[SCopE5000]

NoDachi posted:

Ships? I see a few shuttles and noob ships.

The rest are faction mods.

Only the green stuff at the bottom of the killmail was dropped, the rest was lost.

[NoDachi]

OH yeah

[MightyMax]

SCopE5000 posted:

Only the green stuff at the bottom of the killmail was dropped, the rest was lost.

jesus christ thats a terrible loss.

[Kommodore]

As always, people who lose a haul like that have it coming. I'll bet moving it all in financially replaceable segments looks a lot better now than it did to begin with. If his cyno had bounced him off station or if he'd been set up I would understand, but all the comments point to the pilot having been an idiot.

It annoys me that people that well off can be that insensitive to risk.

[luishi5000]

I made a thread on the forums. This picture is a summery of it.

[CantTouchDis]

Just as long as it has that pretty little line in the navigation system I'm okay with it.

Having a line like that showing the ship's trajectory or projected trajectory would be awesome for orbiting and stuff, too.

[haloguy234]

luishi5000 posted:

I made a thread on the forums. This picture is a summery of it.

I edited the first image so it has a more accurate representation of navigation.

[Bulaba0]

While we're on the topic of changing EVE, I posted my sov change thing to Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments...llsec_warfare/

Discussion there and here would be much appreciated. :)

[_Kent_]

luishi5000 posted:

I made a thread on the forums. This picture is a summery of it.

It would also be nice if large objects blocked incoming fire, so you could use them for cover.
Edit:
Why would this be such a bad thing if the new pathfinding was implemented?
It would open up a lot more opportunities for tactics.

[Kommodore]

By nice you must mean asspain.


On the subject of wishful thinking, I think if you buy a PLEX ingame at current prices, a CCP employee of your choice should get sent around the world to electrocute the balls of people you don't like.

[Forumaster]

_Kent_ posted:

It would also be nice if large objects blocked incoming fire, so you could use them for cover.
Edit:
Why would this be such a bad thing if the new pathfinding was implemented?
It would open up a lot more opportunities for tactics.

This (objects for cover) should only be implemented if we gain full navigational control over our ship, instead of point and click and letting EVE fly us.

[littlefoot]

Forumaster posted:

This (objects for cover) should only be implemented if we gain full navigational control over our ship, instead of point and click and letting EVE fly us.

Someone from this thread already said how controlling a ship with a massive crew with WASD would make no sense at all.
Which is an excuse but one that fits. Maybe a more intuitive way of moving your ship about that still involves pointing and clicking but isn't twitchy or anything.

I don't know, what I'm saying contradicts what I want ( flying a Rifter like I would a jet ).

[kenji]

I'd love some better navigation control over better pathing around objects.

[luishi5000]

If you guys like the navigation idea, can you please comment on it in the forums so it gets some attention. Thank you!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99692

[_Kent_]

This is going to sound stupid, but where is the post button on the eve forums?

[Sgt-NiallR]

The orange reply button at the top/bottom

[Bulaba0]

Uh oh, CCP is fucking with things again.

Hello folks,

As mentioned in the ship balancing Dev Blog, Inferno will be the starting point for a much needed ship overhaul. This post is to discuss planned changes for frigates before we move forward with Singularity testing.


We want to start with Tech 1 frigates, then move our way up as time passes, which means:

There will be no skill change for Inferno. Your destroyer and battlecruiser skills are safe for now
Battlecruisers will have to wait until we have rebalanced frigates and destroyers to have something clean to compare them with


Plans for the frigate class (remember all of this is still WIP for the time being):

Split and re-purpose frigates into Combat, Attack, Bombardment and Support roles (includes revamping mining frigates into this)
Have a look at Rookie frigates to make them more versatile but less efficient than revamped frigates
On the power ladder, tech 1 frigates should be less effective than faction / tech 2, but more forgiving and flexible with their fittings


In this topic we will focus on Combat frigate rebalancing, which affects:

