1. Post #41
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    Dennab
    January 2006
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    In the first video, the guy that got knocked out was an armchair martial artist. He harassed my instructor for over a month before my instructor agreed to fight him. Which is why my instructor kept putting his hands down and whatnot, he was mocking the other guy. Did you see how the guy in the pants punched? No need to keep your hands up against that.
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  2. Post #42
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    In the first video, the guy that got knocked out was an armchair martial artist. He harassed my instructor for over a month before my instructor agreed to fight him. Which is why my instructor kept putting his hands down and whatnot, he was mocking the other guy. Did you see how the guy in the pants punched? No need to keep your hands up against that.
    I think that any real martial artist should show pride to every single person they fight. No matter how good they are compared to them. They should also be prepared for anything. See any pro even sparring and their hand are always up.
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  3. Post #43
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    Yeah sorry I was thinking the exact same thing watching that video. He didn't look very proficient at all.

    Got any videos of your featherweight boxing champ, that would be interesting.

  4. Post #44
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    I train in Tai Chi Chuan Yang style and incorporate it into Krav Maga.
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  5. Post #45
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    I think that any real martial artist should show pride to every single person they fight. No matter how good they are compared to them. They should also be prepared for anything. See any pro even sparring and their hand are always up.
    Hahaha, are you fucking serious? This isn't The Karate Kid kiddo, MMA isn't about honor and bullshit like that. Also, the guy went as far as going to my instructors house to harass him. He harassed my instructors wife as well. He needed to be made into an example of why you don't pretend to know shit after watching some youtube videos.

    Like I said, that guy is more of a BJJ/Judo specialist. He did a BJJ presentation for a Strikeforce event just last week or so, that's definitely where his strength is.

    As for the boxing instructor, he's a former champion so he's an older man now. I don't even think youtube was around when he fought, haha. There's one video of him lightly sparring a younger guy, but I don't think it does him much justice.

    He's the guy in white. I'd say he's in his 40's or so.
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  6. Post #46
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    Hahaha, are you fucking serious? This isn't The Karate Kid kiddo, MMA isn't about honor and bullshit like that. Also, the guy went as far as going to my instructors house to harass him. He harassed my instructors wife as well. He needed to be made into an example of why you don't pretend to know shit after watching some youtube videos.

    Like I said, that guy is more of a BJJ/Judo specialist. He did a BJJ presentation for a Strikeforce event just last week or so, that's definitely where his strength is.

    As for the boxing instructor, he's a former champion so he's an older man now. I don't even think youtube was around when he fought, haha. There's one video of him lightly sparring a younger guy, but I don't think it does him much justice.

    He's the guy in white. I'd say he's in his 40's or so.
    Wow you are dumber than I thought. Martial arts is based upon the value of honour. Stupid statements like you said are the reason there is a new generation of idiots thinking that martial arts is all about being cool and no one gives a shit about honour or pride or nobility. Things like this make me wonder about the future of martial arts "MMA isn't about honor and bullshit like that".

    Any real reputable or respectable martial artist will tell you I am right. The whole practise of martial arts is about trying to be better than others, but also helping others better themselves.
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  7. Post #47
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    Never said MMA is about being cool, but modern MMA is about competition, just like football and other sports.

    Sure, you develop discipline through martial arts, but when someone outright disrespects you and your family, you have every right to return the favor. Stick to watching your kung-fu movies.

  8. Post #48
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    Never said MMA is about being cool, but modern MMA is about competition, just like football and other sports.

    Sure, you develop discipline through martial arts, but when someone outright disrespects you and your family, you have every right to return the favor. Stick to watching your kung-fu movies.
    Yes but football and other sports are also very honourable. Martial arts has the potential to cause way more harm to the opponent than most other sports so this is why the level of discipline has to be so high. If someone outright disrespects him, and tries to do something to them then he could have kicked his ass in self defence (if the guy was being physical).

    Stick to wearing tapout shirts and thinking you`re ultra tough because you don`t give a fuck and have circlejerks with your other tough MMA buddies.

