1. Post #841
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    Isn't a War ALWAYS started over SOMEONE's benefit?
    Sometimes, though don't rule out incompetence or system failure e.g. WW1. In this case, when someone states that they usually always mean that the West instigated the Libyan civil war for their own economic benefit, which is ridiculous. Not least because western companies have now lost access to the oil that they were happily extracting with little interference from Gaddafi's government. And if Gaddafi wins, which while unlikely is a conceivable risk., it's unlikely he'll let them back.

  2. Post #842
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    -snip-
    yup, has been posted earlier
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  3. Post #843
    Sometimes, though don't rule out incompetence or system failure e.g. WW1. In this case, when someone states that they usually always mean that the West instigated the Libyan civil war for their own economic benefit, which is ridiculous. Not least because western companies have now lost access to the oil that they were happily extracting with little interference from Gaddafi's government. And if Gaddafi wins, which while unlikely is a conceivable risk., it's unlikely he'll let them back.
    Gaddafi is a U.S government puppet.
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  4. Post #844
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    Gaddafi is a U.S government puppet.
    No.
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    get out of here, illuminati promoter.

    leave these good people alone
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  6. Post #846
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    get out of here, illuminati promoter.

    leave these good people alone
    Get back under your bridge.

  7. Post #847
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    Gaddafi is a U.S government puppet.
    You always seem to pop up and say some of the most amusing things. Shame none of them have any backing, though :c
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  8. Post #848
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    A Canadian is running the show now :canada:

    Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard of Canada will take over command of the NATO mission in Libya, Canadian Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Friday.

    NATO agreed Thursday to assume responsibility for a no-fly zone over Libya, part of a UN-backed mission to protect civilians from forces loyal to longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi.

    Bouchard has been designated to lead NATO's military campaign in Libya, MacKay told a briefing in Ottawa, noting the full scope of the NATO mission is still evolving.

    MacKay said he expected NATO to make the formal announcement shortly. He described Bouchard as a "formidable leader, with tremendous character and ability."
    A Canadian running it, the French blowing everything up, America not vying for power over the situation...

    This feels different

    Edited:

    CBC comments are gold:

    Just keep the British far away from nature ... England has a 1500 year history of destroying everything they came in contact with. Best to put a G20 style fence around their island, have a no-flight zone over them, take away their passports, cut communications with the rest of the world until they understand they have a healthy understanding that their struggle for Empire is over.
    Caution any talk of American, Canadian militaries may cause a high noise to signal ratio!!!! Seriously how many of you people vote. You have a chance coming up, don't like what is going on go vote for.... someone. Spoiling a ballot does nothing and nobody really cares, quite honestly. Sitting at home bitching does nothing. Don't like Harper? Vote him out..... Like what he is doing Vote for him, just don't cry when the system that you are willing to accept when your party wins doesn't work for you when they don't. I really don't care. I am not a Harper fan but I dislike him less then Iggy and Taliban Jack and I won't even discuss Elizabeth May. Give me a real alternative and I will vote for someone else.
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  9. Post #849
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    A Canadian running it, the French blowing everything up, America not vying for power over the situation...
    Its the lead up to the end of the world, the Mayans were correct.

    When I first read this news earlier I was trying to come up with a joke at the expense of Canada, I mean it would only be fair. I couldn't think of one though :saddowns:


    More on topic, I wonder if the way things are being done is going to change now that someone else / NATO is in command?
    Although from what I have read / seen, NATO are only enforcing the no fly zone (at the moment) and not the "protect civilians by any necessary means" bit.

    Talking of protecting civilians by "any necessary means". The BBC have a video up showing a tank being targeted and attacked by a tornado.

    They also have a video by their world affairs editor who is slightly sceptical (to say the least) about the damage the media is being shown which the Libyan government claims is from bomb's and missiles.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12865785
    (I found his way of putting it across without saying it slightly funny)

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    I'd rather not have the US take control over the situation. We already have stuff to do in Afghanistan and Iraq (we still have peace-keepers, I believe), and a third area would not be a good choice.

