWAII~" and "(INSERT SENTENCE) DESU!"
    Kawaii: Means cute. Weeaboos tend to abuse this word along with Desu.
    Waifu: Some people have taken their obsession so far that they have coined a term for their "Anime Wife". These are generally anime characters that the person reveres to the point of pretending that the character is their Wife and calling them their "Waifu".

    Cowboy Bebop is a fantastic anime though and it's a shame that there's such a stigma surrounding anime. Some anime can be intelligent.

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  36. Post #236
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    July 2009
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    IIRC Weeaboo was originally a word filter on 4chan for Wapanese because moot didn't like people insulting the anime fandom.
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  37. Post #237
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    Zezibesh's Avatar
    May 2008
    18,981 Posts
    And the word comes from a Perry Bible Fellowship comic where it means literally nothing
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  38. Post #238
    provides mlp plot free of charge
    Oicani Gonzales's Avatar
    February 2011
    17,785 Posts
    Cowboy Bebop is a fantastic anime though and it's a shame that there's such a stigma surrounding anime. Some anime can be intelligent.

    Cowboy Bebop has been mentioned so many times on this thread anyone that ignores it over the typical anime stereotype is just stupid. It really is great
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  39. Post #239
    IT WAS ONLY $1 SO WHY NOT BUY A TITLE?
    Tukimoshi's Avatar
    March 2007
    3,102 Posts
    Cowboy Bebop has been mentioned so many times on this thread anyone that ignores it over the typical anime stereotype is just stupid. It really is great
    Yeah. I specifically chose that scene because it shows that not everyone is a crazy ninja samurai wielding magical powers who doesn't know how to use common sense but somehow automatically makes friends with everyone.

    Anime can be intelligent. Characters can have deep realistic personalities and there can be character dynamics. Just because something is animated doesn't mean it's automatically for children. After all, anime is made by adults so why can't adults make anime for adults? Oh wait, they can.
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  40. Post #240
    J. Jett's Avatar
    October 2010
    834 Posts
    People keep mentioning Cowboy Bebop (I still have to watch it though), but people always seem to be overlooking Monster. I haven't seen anyone mention this one. It's one of the best in my opinion and should be up in the top with the other ones mentioned here.
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