  9. Post #49
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    Martial arts is very different for everyone. It's what you use it for that defines how it is for you. Some people use Martial arts to compete against each other in tournaments, some do it for health, personally I do it for self defense and heightening my sense of awareness. I've been taught honor in the dojo towards the people I am training with, but out on the streets there is no honor and there is no respect. It's the first to strike and disable his or her opponent by any means necessary.

    Martial arts is about you and your right to live.

  10. Post #50
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    I used to do Tae Kwon Do. I was looking at getting back into martial arts and was either thinking of going back to TKD, or trying out Capoeira or possibly Krav Maga.

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    I usually use martial arts as a way of keeping fit. I felt Tae Kwon Do was very athletic when training
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  11. Post #51
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    Actually, the potential for injury is much higher in sports like football. Most of the injuries sustained in martial arts are superficial ones, simple cuts and bruises. Sure, you could tear someone's shoulder with a kimura, but not many people are enough of a heartless bastard to ignore a tap.

    I think it's stupid that since I'm not some super honorable kung-fu philosopher, I'm suddenly just some dude that thinks he's ultra tough and has circlejerks with other ultra tough dudes. I'm still a student of the sport and still have much to learn, but I'm realistic about it. This discussion makes me think you watched The Karate Kid and all of a sudden know what martial arts are about.

  12. Post #52
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    I thought Martial Arts was about nun-chuks and 720 jumping kicks.
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  13. Post #53
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    Actually, the potential for injury is much higher in sports like football. Most of the injuries sustained in martial arts are superficial ones, simple cuts and bruises. Sure, you could tear someone's shoulder with a kimura, but not many people are enough of a heartless bastard to ignore a tap.

    I think it's stupid that since I'm not some super honorable kung-fu philosopher, I'm suddenly just some dude that thinks he's ultra tough and has circlejerks with other ultra tough dudes. I'm still a student of the sport and still have much to learn, but I'm realistic about it. This discussion makes me think you watched The Karate Kid and all of a sudden know what martial arts are about.
    I have probably done martial arts for longer than you have and I don't even do it anymore.

    Kids like you are the reason that so many people look down on MMA fighters. A buddy of mine, one of the best MMA fighters around hated it. He would never ever get into a fight unless he was provoked, he would treat everyone with respect and didn't even talk about how he fights or whatever. When people like you came around he would be extremely disappointed. People that think MMA has nothing to do with honour. and that humiliating your opponent is acceptable.

    But it's okay I guess, there are thousands and thousands more people like you who think MMA is just something cool.
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  14. Post #54
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    Here's a video of me doing a sloppy run through of Tai Chi Chuan Yang style so I could show you guys what I do everyday anywhere between 6:00AM and 10:00AM. It's a soft form so it looks like a dance but it does wonders for your health, I do Krav Maga as a hard form and take each movement in Tai Chi Chuan Yang style and incorporate it into my Krav Maga.


  15. Post #55
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    I have probably done martial arts for longer than you have and I don't even do it anymore.

    Kids like you are the reason that so many people look down on MMA fighters. A buddy of mine, one of the best MMA fighters around hated it. He would never ever get into a fight unless he was provoked, he would treat everyone with respect and didn't even talk about how he fights or whatever. When people like you came around he would be extremely disappointed. People that think MMA has nothing to do with honour. and that humiliating your opponent is acceptable.

    But it's okay I guess, there are thousands and thousands more people like you who think MMA is just something cool.
    I don't get in fights, I don't disrespect people, or any of that shit. You're just taking a simple action like putting your hands down to mock an opponent and blowing it up into some improper martial artist bullshit and crap like that. So are you saying guys like Anderson Silva, one of the best if not the best P4P fighters in the world, are ruining the sport because he mocks his opponents? Is MMA just "something cool" to Anderson Silva and Josh Koscheck?

    You're just being ridiculous. MMA is an emotional sport, it would be ridiculously boring if everyone was super nice to each other and whatnot.

