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alright chumps time to get learned about star trek. Look beyond the nerd conventions, My thoughts, to your thoughts. Basically this thread is dedicated to the star trek television series, including all the other versions (such as TNG)
Star trek: The original series
Created by Gene Roddenberry. This was the first star trek ever released, it was extraordinary when it was released. you can easily tell this was made in the 1960's (1966 to be exact), from the sounds not matching any of the effects to the 3 foot star ship model held on fishing line, you can see that any sort of special effect was in it's infancy, and that any and all cgi simply didn't exist.
Star trek: The Next Generation
This was the second incarnation to be released, and personally, I think of it as the best. Just like the first one, it was created by gene roddenberry, Who sadly passed away during this series in 1991 (4 years after it first aired in 1987). This series had it's fair share of connections to the original series. Towards the end of the third season the show's whole theme somewhat shifted a little. Prior to the third season finale the show was quite episodic, where plot lines didn't really transfer over, however after the showing of the season 3 finale the show shifted to a more streamlined plot and included a lot more drama.
Star trek: Deep Space Nine
This was the third incarnation of star trek, first debuting in 1993 (during star trek: The next generation), and consequently had many crossovers, such as the characters from The next generation meeting up with characters in Deep space nine. It was the first to not be created by gene roddenberry, but instead created by Rick berman and michael piller. This series wasn't based on a star ship, but instead based on a starbase. Unline star trek: The original series, and Star trek: the next generation, Deep space nine had long story arcs over multiple episodes, and very complex character development, such as characters having more inter-personal conflicts, something that gene roddenberry forbid.
Star Trek: Voyager
This was the fourth incarnation of star trek, first debuting in 1995 (during the airing of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) It was created by Rick Berman, Michael Piller, and Jeri Taylor. It was the first Star Trek series to feature a Female Captain as well. This series has more of a familial crew, and has much more engaging action sequences and light humor. The whole series has one big plotline, but each episode tends to have it's own little story with parts that carry over in to the next episode. This is based on the Voyager starship Trying to find an enemy vessel, when suddenly both voyager and the enemy vessel are forced in to the delta quadrant over 70,000 lightyears away, by a powerful being named the caretaker. During the transit many of the crew died, and now the enemy vessel and Voyager have to work together on a 70,000 lightyear trek back home, which would take approximately 70 years.
Star Trek: Enterprise
This series first debuted in 2001, and was created by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga. Enterprise is a prequel to Star Trek: The Original Series. Enterprise ran only 4 seasons before it's cancellation in 2005. Sorry I can't provide more information as I do not want to watch this series. GB calls it a shit stain on the star trek franchise, but I'm sure it has some hidden gems in it.
Timeline wise -
Star Trek: Enterprise - 2151 - 2155
Star Trek: The original Series - 2265 - 2269
Star Trek: The Next Generation - 2364 - 2370
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - 2369 - 2375
Star Trek: Voyager - 2371 - 2378
I personally recommend to everyone watch Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager. Both are AMAZING. Star Trek Voyager is VERY close to star trek: The Next Generation in my books, season 4 blew me away at how good it was as a whole, and almost made me reconsider my top spot.
So, what do you all think of star trek?
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why no 2009 movie? it was a great movie
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cuz the 2009 movie has some other thread or somethin, idk.
that being said the 2009 movie was probably the best star trek movie ever made. also it was on a different timeline
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woot star trek .. `take us to warp 10`
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the original Star Trek was pretty decent but overrated as fuck
I'm so tired of people liking old things just because they're old
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nathaz ur so banned
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agreed. It really hasn't held up to time.
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Next Generation is best generation. DS9 and Voyager are pretty good but TNG will always be my favourite. The original is alright if you can just ignore how stupid it actually is (in a good way). Some of the fight scenes are ridiculously bad even for the time which makes it more enjoyable to watch.
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I love DS9, been watching it a lot lately since my uncle(who is a massive Trekkie) recently bought every Star Trek series on DVD after having them on VHS for so long.
He let me borrow DS9 since he was cramming through TOS.
I'm in the middle of season 2 and I'm really digging it, feels somewhat similar to Babylon 5 but not quite.
Before DS9 my only Star Trek experiences were through all of the movies and occasionally catching Voyager(recently bought the first season on DVD but I'm going to finish DS9 first) at 1 or 4 or in the morning.
Oh yeah and I watched most of Enterprise but the extremely hammy acting and boring characters(except for Archer) put me off from ever finishing it even though the Temporal Cold War seemed like a cool idea.
Of the movies I saw I loved Undiscovered Country, Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and the 2009 Star Trek.
I also got my hands on a few old TOS comics from the 80s at a flea market and I got Elite Force 1 & 2 and Bridge Commander at Gamestop a few years ago.
I really love Star Trek even though I've barely even scratched the surface of any of the series.
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holy shit, he has all of them on DVD? I really want to get voyager and TNG on dvd but each set is like $400
I also loved first contact, IMO anything dealing with borg is so god damn cool. I watched the entire TNG series in order (season 1 - 7) over the course of probably a year, and I'm on voyager (already at season 5 like 2 months in haha), after I finish voyager I'm moving to DS9 cause I hear good things about it too.
