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Post #361
Yeah pretty much, in a world where money is king and he who has money has power, the only way to create these cures you speak of is through money. Later, when the process is mass produced and cheap, we could give it out for free, but until then you WILL, no matter how hard you preach 'fair' treatment, WILL have to pay money for it.
And screw you if you (people in general) don't want to work for the things you get, I mean jesus christ some people can be really lazy assholes.
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I wouldn't contest people who can being encouraged to pay the cost of the treatment, and people who can't afford the treatment at the time but can eventually afford it being encouraged to pay for it in time, if it meant the treatment could be applied to even more people. And I'm aware of the reality that it not only costs money to research such treatments, but it also costs money to deploy them.
But the deciding factor on who gets such treatments should not be money. An option to receive the treatment instantly and pay it off over time I would not object to, just so long as everyone who wants it can get the treatment.
Also bear in mind that not everyone who is living off the Government is doing so because they're lazy cunts, especially now, there are a lot of people who just cannot find work and are forced to live this way, there isn't enough jobs to go around.
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And what happens when you don't get the thing you want even though you've whittled away your live for it?, what about the people that have worked all their lives, good people, who know the value of a hard day's work and still will never come close to having enough for it what happens to them?. oh even better question, what happens when the rich pay for this procedure for their children?, what the fuck have they done do deserve immortality over the common man?.
If you are so in tune with the world you should know by now that hard work isn't always rewarded.
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Of course, but unless our Hypothetical Hitler comes around and makes it so that the rich cannot decide whether or not money is the deciding factor, then it's either they pay-it-off thing, or the more likely, rich control everything mindset, given current world circumstances/personality.
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It won't matter how hard you work if this thing is run by someone who wants money out of it. No matter what you do money and the rich will always be the decider, unless Hypothetical Hitler.
And the rich people's children will have the immortality regardless, it's not like the parents, or the rich, would argue against it.
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I think the average person seeing immortality dangled in front of their faces, but at the same time being unable to acquire it, considering everyone's innate fear of dying, would be an instant revolution starter.
It wouldn't be one man, it'd every other man.
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This is the only thing I oppose, the stealing/revolution. And no, I'm not for the rich, I'm stating the facts. Unless, the HH comes along, the rich will control it, simple as that. Simple. As. That.
We need a HH or the average person won't live forever, but at the same time, we need to balance rich and poor, and do you know how hard that is without having socialistic traits e.g. communism? And the problem with communism is morale.
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I think you honestly mis-underestimating the sheer anger and rage that would be generated if the rich were the only ones privy to immortality, you're acting as if in this day and age, revolutions in first world countries are impossible.
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And what does that prove?, what kind of comfort would that provide for a person who can't get it?.
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Yeah well the rich and powerful have had control of many things in the past, only to see their control removed and their heads for that matter too.
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That's why we need our HH. Without him, we are fucked either way.
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Not today, though. Those with power today control everything.
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Yeeeeeea-no.
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It proves that the rich care for their children because it wouldn't make sense not to? It wouldn't provide comfort for a person that can't get it because I'm pretty sure that you and every other person would value their own children more than a random stranger, yes? And I'm aware of that moral clash, but saying the children are 'undeserving' is stupid, because, matter-of-fact, they will get it regardless because they were lucky to be born into a rich house.
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I'm done. You are too ignorant to realize that money is in fact power. And the powerful control everything, that is why they are called powerful, no fucking duh.
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They don't control everything, they don't control our arms, they don't control our legs, they don't control our hands and they don't control our minds (unless you're a tea partier), numbers will win out.
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Do you think that this is fair?, that a person will live without the impending doom of their natural death always hanging above them just because they won the genetic lottery?.
Is that fair?.
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All they control is our wallets, And this is an organ humanity can survive without.
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Ignorance is bliss, yes? They do control you hands, legs and your mind. You work for them. You are their slave and no matter how much you secure the feeling that you can be one of many working towards a cause that is beneficial to the many, you are wrong.
You may convince yourself or others, but they will always be directing you, without explanation, without you knowing. The only way to defeat them is to take their money away, which is impossible, so a variant is to gain your own money and fit in with them.
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Yes it is fair, to be blunt.
No, through your wallets, they control your wants and needs, they control your mind through television, they control you body through work, they make you make them money.
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And no, humanity cannot survive without their wallets, by the way. People need payment, they need a feeling of gain. You can't have an ultra-communist state or whatever it is you are wanting.
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now an irrational person would go out and murder them at this point and what then?
what good is the power brought by money if you control him?.
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I can't wait to live till 200 as a robot.
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Well then the irrational person must be a very, very rich person.
That's the beauty of it, become rich and suddenly no one can change you, you do whatever you want.
Unless I misunderstood your sentence.
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Aw hell I made a typo, My bad.
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I fixed it in my post but I still sort of don't grasp what you are saying.
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No you didn't, well now you did
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Didn't update the first time.
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well ok then, moving on.
Now, what I'm saying is what do we do with the our irrational Oswald?. someone who believes that the now immortal rich are unfairly hording that power.
what good is all the power in the world if you cannot change his opinion and he kills you?.
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Fictionalized, and over-dramatized. It is also not an alternative to death, but a means of survival. That means there is not much time to get what everyone is desperate for, whereas in the case of immortality, it is the avoidance of the natural cause of death, which gives you a fucking long time to make enough money, besides maybe we will get that immortal-pay-over-time thing.
Also this is a machinima.
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and a parody at that.
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Well that's the thing, you kill him first, or in the literal sense, quell the rebellion and prevent it from happening. And we aren't talking about one person, we are talking about rich people in general. So more likely a group or syndicate of men and woman with power reaching across the globe/galaxy/solar system, depending on the time period we are talking about.
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Also only the first minute is relevant to our argument.
