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no pop punk or post 2000 "post hardcore" (pop metal/scenecore) shit allowed thank you :)
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Punk: A Brief History
1963-1966
Punk Rock is ultimately rooted in what is known now as Garage Rock which started with bands like the Troggs, The Kingsmen, The Trashmen, The Kinks, The Sonics, the D-Boys, and so on. This early proto-proto punk is marked by taking "Surf Rock" of bands like the Beach Boys, and hard blues, later on in the genre's taking influence from British Invasion "Beat Groups." Musically, it can be identified by shouted, distorted lo-fi vocals that are difficult to understand, and extremely harsh guitars which were used with as much fuzz as possible for the time. The most notable example of this genre that you can't have not heard is The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie," which has been covered from every Punk act from The Stooges to Bad Religion and so on.
Another notable example is the original "Surfin' Bird" by Minneapolis' own "Trashmen." The tempo of this track is incredible for its time, as are the rest of their tracks. Very intense drumming. It is actually the simple combination of two other RnB songs played twice as fast.
1968-1975
It was roughly 1965 when more extreme acts like Television, MC5, The Stooges, The Modern Lovers, and The New York Dolls would start to surface, taking Garage Rock to a new level, creating what is now known as Proto-Punk. This genre is far more eclectic than Garage Rock, as songs from many other genres fall under this umbrella, including Led Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown" (which would go on to be covered by DOA), to Black Sabbath's "Paranoid." Some British Invasion era bands also fall into this category, including The Kinks and The Who. Some early Glam artists such as David Bowie and T. Rex have also been put in this genre.
The two most notable bands of this era are easily the few first mentioned above, MC5 and The Stooges of Detroit, and The New York Dolls and The Modern Lovers. MC5 were the forefathers for The Stooges, where The Modern Lovers took more from the Kingsmen camp of quick simple recordings (their single "Roadrunner" notable for having been recorded in under an hour) and The New York Dolls fusing the music and image and style of The Rolling Stones with the attitude and edge of The Stooges.
MC5 seems to be the first to really take Psychedelics to a new level of intensity before the hippies got on their feet, starting up in 1965 and putting out Kick Out The Jams in 1968, a track that remains popular among punks to this day and is frequently covered.
The New York Dolls can be seen here with a particularly outlandish performance of their classic "Personality Crisis" which wasn't released until 1976 (this video being from 1973). This band is particularly notable in its spawning of Johnny Thunder, one of the biggest influences on the Sex Pistols.
There are also a few that claim this track is the first Hardcore Punk song; Iggy Pop's "I've Got a Right" from 1972
(And a brilliant cover from The Adolescents circa 1989)
1976-1980
It was around 1976 that The Ramones, and then The Sex Pistols and The Clash popped onto the scene, bringing punk to the forefront, and creating what we really know now as "Punk Rock." The history of this is fairly well documented now, bands like The Clash and The Sex Pistols growing from small 100 person venues to huge 1000 capacity rooms sold out in a matter of months. Other notable bands from this short era include The Suicide Commandos, The Dead Boys, The Saints, The Damned, The Buzzcocks, Wire, Stiff Little Fingers, X-Ray Spex, Radio Birdman, and The Voidoids. This era is notable by its use of "buzzsaw" guitars, fast drumming, monotone vocals, simple melodies, short songs, and in the US, wearing leather, and bondaged influenced fashion in the UK.
Look at this huge crowd that The Clash is playing to in 1978, just two years after their inception, only one year after their record
The Ramones playing "I"m Against It"
Australia's "The Saints" One of the most underrated punk acts of all time
It would be around 1980 that most punk kids would fall to the wayside with the death of Sid of The Sex Pistols, or move on to Hardcore Punk
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1978-1986
Hardcore. A term officially coined in 1981 by DOA's "Hardcore '81" record. It simple means to take things to the next level, to push it to its limits.
The two most cited "original hardcore" singles are the Bad Brains "Pay to Cum" 7", and Middle Class's "Out of Vouge" 7", released in 1979 in DC and 1978 in California respectively, with Black Flag's "Nervous Breakdown" EP (1978) getting an honorable mention. The Germs seem to win the "record" for the first Hardcore record with their 1979 release "GI", which is arguably borderline, but in my opinion, fine and pure Hardcore.
Bad Brains
Middle Class
Black Flag
The Germs
Various scenes formed around these acts, each now meticulously documented. On the east coast you had the best of both words, with cokeheads Gang Green butting heads with "Straight Edge" movement bands like SS Decontrol and Minor Threat, while on the west you had the more political acts like Flipper and The Dead Kennedys, all of these bands spawning before or in early 1981, Bad Brains ruling the west coast completely and Black Flag taking over the west.
It would be in 1981 that various other niche bands would pop up, such as TSOL and their macho attitudes, The Misfits and their dyed hair, and Husker Du, the fastest band on the planet. It was from Husker Du's approach in particular that bands really uped the ante, and eventually melded with metal through Black Flag's Sabbath worship, forming acts such as DRI, and causing the creation of "NYHC" bands, which are ultimately crossover thrash metal bands. NYHC acts include Agnostic Front, Cro Mags, etc.