    Welp, we have enough missiles to keep Gadaffi's forces in puddles of urine.

  11. Post #851
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    I'd rather not have the US take control over the situation.
    Which is why NATO just took control.


    God, people really need to educate themselves about this stuff before talking about it.
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  12. Post #852
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    I miss the bad reading rating.
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  13. Post #853
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    A Canadian is running the show now :canada:



    A Canadian running it, the French blowing everything up, America not vying for power over the situation...

    This feels different

    Edited:

    CBC comments are gold:
    Goddammit Canada, stop being the world police!


    :P
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  14. Post #854
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    Libyan rebels take Ajdabiya
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...812362552.html


    The key eastern town, previously under government control, is in opposition hands following days of heavy fighting.

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    Coalition warplanes pounded government forces in Ajdabiya, boosting rebel efforts to launch new offensives [AFP] Libyan opposition rebels have taken the strategic eastern town of Ajdabiya from government control, Al Jazeera's correspondent there reported.
    "There is no doubt about it, you can probably hear some of the celebrations behind me, Ajdabiya is in opposition hands," Al Jazeera's James Bays said from the city on Saturday.
    "Gaddafi forces have been controlling the ring road that goes around Ajdabiya ... that has been the situation for six days, but they have now been cleared from that position."
    "The opposition forces tell me their may be some pro-Gaddafi forces hiding, snipers possibly on buildings, they are telling us to take care," Bays said, but he added that Ajdabiya was "firmly back under the control of opposition fighters".
    Rebel fighters were now reportedly on their way to the key oil port town of Brega, where Gaddafi forces were retreating, witnesses said.
    "The road is open beyond Ajdabiya, and [the rebels] are heading, streaming along that road ... they are on the road and they are moving forward," Bays reported.
    Earlier on Saturday, rebels reported having entered Ajdabiya in a bid to wrestle control of the strategic area.
    Many fighters belonging to forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi were held hostage after fierce fighting on Friday, rebels said.
    Pro-Gaddafi forces are now mainly positioned in the west of the town, having previously held the entire area, they said.
    On Friday, western warplanes bombed Gaddafi's tanks and artillery outside the town to try to break a battlefield stalemate and help rebels retake the strategic area.