  16. Post #56
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    I don't get in fights, I don't disrespect people, or any of that shit. You're just taking a simple action like putting your hands down to mock an opponent and blowing it up into some improper martial artist bullshit and crap like that. So are you saying guys like Anderson Silva, one of the best if not the best P4P fighters in the world, are ruining the sport because he mocks his opponents? Is MMA just "something cool" to Anderson Silva and Josh Koscheck?

    You're just being ridiculous. MMA is an emotional sport, it would be ridiculously boring if everyone was super nice to each other and whatnot.
    All sports are emotional if you're pro. You don't see football players mocking each other.
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  17. Post #57
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    I don't get in fights, I don't disrespect people, or any of that shit. You're just taking a simple action like putting your hands down to mock an opponent and blowing it up into some improper martial artist bullshit and crap like that. So are you saying guys like Anderson Silva, one of the best if not the best P4P fighters in the world, are ruining the sport because he mocks his opponents? Is MMA just "something cool" to Anderson Silva and Josh Koscheck?

    You're just being ridiculous. MMA is an emotional sport, it would be ridiculously boring if everyone was super nice to each other and whatnot.
    all that is just for show, when they are sparring and shit they could give less of a fuck about what some guy said or did, they play it out because dana white pays them big bucks to do it, and all the little tapout kids think that's what the sport is all about
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  18. Post #58
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    I've seen a guy doing some cool Tiger style Kung Fu (I think). It looks pretty neat.

  19. Post #59
    Dennab
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    Hahaha, are you fucking serious? This isn't The Karate Kid kiddo, MMA isn't about honor and bullshit like that. Also, the guy went as far as going to my instructors house to harass him. He harassed my instructors wife as well. He needed to be made into an example of why you don't pretend to know shit after watching some youtube videos.

    Like I said, that guy is more of a BJJ/Judo specialist. He did a BJJ presentation for a Strikeforce event just last week or so, that's definitely where his strength is.

    As for the boxing instructor, he's a former champion so he's an older man now. I don't even think youtube was around when he fought, haha. There's one video of him lightly sparring a younger guy, but I don't think it does him much justice.

    He's the guy in white. I'd say he's in his 40's or so.
    That's more like it. I can definitely see the skill in that guy, he's still got the angles and technical proficiency, that much is evident. Would like to see him spar at full speed.

    Also guys, Maverick is right. Martial Arts has literally fuck all to do with honor or any other idealistic values. Some of the greatest martial artists, world champions in their chosen field, have been the biggest cunts you could meet. Martial Arts literally means combat arts.

    The only reason MMA has a negative stigma at the moment is because it's still so new. If anything, I'd say MMA on average has more respectful pro fighters than other sports have had. I could name many champion boxers and kickboxers who while extremely talented martial artists, defined terms like dickhead, wanker and asshole.

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    all that is just for show, when they are sparring and shit they could give less of a fuck about what some guy said or did, they play it out because dana white pays them big bucks to do it, and all the little tapout kids think that's what the sport is all about
    How so. There have been plenty of grudge matches in MMA. Sure some fights they talk it up to generate interest, but guys have lost fights because they couldn't control their tempers in the cage.

    Thats like saying Dana White payed Paul Daley to get himself kicked out of the UFC.

    In fact, the best recent example to my mind would be Rivera - Bisping. That wasn't just talk. You dont go and spit on a guys corner team after the fight is over because you want to hype it even more. Bisping is genuinely a douchebag, and Rivera genuinely doesn't like the guy, and now Bisping genuinely hates Rivera.

  20. Post #60
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    1. The professional fighters have a right to be cocky about something-they are some of the best in the world. That attitude shouldn't be shared by people who have been doing it for a year.
    2. how do you know all that is genuine? UFC is all show lol

  21. Post #61
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    Who is showing attitude that has only done it for a year? Did I ever say that I show attitude when I fight? My instructor showed attitude and mocked the other guy when he fought, but my instructor has been doing MMA for years. He's a damn black belt in BJJ and Judo, with a brown belt in some form of karate that I don't know how the fuck to spell the name of.

    Guys that go to one class and act like they're the shit are retarded, not going to deny that. I'm not defending those guys though, I'm defending the general idea that MMA isn't about bullshit like honor and whatnot.