Tormentor: role changed from mining frigate to medium range combat vessel
Punisher: improved role to fit close-medium range brawler
Merlin: overhauled role to fit medium-long range turret platform
Incursus: overhauld role to fit close range brawler
Rifter: role untouched, it already is made of win and dipped with awesomesauce



Exact changes below (without skills):

TORMENTOR:

New bonuses: 10% to small energy turret range and 10% bonus to small energy capacitor use per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 4 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
Fittings: 60 PWG, 140 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350 / 450 / 400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 280 / 180 s / 1.55
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 / 3.05 / 1180000 / 3.37 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km / 620 / 4
Sensor strength: 9 Radar
Signature radius: 35


PUNISHER:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage and 5% bonus to armor resistances per skill level
Slot layout: 4 H, 2 M, 4 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
Fittings: 55 PWG, 124 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350 / 500 / 450
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 300 / 180 s / 1.66
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 330 / 3.35 / 1047000 / 3.28 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 25km / 640 / 4
Sensor strength: 9 Radar
Signature radius: 37


MERLIN:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% to small hybrid turret range per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
Fittings: 40 PWG, 180 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500 / 350 / 350
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 260 / 180 s / 1.44
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 / 3.7 / 997000 / 3.45 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 580 / 5
Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 39


INCURSUS:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 4 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
Fittings: 45 PWG, 135 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 400 / 450 / 500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 280 / 180 s / 1.55
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 340 / 3.15 / 1028000 / 3.0 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km / 600 / 4
Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 42


RIFTER:

Unchanged bonuses
Unchanged Slot layout: 4 H, 3 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, 2 launchers
Unchanged fittings: 37 PWG, 125 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 450 / 400 / 400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 240 / 180 s / 1.33
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 355 / 3.19 / 1067000 / 3.19 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 22.5km / 660 / 4
Sensor strength: 8 Ladar
Signature radius: 35

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99842

Edited:

Oh lord, they're fucking with rigs as well.

We would like to discuss possible changes to Armor / Shield rigs for Inferno.

It would be the first of many steps to rebalance active versus passive tanking, and promote usefulness of active tanking in small, mobile combat while making associated rigs more compatible with Gallente armor repairing bonuses. In general, we want races that need to use speed in combat (Gallente and Minmatar) to favor active tanking, while races that have more a static philosophy (Amarr and Caldari) prefer passive tanking.

Any kind of armor / shield rig that promotes passive tanking would now have a penalty to ship velocity instead of signature radius. Any kind of armor / shield rig that promotes active tanking would now have a penalty to ship signature radius instead of velocity. Penalty amount themselves are not changing.


Rig list:


Passive rigs: any kind of resistance, HP gain, shield recharge rate, shield powergrid reduction rig
Active rigs: any kind of repair / boost amount, repair / boost capacitor reduction, repair / boost cycle rate or remote repair / boost rig

Edited:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99872

[MightyMax]

Bulaba0 posted:

Uh oh, CCP is fucking with things again.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99842

Edited:

Oh lord, they're fucking with rigs as well.



Edited:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99872

jesus christ passive ships are slow enough.

[Forumaster]

littlefoot posted:

Someone from this thread already said how controlling a ship with a massive crew with WASD would make no sense at all.
Which is an excuse but one that fits. Maybe a more intuitive way of moving your ship about that still involves pointing and clicking but isn't twitchy or anything.

I don't know, what I'm saying contradicts what I want ( flying a Rifter like I would a jet ).

Oh no, definitely could not fly with WASDQE. I was thinking that if we got full control it would be reminiscent of Freelancer's mouse flight mode.

Edited:

Bulaba0 posted:

Uh oh, CCP is fucking with things again.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99842

Edited:

Oh lord, they're fucking with rigs as well.



Edited:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99872

Get your hands off my Merlin, you damn dirty apes.

[luishi5000]

As for the right, it was just a high end idea. They just wanted to see the feedback, which was negative, and are almost certainly not going to do it.

Another example picture:



https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99692

[Wingedwizard]

Forumaster posted:

Get your hands off my Merlin, you damn dirty apes.

Less tank more gank it seems.