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I remember watching all of the star trek movies with my dad in one night (not including TNG movies and 2009), we borrowed them from a friend a long time ago, and it was cool, but it was also so long ago that I can't remember much
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Yeah, he bought them all brand new.
Called me over to check out the collection and I nearly shit myself.
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oh god some of the fight scenes in ToS are so bad, I honestly would find myself laughing at ToS more than actually taking it seriously.
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TNG is great, I think Voyager did awesome in bringing out the best of what TNG had done. DS9 charater and drama does great, though I never really got deep into it
The doctor owns, so does 7 of 9.
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There seems to be universal hate for Voyager amongst the hardcore Trekkies though, I never understood why.
It's a very fun show from what I've seen.
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The best thing to ever grace star trek
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I don't know why, it did what TNG did in terms of the theme behind it (exploration, morals, etc), and didn't butcher anything, and had a great underlying storyline.
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I've been watching TNG for 2 months now (the first time I've watched Star Trek) and I love it.
The characters are greatly made, they have chemistry with each other and are amusing. Every episode has a good and exciting plot and the way they reference an episode that happened 2 seasons ago is just a nice touch.
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I can't believe how old TNG really is, it doesn't even seem like that old of a show, but here's a somewhat recent picture of some of the cast.
dunno who the fatso in the middle is.
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The Next Generation is fucking incredible. I dressed up as Data for Halloween last year
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thats craptasketI can't believe how old TNG really is, it doesn't even seem like that old of a show, but here's a somewhat recent picture of some of the cast.
dunno who the fatso in the middle is.
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Voyager is my favorite of all the series.
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I was going to ironically post that it was me but damn you beat me
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It def rivals TNG in terms of quality
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Next Generation has always been my favorite. Picard is an awesome character and reminds me a ton of my grandfather.
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I remember once having Deep Space Nine once on TV at 2am at night. I decided what the hell, may as well watch it
It absolutely sucked, was dissapointed
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The Star Trek Universe as a whole is awesome. I am on the 6th season of Deep Space 9, I never really started in the correct order of watching them. But after DS9 I only have TOS left to watch. And I don't see why people hate Star Trek Enterprise, it was a good series maybe not the best compared to the others but it wasn't bad in any way (except finale episode, those that have watched probably understands...). And for those that say it sucks and "I read that people says it sucks" without having even watched it, go have a look for yourself before you judge it.
I really like TNG because of the really awesome characters, but I also enjoy DS9 because of it being totally different. Garak is amazing with his sarcastic jokes. And how can you not love Dr.Bashir and Miles O'Brien AKA Chief. Then we have Quark and Odo and their disputes, but deep inside they like each other.
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Most people seem to have disliked it because it was too much like a soap opera.
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To say it sucks without watching it is fucking stupid
at least I have something to base my opinion on
The movies were cool, I've seen Nemesis and some one with some crazy space egg which fucks with people's shit
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I watched the first season of Enterprise, I didn't really like it but that's because it didn't seem like it really happened before the other series. And Nemesis was awesome. The scene where Data Supermans from the Enterprise to what's his face's ship was the best part of the movie.
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Man I can't remember, but I know that I enjoyed it
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If the original star trek was to be on TV, I'd watch it
It was just like some CSI episode that I watched
They killed some dude with a fucked up face, and one of the dudes on the ship was blamed for it. Also I think somebody wanted to start a school or something
It was just really boring for me, but I haven't 100% made up my mind yet
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I'll end up watching enterprise, but I still don't have extremely high hopes for it. But before i watch enterprise im gonna watch ds9
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i hated that part, cause that's when I knew data was going to die
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I for the most part enjoyed nemesis though, it wasn't all that bad.
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TOS is very dated but if you give it a chance it grows on you extremely quickly. While the general atmosphere is very cheesy, you have to remember it's a low budget SCI-FI show from the SIXTIES and while it may look like (frankly) crap these days, it set a number of records in special effects at the time.
The thing about TOS is that the aesthetic doesn't really matter at all because it's all about brilliant characterization and quality storytelling. Its legacy is what it is because it's so wonderfully and timelessly presented. I challenge anyone to pick five random episodes of TOS and not be somewhat attached to at least one character after watching them.
Basically, you have to remember that the show is almost fifty years old and you can learn to look past its smelly, dated outer rind.
And of course TNG is awesome one of the greatest shows ever made etc. etc. no need to sing its praises anymore
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I mean watch this scene from The Original Series and tell me it doesn't charm you at least a little bit
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TNG and Voyager are by far the most interesting.
DS9: to boldly stay where we are and hope something interesting comes along
It's full of stupid this like a prophecy. Only interesting episodes I've seen were the comflict ones (i.e Defiant and the Dominion)
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earlier in the episode
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So the ones with the big amounts of CGI and Space Battles and ships exploding and phasers and torpedoes?
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I've met Patrick Stewart. I didn't talk to him about Star Trek though. We just briefly spoke about Christmas Carol. I assumed he was tired of talking about Star Trek so chose not to mention it.