    It's genuine because those guys don't just start being a certain way once they go pro out of nowhere. When interviewed, Josh Koscheck's old wrestling coach/team members said he was a massive dick back then too. A lot of rivalries in the UFC originated from Pride, so saying they are all orchestrated by Dana White is just outright stupid.

  22. Post #62
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    Who is showing attitude that has only done it for a year? Did I ever say that I show attitude when I fight? My instructor showed attitude and mocked the other guy when he fought, but my instructor has been doing MMA for years. He's a damn black belt in BJJ and Judo, with a brown belt in some form of karate that I don't know how the fuck to spell the name of.

    Guys that go to one class and act like they're the shit are retarded, not going to deny that. I'm not defending those guys though, I'm defending the general idea that MMA isn't about bullshit like honor and whatnot.

    It's genuine because those guys don't just start being a certain way once they go pro out of nowhere. When interviewed, Josh Koscheck's old wrestling coach/team members said he was a massive dick back then too. A lot of rivalries in the UFC originated from Pride, so saying they are all orchestrated by Dana White is just outright stupid.
    ~tapout~
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  23. Post #63
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    Here's a video of me doing a sloppy run through of Tai Chi Chuan Yang style so I could show you guys what I do everyday anywhere between 6:00AM and 10:00AM. It's a soft form so it looks like a dance but it does wonders for your health, I do Krav Maga as a hard form and take each movement in Tai Chi Chuan Yang style and incorporate it into my Krav Maga.

    Mate, how long have you been practicing Tai Chi ? As what do you consider it ?
    Doesn't happen too often that I meet someone who practices it on the Internet :D

  24. Post #64
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    Mate, how long have you been practicing Tai Chi ? As what do you consider it ?
    Doesn't happen too often that I meet someone who practices it on the Internet :D
    Is Tai Chi not technically meditation?

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    Mate, how long have you been practicing Tai Chi ? As what do you consider it ?
    Doesn't happen too often that I meet someone who practices it on the Internet :D
    About a year now, I consider it fighting and health. Tai chi chuan to me is "grand ultimate fist". Are you a practitioner aswell? :)

  26. Post #66
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    Is Tai Chi not technically meditation?
    It was originally a martial art. A soft style, more about energy than brute strength. Great martial art, if you find a good sifu (teacher) you're set.

    It's fantastic for meditation though, that's why alot of practitioners around the world only know the holistic side - you'll see experienced taiji teachers but they'll only ever know each form, no combat applications or martial aspect of it.


    I don't practise taiji, one of my teachers previous did (chen style). At the moment, I practise Wing Chun Kung Fu (martial) and Qigong (purely holistic, meditative). I studied TKD for 2 years a few years back and Shaolin Changquan (Longfist) for a few months about 2 years ago.

  27. Post #67
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    Tai Chi is not just meditation, trust me. Taught and done properly you can defend yourself pretty well.
    And yup, I am a practitioner and am mostly interested in the fighting side of it- even though you notice your health and strength increasing :D
    But for fighting you need a buttload of patience :P

  28. Post #68
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    Tai Chi is not just meditation, trust me. Taught and done properly you can defend yourself pretty well.
    And yup, I am a practitioner and am mostly interested in the fighting side of it- even though you notice your health and strength increasing :D
    But for fighting you need a buttload of patience :P
    I dunno if you were replying to me or it was a general message but I'm aware it's a martial art and not just meditation:) I've seen it in practise, it's great stuff!

    If you want pure meditation, start Qigong :)

  29. Post #69
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    I've only recently ( 5 weeks roughly) started Boxing and MMA basics....
    i tell you something the fitness involved in both (but boxing mainly) is so intense! one of the rare times when i get home dripping head to toe in sweat and literally wake up the next day in whole body pain!
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  30. Post #70
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    Boxing is serious cardio.

    Thai boxing doesn't seem as cardio intensive to me, maybe because it's at a slower pace since people are wary of kicks. That being said, I sparred a few rounds after a greco roman wrestling workout last night and my body feels like it's about to fall apart.