Minor Threat - Filler
Husker Du - Land Speed Record (Live Album)
Dead Kennedys - Well Paid Scientist
DRI - I'd Rather Be Sleeping
Gang Green - Sold Out
Descendents - Statue of Liberty
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And that's keeping it very, very, very short
Any questions?
Feel free to discuss anything past this. I don't really want to get into post-punk post hardcore, grindcore, or anything like that in the OP but go ahead and talk about it
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I started listening to hardcore about a month ago, those links you posted just saved me a lot of time
Black Flag are awesome, been listening to Damaged everyday for a while now
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Isn't the whole melodic hardcore OP-worthy? Bands like modern life is war, have heart, verse, and uk ones like dead swans, more than life? I'll try and write something later today, okay?
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If melodic hardcore counts I think Evergreen Terrace should be mentioned
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I wouldn't know how to classify them, they don't fit in with any of the bands I named.
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Mata Mata
Behead The Prophet No Lord Shall Live
Lords Of Lightspeed
Dystopia
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rise above, we're gonna rise above
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how does everyone feel about recent hardcore bands?
Trashtalk, Hand Of Mercy, 50 Lions, stuff like that
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What do you mean by recent? If you mean 2000s, I only heard stuff from Youth Attack when it comes to Hardcore.
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yeah that's what I meant
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Trash talk cool, really digging eyes and nines.
got to see 50 lions last year, seeing them again in july. good band, not anything like parkway drive (thank god), the singers are brothers.
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Yeah, I saw them last year too, but only like 30 seconds of their set then they finished playing
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Oh too bad. Where are you from?
When I saw them, two guys started fighting, then the security threw one of them out
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South Australia
My friend went into their pit and he got kicked in the head in less that 20 seconds.
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I don't like the mosh pits, to me it's all just showing off how hardcore you are.
And I don't like breakdowns, they're all exactly the same.
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let's not go into that, I don't Vedi think wants his hardcore thread to be filled with discussions on breakdowns and circle pits
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Good call, that's not what it's about.
Do you know Carpathian? Saw them three times, last time in February. Too bad they called it quits.
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No, what's their best album I'll give it a look
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Isolation is their latest lp, latest 7" was wanderlust. Both worth checking out. The stuff before that is different, not really into it.
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Definitely worth checking out:
More Than Life
Fairly new UK band, and their lp Love Let Me Go is one of the best hardcore records I've ever heard.
They've toured with Defeater, Dead Swans, Brutality Will Prevail...
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Well I don't really care, as long as it's not in reference to self proclaimed "post hardcore" bands. NYHC's 90s scene had plenty of that stuff and it was all good and well
As far as modern punk goes, I am more of a garage revival and noise punk kind of guy. The Arrivals, The Marked Men, and a shitload of japanese bands like Tsushimamire
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Great album. I think My War/Slip It In are my favorites
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I don't know any of those bands. Do you mean stuff like NOFX and Rancid?
I just wanted to get the true punk roots basics before it diverged into 100 different things down
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I mean just read the bottom of the OP, you can talk about whatever you want, I just wanted to write a short history
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Here's one of the great new japanese bands I'm talking about
You can hear a lot of early (real) post hardcore fugazi in there
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No, it's not punkrock. They are (were actually, most decided to call it quits) part of the 00s hardcore scene. Shall post some songs:
Have Heart - Watch Me rise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAva3WOpb28&
Modern Life Is War - D.E.A.D.R.A.M.O.N.E.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6U3vRGyE8w
Dead Swans - 20/07/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSuU19e13Dk
American Nightmare - AM/PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbTvVMd67k
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How has Black Flag not been posted yet? You guys are SLIPPING
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Well, they have been mentioned you know.
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SLIPPPpPING
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Read the OP
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excuse me sir i believe i did say "rise above, we're gonna rise above"
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and they're
you know
in the OP
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you didn't put the obviously superiour henry rollins era in the op
you put the smelly moris era in there
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Green Day is my favorite punk band
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my foot is your favourite ass uh
my foot your ass basically
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I guess they're too hardcore for you
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more like hardcore suck
hah yeah
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Yeah, I knew they were too extreme for you
Some of my favorite punk songs:
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well I was talking about early hardcore jesus i tried to avoid posting music by the same band twice
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lol get out of this thread
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please troll somewhere else ):
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PwnNoobsFtw, I love you.
Except Blink-182 is better then Green Day.
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Moris era is smelly
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trolling? i'm just telling the truth foo
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not you, the guy above my post
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you too
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First post in the the thread they were mentioned
also comparing 80s hardcore to 2000s or earlier hardcore, there's a huge difference. I bet everyone else knows this but I don't, to me 80s hardcore sounds more surfy, doesn't make any sense but that's what I think when I hear it
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keep in mind I bet you guys have been listening to this stuff for years and I started a month ago
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