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Why not try it more than 17.3 seconds?
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I have been using it for much more than that, and I simply can't deal with the tablet UI because how hideous and useless it is.
On Win7 the Start menu has small icons (like it should be on a desktop, I'm using the mouse for a reason), and I can start typing right away to find any programs that aren't in plain view.
On Win8,by pressing the start button I'm greeted with an ugly and enormous tablet interface that doesn't allow me to view all the programs I have installed, and I can't type to search (there seems to be an option to do that, but not only it's hidden, it also does jack shit for me).
I'm using a desktop computer. I want a productive, small, desktop interface. Something that W8 doesn't have.
It's like using Android on a desktop, it just doesn't work.
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And the shitty part is, with the registry hack to disable metro, it also disables all the cool new explorer features. :( Like setting two different wallpapers for a dual monitor setup, ribbon UI in Explorer, and an enhanced file copy dialog... Essentially making it Windows 7 again. :/
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What? That's a problem on your end, it works out just dandy for me.
Also, you should really read the blogs. Small desktop interface? You can view more files in explorer at once than ever before, and a lot of stuff has been changed under the hood. Personally, I find the start menu to work just fine on my laptop (I have DP installed on my desktop, but I find it more hassle-free to simply boot into Windows 7 most fo the time), though I haven't use a mouse with Windows 8 extensively. I mostly just use the start menu for search anyway (if you've read the blogs, you'll know that that's what most people do anyway), and Windows 8 does that just as good as Windows 7, really.
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This isn't the final release. At all. It might be changed, and why the fuck would you disable the shit? You're just trying Windows 8 out, why take out the most drastic change?
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Because the giant Metro interface is obviously aimed at tablets, and is only annoying to use on a desktop?
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I still don't get why it's annoying to use on a desktop.
Then again, I rarely use the start menu anyways.
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Just hit the winkey and start typing searches exactly like it does in Windows Vista and Windows 7.
Also there's no such thing as a desktop interface. Because interfaces evolve over time they are just how they were made not by some long drawn out definition.
To show all apps you have installed hit WinKey+F (or W) and click Apps. It's like hitting the winkey and then clicking All Programs. Except instead of hosting dozens, maybe even hundreds of options into a tiny menu it makes use of the room on your desktop. Because when you open the start menu your eyes are focused on that menu, all the other bits around it you ignore as it has nothing to do with your focus. Using as much room as possible to allow more content to be shown is just better. There's no need for everything to be cramped into a tiny corner.
I've been using it for nearly two months now and I can do everything, everything as quickly as I did before. I didn't just look at it for less than a day and go back to 7 or disable the redpill, I actually used it to get used to it and now I have. There are a few kinks and quirks that need to be sorted out sure, but this is an alpha build of Windows.
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I bet people in the 80/90s, just like now, said it was unconventional with the new user interface. Once people are acustomed to the new start menu, they won't want the other one back.
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My main problem with the Metro UI is that's inconsistent with the "desktop" interface (small icons, information everywhere and smooth looking Aero windows VS huge monochrome rectangles with text on them) and the size of it.
They could make the start menu be the size of your desktop and fit every single thing in it, making even the type-to-search redundant, if they kept the icons and text the size it was in 7.
This is why I hate metro - because they could fit so much more information in the same space if they ditched the "artistic and minimalistic" monochrome blocks and kept the UI the way it was, like it was supposed to be on a desktop.
I'm not using a phone or sitting twenty meters away from a TV so I need huge icons.
I'm using a desktop with the monitor in my face.
Metro on a desktop is stupid, because of its size.
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I think, not quite sure, that in later versions it is smaller. Though if it is, not by much. But most of the icons themselves are 48x48 which is default in Windows. The only thing different is the "hitbox" for lack of a better word which is only slightly larger than the default (and proportionate).
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I don't get how a searchbar and typing is faster than me lazy-clicking Start > Shortcut.
I would have to sit forward, pull out my keyboard tray, and start typing in double the time it takes me to make two mouse clicks. I use my Start menu as a dock, since I'm stuck with a 1024x768 display for my main screen, and pinning things to the taskbar isn't practical for my situation.
Exactly this. I really don't enjoy scrolling a football field horizontally with my mouse. It's a tablet toy, not made for the desktop. Not to mention, I don't personally know anyone who has a desktop with a touchscreen. Nor any kind of Tablet, for that matter.Thunderbolt posted:
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And you can't create shortcuts in the Metro start menu because...?
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They look fugly and aren't configurable?