    My foot hurts the worst, I threw a hard leg kick at a guy and he didn't back up far enough to get out of range, ended up landing it with my foot. Didn't hurt until I woke up this morning feeling like someone smashed it with hammer.
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  31. Post #71
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    Thai Boxing is pretty cardio intensive, for real. Once you catch some elbows and knees you really do not want to go on :3 (also low kicks on the same spot... over and over again D: )

  32. Post #72
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    That's more related to general pain than it is cardio.

    Your cardio really has nothing to do with how many low kicks you can take. Boxing doesn't hurt as much in general (of course, impacts build up over the course of 12 rounds so you're hurting like hell by the end of it) but is much more demanding in terms of cardio. MMA fighters and Thai boxers don't throw hundreds of strikes every fight. Sure, some guys throw a lot, but boxing is virtually non-stop striking.

  33. Post #73
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    Depends on what you do, our bag trainings are very cardio intensive, all the time you'll be bathing in sweat and panting your ass off.
    One day we go full focus on boxing, the other day full focus on kicks or a combination of both.

  34. Post #74
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    Having done both extensively, I can definitely agree the pace in MT is nowhere near as intense as boxing.

    Mostly because of the difference in fighting or rather competition style. Muay Thai under full thai rules is very slow paced with brief bouts of action. Punches score next to nothing in FTR so a lot of fighters won't push the pace with boxing combinations, instead opting to play a tactical battle with kicks and elbows, using the clinch when they get into danger.

    Boxing on the other hand, in the amateurs, you only usually have 3 rounds to make your mark in points, or KTFO the other guy, so the pace is furious.

  35. Post #75
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    BJJ/wrestling with striking allowed is ridiculously intensive as well. In standard BJJ when just rolling and stuff, you can be patient and wait for openings and whatnot. Add ground and pound into the mix and it becomes an entirely different game. We'll have days where we just roll with ground and pound allowed and not only will it be ridiculously exhausting, but getting out of bed the next day is super difficult as well.

  36. Post #76
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    BJJ/wrestling with striking allowed is ridiculously intensive as well. In standard BJJ when just rolling and stuff, you can be patient and wait for openings and whatnot. Add ground and pound into the mix and it becomes an entirely different game. We'll have days where we just roll with ground and pound allowed and not only will it be ridiculously exhausting, but getting out of bed the next day is super difficult as well.
    Oh fuck yeah dude, it always annoyed me at BJJ classes where dudes who had been doing it for a few months and were fairly competent started getting smug about their ability to defend themself. Trying to explain that game completely changes when striking is allowed (let alone biting, gouging and the other guys friends soccer kicking your head on the ground) was like talking to a brick wall.
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    I haven't ran into any problems with dudes like that, moreso guys that are completely oblivious to it. For example, a guy my roommate knows participates in amateur fights and the guy is excellent at standalone BJJ but has lost to a rear naked choke three times in a row. My roommate goes off about how the dude is badass at jits and he doesn't understand how his friend keeps losing, when it's pretty clear the kid has yet to understand jits with striking is way different than jits without it. Some people just outright lose their ability to think and react when they're getting punched in the face.

  38. Post #78
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    Oh fuck yeah dude, it always annoyed me at BJJ classes where dudes who had been doing it for a few months and were fairly competent started getting smug about their ability to defend themself. Trying to explain that game completely changes when striking is allowed (let alone biting, gouging and the other guys friends soccer kicking your head on the ground) was like talking to a brick wall.
    Too true

  39. Post #79
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    Just an update and a bump I guess.

    I left Kuk Sool Won as progress was way too slow, every class started to feel the same. And I wasn't digging all the traditional forms and techniques I was more about the sparring. It's always been my strong point. Every tournament I was getting gold haha.

    Looking for a new one now I guess, any suggestions?

  40. Post #80
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    Doing an inhouse MMA tournament with my club tomorrow. Any tips? I don't know enough standup technique to be confident in that aspect, I'm decent in bjj and taketowns, however I don't know how I'll fair with striking involved.