    Plumes of smoke filled the sky as the pace of coalition air strikes escalated, forcing terrified residents to flee Ajdabiya, which is 160km south of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
    Misurata fighting
    Forces loyal to Gaddafi shelled an area on the outskirts of the city of Misurata on Friday, killing six people including three children, a rebel said.
    The Libyan port, the North African country's third biggest city, has experienced some of the heaviest fighting between rebels and forces loyal to Gaddafi since an uprising began on February 16.
    Officials and rebels said on Friday aid organisations were able to deliver some supplies to Misurata.
    "There is a fairly regular supply going into Misurata," Simon Brooks, head of the International Committee of the Red Cross operations in eastern Libya, told Reuters.
    "But we are deeply concerned about the reports we are receiving about fighting in the city."
    Casualties have overwhelmed the local medical clinic and prompted international concern about the safety of civilians.
    Residents say electricity, water and regular land and cell phone service to Misurata are not functioning. Reports from the city cannot be verified independently because Libyan authorities have prevented journalists from going there.
    On Thursday, government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim said the government was in total control of the city, a claim denied by rebels.
    AU proposal
    Meanwhile, on the diplomatic front, the African Union said it plans to facilitate talks to help end the conflict in Libya between government and rebel forces.
    "The AU action is ... aiming at facilitating dialogue between the Libyan parties on reforms to be launched to
    eliminate the root causes of the conflict," the union's commission chairman Jean Ping told a meeting in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia on Friday.
    He said that the process should end with democratic elections in Libya.
    It was the first statement by the AU, which had rejected any form of foreign intervention in the Libya crisis, since the UN Security Council imposed a no-fly zone last week and a Western coalition began air strikes on Libyan military targets.
    Libya's delegation to the meeting, at which the rebels were not represented, called for an end to
    air strikes and said the government was committed to upholding a ceasefire it declared on Sunday.
    The delegation said Tripoli is ready to implement an AU roadmap to resolve the Libyan crisis, while also demanding a halt to the Western-led coalition's military intervention.
    "We are ready to implement the Road Map envisaged ... (by) the High-Level Committee mandated by the Peace and Security Council of the African Union," said a statement from the delegation headed by Mohammed al-Zwai, secretary general of the General People's Congress.
    The AU roadmap calls for an immediate end to all hostilities, "cooperation on the part of the relevant Libyan authorities to facilitate humanitarian aid," and "protection for all foreign nationals, including African migrant workers."
    The delegation called on the international community to oblige the "other parties" in the conflict to respect a ceasefire, referring to the opposition, and demanded "the cessation of the air bombardment and the naval
    blockade carried out by Western forces and the United States".
    Freelance foreign policy
    Anita McNaught, Al Jazeera's correspondent in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, said it was not the first time that a Libyan delegation "conducted a little freelance foreign policy on the sideline" and that there was no way of telling if the offer was sincere.
    "In much the same way we had the foreign ministry go out on a limb a few days ago and say that they declared a ceasefire," she said.
    "That was in complete contradiction of the facts on the ground and also the rhetoric coming from Colonel Gaddafi himself who wasn’t saying anything to do with a ceasefire.
    "He was saying: We'll fight to the death; we'll chase you into your homes. We'll pursue this war to the end."
    "A rebel spokesman in Benghazi said they weren't consulted in this initiative. Some reports say they were even invited to the meeting others say they were but refused to go. Others are saying there isn't an opening for negotiating, that they simply want the bombing to stop and Gaddafi and his family to leave."

    However, diplomatic efforts may be sidelined, if reports by the Washington Post are confirmed with respect to US and NATO considering arming the Libyan opposition.

    The newspaper reported on Saturday, citing unamed US and European officials, that the Obama admnistration believe the UN resolution that authorised international intervention in Libya has the "flexibility" to allow such assistance.

    According to newspaper, Gene Cretz, the recently withdrawn US ambassador to Libya, said administration officials were having "the full gamut" of discussions on "potential assistance we might offer, both on the non-lethal and the lethal side".
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  15. Post #855
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    Goddammit Canada, stop being the world police!

    :P
    Quiet Gunfox your country only exists because we allow it to exist
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  16. Post #856
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    Green - Cities controlled by pro-Gaddafi forces
    Brown - Cities controlled by anti-Gaddafi forces (supported by coalition forces)
    Blue - Ongoing fighting/unclear situation

    And something funny from the BBC.

    1341: Libyan state TV has an original take on the march in London against government spending cuts. A screen caption reads: "Tens of thousands of British citizens out in mass protests now in front of the British House of Commons condemning the colonialist, crusader aggression against the Libyan Great Jamahiriyah."
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  17. Post #857
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    [release]GH house surgeons, PGs go on strike

    CHENNAI: Postgraduate students and house surgeons of the Government General Hospital went on a hunger strike on Wednesday demanding hike in their stipend.

    "Since 2000, our stipend has remained at Rs 8000, while in many other states it has nearly doubled. House surgeons here get only Rs 4,500 per month." said the Tamil Nadu Postgraduates and CRRIs Association president S Subison. The association has been representing to the government to increase the stipend to Rs 25,000 for PGs, Rs 28,000 for super-speciality PGs and Rs 10,000 for house surgeons for the past two years, but to no avail. The students held token strike on February 24 followed by human chain protests and a black badge protest on Tuesday.[/release]

  18. Post #858
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    Good to hear about Ajdabiyah, I hope it's the first of many victories.