Its faster, +5 pg/cpu, 20km more locking range, Less EHP, +1 low, -2 Launcher, +1 Gun

Edited:

I'm going to miss how tanky it was though.

[MightyMax]

"INCURSUS:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level"

Do they not realize how useless that bonus is? Especially on a frigate?!

[DarkMonkey]

as someone else said

In general, we want races that need to use speed in combat (Gallente and Minmatar) to favor active tanking, while races that have more a static philosophy (Amarr and Caldari) prefer passive tanking.

"In general, we want races that need to use cap-intensive speed mods in combat to favor cap-intensive tanking mods"

[Wingedwizard]

MightyMax posted:

"INCURSUS:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level"

Do they not realize how useless that bonus is? Especially on a frigate?!

Max. Fuck, my Ishkur has two reps. Its a solo boat. Id love to fly the new Incursus. Falloff bonus was nigh useless anyway.

And it has +2 lows, better pg and cpu too.

[CantTouchDis]

MightyMax posted:

"INCURSUS:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level"

Do they not realize how useless that bonus is? Especially on a frigate?!

HAHA

what

do you not fly frigates or something

[Wingedwizard]

CantTouchDis posted:

HAHA

what

do you not fly frigates or something

He flies big ships for big boys. Bigger the better, etc, etc...

[benzinxrm]

Any kind of armor / shield rig that promotes passive tanking would now have a penalty to ship velocity instead of signature radius

So does this mean the armor cane becomes so retardedly slow it becomes useless on the field?

[Wingedwizard]

benzinxrm posted:

So does this mean the armor cane becomes so retardedly slow it becomes useless on the field?

Haven't armor rigs already penalized velocity? Because my quad plate, 3 trimark domi may as well be static.

I think this only effects Shield extender rigs. While nanobot accelerators hit the sig radius.

[Ereunity]

If they added a Homeworld 1 style 3 dimension movement system I would be in fucking love with this game.

[Forumaster]

Apparently I immortalized myself in EVE:

Commander Kennedy > Ok guys, thoughts. My girlfriend and I like to breathe through each other, a friend of mine thinks it's stupid though
Reginald Carnelian > wait wut?
Reginald Carnelian > "breathe through"???
Commander Kennedy > I knew that would turn some heads
Reginald Carnelian > how the fuck do you manage that?
Jake Nistrum > you blow into her arse and she suck out of yours?
Reginald Carnelian > wtf?
Ataryss > lol wtf
Ataryss > lol
Commander Kennedy > we kiss each other, and then one of us starts breathing
Kain Xzase > lol
Reginald Carnelian > is that some weird new fetish?
Reginald Carnelian > lol
Reginald Carnelian > ass to mouth
S'jet Hiigaran > ...the fuck
Reginald Carnelian > xD
Commander Kennedy > no, mouth to mouth
Commander Kennedy > you derp
Jake Nistrum > lol
S'jet Hiigaran > yeah you're weird kennedy. not exactly world breaking but still a new level
Jake Nistrum > suppose its ok if you are hyperventilating
Jake Nistrum > use ur gf instead of a paper bag
Commander Kennedy > nah you can't breathe too fast
Commander Kennedy > it triggers the other person's breathing reflex
Commander Kennedy > and that is unpleasant
FightingMoose > what the fuck is this alliance
Leane Masing > lol
Jake Nistrum > where you get oxygen from?
Tekka Otichoda > its just a few of 'em...
Commander Kennedy > the air comes in through the other person's nose
sarhamen > i would like to keep hereing about this so pls go on
Jake Nistrum > your bunged up?
Tekka Otichoda > lets say they got a runny nose
Leane Masing > lmao
Jake Nistrum > yummy
Commander Kennedy > well obviously you can't do it then
Tekka Otichoda > oooh, can you put a cig in the other person's nose and smoke through 'em?
Commander Kennedy > um I suppose that's possible
Commander Kennedy > but we don't smoke
Jake Nistrum > thats true passive smoking
Reginald Carnelian > I'm going to quote you in a new meme kenneedy
Commander Kennedy > Good to know I'm immortalized
sarhamen > ^lucky
Commander Kennedy > someone post that quote from me in the public channel
Commander Kennedy > i wanna see what happens
Reginald Carnelian > I'm making it into a pic now
Reginald Carnelian > uploading it to imgur
sarhamen > lol
Red Knight > 0/
Sarkon Parvi > o/
sarhamen > o/
sarhamen > first
Sarkon Parvi > [00:37:06] Sarkon Parvi > o/
Commander Kennedy > hey RK
Sarkon Parvi > [00:37:08] sarhamen > o/
Commander Kennedy > i'm about to become immortal
Red Knight > suicide isnt worth it man
sarhamen > ....
Commander Kennedy > wait for it
Sarkon Parvi > what a fucked up thing to say
sarhamen > RK.... messed up man
Reginald Carnelian > http://imgur.com/QqpZH
Red Knight > what!
Typhoon Tess > hey RK
Red Knight > its true
Commander Kennedy > :D