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Most of the applications I use are made by companies that I can't be bothered to remember the names of, so pressing start, typing "vtf" and enter to launch VTFEdit is much faster than locating it by hand, same with other programs. I don't have a keyboard tray though, I can see how it could be bothersome to slide it out eveytime you want to use the start menu.
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Searching is for searching. If you want to open one of those shortcuts then
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Quick question;
Is there a way to move the details pane to the bottom of the window, like in Vista/7?
It's really useful to me and I would want to keep using it, but the way it's implemented in W8 wastes a whole lot of space on the right side of the window.
And before you say "it's gonna waste just as much space at the bottom", it's much easier and faster to scroll up/down than left/right
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Well you see, you kinda added two extra steps that none of us have to do usually. No wonder it's slower. Imagine if I had to sit forwards and pull out my mouse tray every time I needed to move the mouse; your method would surely be much slower.
For the rest of the world, we already have one hand on the keyboard and we just start typing.
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Have to modify Shell32's DirectUI files.Quick question;
Is there a way to move the details pane to the bottom of the window, like in Vista/7?
It's really useful to me and I would want to keep using it, but the way it's implemented in W8 wastes a whole lot of space on the right side of the window.
And before you say "it's gonna waste just as much space at the bottom", it's much easier and faster to scroll up/down than left/right
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Why is it that the Windows version text on the bottom is all most people get, but I end up stuck with the Microsoft Confidential paragraph plastered on top of my wallpaper?
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fI just downloaded Windows 8 to my dell inspiron duo. The metro ui is absolutely fantastic for tablet use. The copy and paste could use a little work, along with selecting text, for some reason I get little hiccups in when i try to select a large amount of text. Also, when Im typing, the screen displays the little circle signaling my touch but the Metro keyboard doesn't detect anything. Lastly, the Windows Phone autocorrect is far superior, this one seems to get confused.
Does it sound like I need a different touchscreen driver or something? I just dont understand these touch issues. I can barely even select a word to correct it. I had a much better touch experience on Windows 7.
It does run much smoother than Windows 7 on here. Oh and Piano is fun as hell! Other than the keyboard problems, zero issues so far.
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Because you disabled redpill.
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What is redpill? Metro? Because that's all i've disabled.
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Use this
Only disables Metro, leaving all the cool new features intact (Ribbon Explorer, new Copy file dialog etc.)
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THANK YOU, I LOVE YOU!!!
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Thanks! That thing they like to call the start menu is really bothering me.
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After using the program above, could someone give me some info on how to change the win7 style start orb?
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I have a proper metro start button which Microsoft should be using as default, that I want applying.
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Edit shsxs.dll's bitmaps.
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Thanks, I tried resource editing explorer.exe's start orb bitmaps. That just prevented explorer from opening.
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Quick question, Is it safe to use windows 8 ? I dont mean the download. But does the OS have alot of security holes?
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Of course, it's Windows.
But in seriousness it's as secure as 7 and then some considering it's updated with all the current fixes and more that are in 7. Not to mention it's pretty obscure in comparison.
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I'm wondering if someone has found a way to force W8 Apps to run on "low-res" screens (Like my brother's netbook, which has a 1280x800 screen, It has the Metro UI but I can't click anything on it but Settings and the Desktop), It makes no sense because everything is resolution independent so what's the matter
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It's just a bug as far as I'm aware. 1024x768 and 1366x768 are the minimum resolutions which that fits into.
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Also, Will it support anyones hardware as long as it meets the specs?
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If you can run Vista/7 it should work fine.
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Basically, anything 1.2GHz with 1GB of Ram and a 64MB DX9 card (Aero) for a minimum without it being a sluggish turd.
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Is it possible to do this at all? Any bitmap I put in there just crashes explorer for me. Does this mean it's the end of start orb changing?
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Panda says edit shsxs.dll.
I will give it a go later.
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Probably has to do with the fact explorer is digitally signed now. Though it's not that big of a deal, since the new start button isn't in it, just the old one.
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Hmm.. I'm not sure where but I found the new start button in one of the dll's. I changed it and explorer stopped working. I tried to make it transparent by making the background the same shade of grey another bitmap (of a transparent button) was using. Is there any way to run non digitally signed dll's?Probably has to do with the fact explorer is digitally signed now. Though it's not that big of a deal, since the new start button isn't in it, just the old one.
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You do know that its just an app in the background of windows 7 right?
Even on one of the videos it said you had to go out of this to change internet explorer settings.
FAIL
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Hasn't microsoft's digital signature leaked yet? I CLEARLY remember a digital package signer being used to sign unsigned drivers before...
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