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I've got every episode of TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Also, there's already a Star Trek thread but it died on its arse months ago.
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TNG and Voyager are my favourites. They have good storylines and overarcing plots so you can watch a series or just an episode and enjoy it. DS9 is also very good but a lot of episodes were directly related and if you didn't see one you'd miss vital details. I never liked TOS, it was just too cheesy and forced for me. Probably Shatner, I always hated Shatner.
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And Enterprise had good acting but the story was fucking awful. I wanted early Earths politics with the Vulcans, Klingon and Andorans, not that retarded time war with the Xindi.
Infact most of the time travel episodes were shit. Fuck off 29th century, stop fucking everything up! :argh:
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Love Voyager. Especially the Doctor - one of the most unique characters I've seen in Television.
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Be nice if they made another show like The Next Generation, that one was my favourite as well. Although it probably wouldn't be very popular among non-Trek fans and so be unsuccessful commercially...
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For DS9, yes, the characters didn't interest me. In TNG and Voyager nearly every episode had something interesting to offer.
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My opinions on each of the series:
TOS: Really good and obviously is the most Star-Trekky, but it's often let down by the fact that they didn't have a sense of continuity yet. Like in many episodes they claim different substances are the strongest known to man. Then in another episode they have a truth serum that is never mentioned ever again. I love the formula it used though; Enterprise encounters something strange, they investigate, can't save the day, Scotty pushes it, they save the day. It would have gotten stale eventually so I'm glad it finished when it did.
And while episodes such as the Nazi Planet or Yankies/Commies Planet episodes seemed cheesy, can sometimes be quite good, so long as you look past a lot of the really dumb stuff that's in there.
TAS: Only ever seen two episodes of this so I can't really have an opinion on it. From the episodes I've seen it wasn't vary good. I think they got kidnapped by some McDonalds fries or something.
TNG: My favourite series. I know a lot of people say it would have been better if it didn't portray humanity (and often the rest of the Federation) as already having achieved the perfect society, but it didn't really show Earth all that much at all. On the flagship of the Federation they're going to only have the best, I'm sure not everyone is as mature as Picard. What I really love about the series though is how it manages to be exciting without having all that much action in it. The Enterprise rarely ever got into a massive battle, even in "Yesterday's Enterprise" when the timeline is changed and they've been at war with the Klingons for years, there isn't that much of a big battle even though it's a warship.
In addition to all this I generally like the layout of the Enterprise. It's nice and bright on most decks, lots of room on the bridge and engineering. I had a better sense of where things were than in the original series too. Was the red trapezium thing in TOS the warp core? I dunno.
DS9: I barely ever have a chance to watch this as it's either never on, or it's on when I'm at school. I generally don't like darker shows (darker in the lighting sense), and since DS9 is pretty brown and beige everywhere I was put off for quite a while. When I did get around to watching some of it I really liked it though. It was good to see them stray from the "planet of the week" thing that the past series had been doing.
VOY: I do quite like Voyager too but I don't like it as much as TNG or TOS. One big reason for this is because it went from "We've got to get home!" to "The Doctor, Captain Janeway and Seven of Nine Show". It barely had any character development for anyone else. Not many of the other characters were very good anyway. Chakotay is pretty boring, when he's on an away mission but isn't the main character of the episode, I generally can't stand to watch it. Then there's Harry Kim. I quite like him but he never does anything interesting and the crew care so little about him that when he dies in one episode they act as if everything's normal since they have a parallel universe version of him.
Don't even get me started on the Borg. In TNG they were the biggest threat ever; one cube could destroy all of Starfleet. In Voyager, one Intrepid class ship could destroy the entire collective. I'm not saying they shouldn't have included the Borg, but they shouldn't have made them into the race of bees that don't consider you a threat despite the fact you've beaten them hundreds of times already.
ENT: I can understand why a lot of people hate it. There are quite a few good episodes but there are far more bad ones than the other series. It might have to do with the fact that you know they're going to win since the rest of Star Trek happens in the future. My favourite episodes that can stand by themselves and don't rely on any other episodes (in fact this applies to each of the series and most of the movies as well). My favourite one would be "In a Mirror, Darkly" since it doesn't rely on any other episode except for maybe "The Tholian Web", but that isn't necessary. I really disliked the whole Xindi arc though, since it just felt like it was dragged out and the fact that Earth isn't destroyed in the future takes a lot away.
Nah, I wouldn't say it's the best movie. It's definitely good, but it doesn't beat II, IV or VI in my opinion.
Something that I want answered about the 2009 movie is this: the stardate system is changed so that it corresponds to the Gregorian year. However, when Spock asks the Jellyfish Ship for its stardate of manufacture, it replies with the year as in the new format, but since it was built in the original Trek timeline, it should have responded in the old format.
Who's the guy in the back? Also wtf is up with her nose?I can't believe how old TNG really is, it doesn't even seem like that old of a show, but here's a somewhat recent picture of some of the cast.
dunno who the fatso in the middle is.
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