[Wingedwizard]

ViralHatred posted:

If they added a Homeworld 1 style 3 dimension movement system I would be in fucking love with this game.

m + shift click would be amazing on where you want to move on grid. The tactical overlay would work well with that.

[SCopE5000]

luishi5000 posted:

If you guys like the navigation idea, can you please comment on it in the forums so it gets some attention. Thank you!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99692

Morons on EvE forums...

Moron posted:

I'm not sure you really understand how collision mechanics work. It's a whole lot more complicated than you make it sound and much less of an issue than you make it out to be.

So? That doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to not fix it.

Fucking every other game makes un-broken systems for working out how to do shit like this. When you right click in an RTS for example your units pathfind. With a team the size of CCP it honestly shouldn't take them long to sort this out.

Posted my reply on the forums:

Me, an absolute boss posted:

So why does that mean they can't fix it?

Every game uses collision mechanics of some sort, whether it be for triggers, cursor interaction or more complex things like walls in 3d space.

RTS games utilize a system of path-finding, to allow your units to work out the optimal way to move to a location around objects, that's more-or-less all they'd need to do here.

Another way to do it would be to make a secondary, enlarged bounding box on everything, which is a few hundred meters bigger than the 'absolute stop' bounding box; then, rather than stop your ship entirely, divert it based on an angle drawn parallel to the ships heading in relation to the origin (0,0,0) of the object.

So essentially your ship would veer off and around an object, making an effort to get outside the secondary bounding box of the object as quickly as possible.

With a team the size of CCP, it shouldn't be a difficult task. 'Complicated' and 'Difficult' are excuses that just don't cut it. Maybe that excuse would work if EVE was being developed by one dude in his basement, but come on..

[luishi5000]

Thank you very much for your support! I would love to see this issue resolved. I do agree, if CCP really worked on it, it would not be the hardest issue to solve, considering they have solved more difficult tasks.


Also, I just won a PLEX on EVE radio! I am so excited. This is my 2nd competition winning in the last couple weeks!

[kenji]

SCopE5000 posted:

Morons on EvE forums...

With a team the size of CCP, it shouldn't be a difficult task. 'Complicated' and 'Difficult' are excuses that just don't cut it. Maybe that excuse would work if EVE was being developed by one dude in his basement, but come on..

"No guys, i did HTML in school it's totally easy, should take 5 mins, tops."

[SKEEA]

EWAR is so fun. I am not sure there is any other way to make people rage in local harder than making it so they cannot lock on to anything when trying to fight. I wish I had discovered it sooner.

[Whitefox08]

Was expecting new trailer.

[Pierrewithahat]

Once I have my cloaking skill up to 4 in a day I'll be training E-war, then it'll be caldari cruiser 5!

[Sir M]

luishi5000 posted:

As for the right, it was just a high end idea. They just wanted to see the feedback, which was negative, and are almost certainly not going to do it.

Another example picture:



https://forums.eveonline.com/default...=posts&t=99692

You forgot the bit where it gets suicide ganked

[Toyhobo]

This build any good for PvP?

[ejonkou]

Toyhobo posted:

This build any good for PvP?

Missing a Civilian DCU