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Also only the first minute is relevant to our argument/discussion.
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How is it fair that they do not have to work for immortality, but everyone else does?
Most of what I want costs nothing.
Don't even watch television.
Well then, it appears that they are reliant on us to work for them, if that's the case and we become aware that we'll never be able to make enough money to acquire immortality, the only choice we'll have is to just stop working, cripple them completely. We'll die either way, at least if we fight back we might dethrone those who would seek to prevent us from getting immortality and then take it for ourselves.
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Could say the same about what I posted it in reply to.
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Your first quotepoint;
They have worked for their money, that is why they are rich. They don't magically become rich, and even those who inherit it have to find a means of KEEPING it.
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Most. But your needs REQUIRE money, no doubt.
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Oh yes a few people sanction this device, but the majority does not.
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Actually that's kind of fucking retarded since if you stop working for them you will die of starvation. There is such thing as police, by the way, and martyrdom is not on the agenda of those trying to scrape up scraps just to survive.
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Okay cool, when you finally come out of your coma-of-ignorance, then we'll talk.
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Perhaps you misunderstood me, are you saying that children who are born to rich families have worked for their money? How did they manage that, an out of the womb lemonade stand?
Once you've got the treatment, that is assuming it's a one time thing, you only need to worry about living as normal, you're immortal and you got it because you got lucky and was born to a wealthy family, that is not fair. It doesn't matter if manage to keep your wealth after you have the treatment, you're immortal, you can just live frugally from that point on forever since you're not going to die anyway.
Tiny amount, not everyone works the "The Man" in some way though.
As more and more people are using the internet, the ability for "unpopular" opinions to be tuned out is lessening, news would get out no matter what, it's too important to be ignored or brushed under the carpet.
Yeah, it's kind of a stupid idea that'll never work, I mean a large group of people all agreeing to not work in order to achieve a goal? That'll totally never work, but if it did I suppose it'd probably be called a union or something and the act itself a strike.
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Children born to rich families will be treated as such regardless and you cannot argue that point.
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Wait until you have children
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But a fuck load of people still use it
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Yes but if you do it on a massive scale and EVERYONE stops working, the rich people's money will outlive your strike. And then again, you were implying rebellion. Besides, you won't rally everyone, because unless you are living-on-the-streets poor, you will probably be able to make enough money within the average 75 years.
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I'm not arguing that they won't be given the treatment, I'm arguing that it's not fair, and to say that what entitles you to the immortality treatment is hard work while accepting that children born to rich families will get it regardless despite not having put in any work is a little hurr.
I never intend to have children, I'm fairly militant about that belief, and I will remove my own dick before I allow myself to conceive.
A fuckload of people also use the internet, and both.
A strike would just be one element of a rebellion.
You don't need to rally everyone to start a rebellion, you just need enough people, honestly I don't even see there being a need to rally most people, I'd be mad as hell just hearing about it.
And what of the people who are already 74 years old, is it fair for them? What of the people who are nearing that age? Unless the cure is free for some or all, or very affordable, there will be hell and it will not be fair.
If you'll excuse me my head is kind of pounding and I kind of want to go play TF2.
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Your entire point is; 'It must be free and shit so people who are two days from death can be able to get it even though it doesn't exist yet and by the time it does they'll be dead and also rich families children are undeserving because it's unfair they didn't work for it. reblion hrur'
Yeah the first part is generally stupid, and by hard work I meant the outcome;
Money.
And it is completely fair that rich people's children get it, because those rich people made them, they can be seen as their asset and therefore part of the rich people. It's not like they can't be born.
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I'm not saying children of rich families don't deserve it, I'm saying that everyone should have access to it because no one and nothing should decide who is worthy of eternal life and who is not. Money shouldn't be the deciding factor, intelligence shouldn't be the deciding factor, race shouldn't be the deciding factor, nothing should be the deciding factor. Once created, it should be for the benefit of the entire human race, not just a select few, be damned who put in the effort to create it or fund the creation of it, this isn't about such arbitrary factors such as wealth or fame or ownership.
Money is what defines the value of a human being? Of life? Really? Whether that human being should live forever or die?
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I don't mind life extension so to me this is a good donation, it's immortality that sounds scary to me - all elements of risk in life would be taken away and I'd feel worthless like I'd need to die and be incapable of it.
Btw money is irrelevant when you are immortal - go watch The Mummy, good example of why immortality should also never exist.
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politically speaking extending life is a stupid fucking idea
imagine if all the people that lived in 1700 were still alive; racism would be far more pronounced than it is right now, and archaic ideas would still be alive and well
a short reproductive cycle is necessary for the progress of human evolution and ideaology
so please
lets keep ourselves at 100
the meaning of life would be drained completely if you could live forever. I'd rather appreciate the time i have on this rock than keep begging for more like a child.
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Hoooollyyy fuck. You want everything for free without having to work a scrap, do you?
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Well money satisfies your needs, does it not? So it keeps you alive. It is considered your value, and it defines whether you live or die by providing currency with which to satisfy needs and wants.
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I can also be hurr durr ignorant.
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how many people in this thread have quoted or referenced vanilla sky yet
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This technology must not be used to Justin Bieber.
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Riutet you are the epitome of the person who shouldn't receive this treatment, your unwillingness to work towards getting it no matter how little effort is involved, and instantaneous call to arms in a violent revolution at the sheer suggestion of people having to earn eternal life through some hard work proves this to be true.
Your point on your personal needs being valueless is void.
The PC your using, the internet your using and the fact that your posting on an gaming internet forum (all three of which your parents probably pay for) are all way more expensive than the average annual wage in some third-world countries. You claim that you don't want to have kids and don't seem to want to do anything other that sit around being lazy, so please tell me what your purpose is?
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