  19. Post #859
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    Good to hear about Ajdabiyah, I hope it's the first of many victories.
    I'm not sure, but I think that Ajdabiyah wasn't the first :raise:

  20. Post #860
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    Quiet Gunfox your country only exists because we allow it to exist
    Yes sir :(
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  21. Post #861
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    Might find this interesting, it's a document with maps and brief descriptions about the missions and situation in Libya.

    http://www.defense.gov/news/d20110325slides.pdf

    Also, I'm so happy for the Danish fighter pilots finally getting to actually use their training for something, I don't think they get much action.

  22. Post #862
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    I'm not sure, but I think that Ajdabiyah wasn't the first :raise:
    I think he means since the collation assistance.
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  23. Post #863
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    1609: Libyan rebels claim to have taken Brega - AFP.

  24. Post #864
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    1609: Libyan rebels claim to have taken Brega - AFP.
    That was quick, if true.

    I wonder if it will be independently confirmed any time soon.
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  25. Post #865
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    If it's true, they're making good progress. They might be able to link up with Misurata by Monday, though that's just a guess I pulled from my arse.

  26. Post #866
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    If it's true, they're making good progress. They might be able to link up with Misurata by Monday, though that's just a guess I pulled from my arse.
    They've got to get Sirt first - big place with a lot of important government institutions, will probably be a hard battle.

    Edited:

    In other news Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh may be about to step down after 20 years in power

    Edited:


    Awesome journalism but the rebels here remind me of Four Lions

  27. Post #867
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    Saw this in my local paper a week ago.


    DRIVE ME CLOSER I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
    when did charlie sheen join the rebellion?
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  28. Post #868
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    I have a pretty big empty space on the wall in my room which I've decided to fill with a 3'x5' Kingdom of Libya flag

    Edited:

    1709: Rebel fighter Abdelsalam al-Maadani tells AFP: "We are in the centre of Brega... Gaddafi's forces are on the retreat and should now be at Al-Bisher (30km) west of Brega."

    Al Jazeera has confirmed that Brega is under rebel control

  29. Post #869
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    Al Jazeera has confirmed that Brega is under rebel control
    Should I post a picture of a champange bottle cap popping or should I wait until Sirt falls under Rebel control?

  30. Post #870
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    "Gentlemen."
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    I still find it amazing the army is using their tanks. They are obselete and cannot withstand any strike from British, US, French etc aircraft.

  33. Post #873
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    I still find it amazing the army is using their tanks. They are obselete and cannot withstand any strike from British, US, French etc aircraft.
    I don't think many tanks can withstand direct air attacks.

  34. Post #874
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    You always seem to pop up and say some of the most amusing things. Shame none of them have any backing, though :c
    The US government was kinda warming up the relations to Gaddafi and Libya the whole time after the coup by him.

    Now the ally thing wont work out for obvious reasons.

    Edit: Part of the reason why america wasn't the first to charge in plane cannons blazing.

    Edit2: Just a brief moment of political confusion.

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    1341: Libyan state TV has an original take on the march in London against government spending cuts. A screen caption reads: "Tens of thousands of British citizens out in mass protests now in front of the British House of Commons condemning the colonialist, crusader aggression against the Libyan Great Jamahiriyah."
    That's some Fox News-type shit right there.
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    "Gentlemen."
    No no no

    "My people"

  37. Post #877
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    The US government was kinda warming up the relations to Gaddafi and Libya the whole time after the coup by him.

    Now the ally thing wont work out for obvious reasons.

    Edit: Part of the reason why america wasn't the first to charge in plane cannons blazing.

    Edit2: Just a brief moment of political confusion.
    What the fuck are you talking about? Reagan HATED Ghaddafi. We bombed him way back in the 80's!

  38. Post #878
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    What the fuck are you talking about? Reagan HATED Ghaddafi. We bombed him way back in the 80's!
    What are you talking about? Reagan was a well know Libyan terrorist who supported Gaddafi's every move.
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    BAWAHAHAHHAHA LOL THEIR PROPAGANDA.
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    BAWAHAHAHHAHA LOL THEIR PROPAGANDA.
    If he wants to defend himself why does he have his back turned
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