1. Post #121
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    What mistakes did I make with the general anatomy? I will probably spot most of them after I start
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  2. Post #122
    Xephio's Avatar
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    short legs
    or weird legs
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  3. Post #123
    UpchuckNorris's Avatar
    April 2010
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    short legs
    or weird legs
    Shading should fix them

    Edited:

    I changed the shape slightly and found the problem
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  4. Post #124
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    You really should drop all of the unnecessary lines and try to have cleaner sketches.
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  5. Post #125
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    Some doodles
    My canvas is always in native resolution when I doodle, so I thumbnailed it
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  6. Post #126
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    You really should drop all of the unnecessary lines and try to have cleaner sketches.
    The sloppy lines help me fix the anatomy without tons of fuss, after that I usually make a nice clean trace

    Edited:

    Forgot to erase the grass
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  7. Post #127
    $$ ask me about drawing MLP porn requests $$
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    September 2010
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    you have way too many unnecessary scribbly lines because your strokes are too short.

    try to get some long fluent ones.

    Edited:

    first time drawing a pterodactyl. hell it's not even a pterodactyl but i'll fix it sometime. :/

    i'm like at 1/4 of the book, the rest will keep me busy till end of the month.
    and not to sound like i've mastered anatomy, but i'm clearly seeing improvements in my random pose sketches which i do every now and then.
    amazing how drawing from reference actually helps

    though i'll keep the sketches to myself till i really have something worht showing
    drawing from reference is the best practice you can ever get
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  8. Post #128
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    Some doodles

    My canvas is always in native resolution when I doodle, so I thumbnailed it
    Boli te kurac,a?
    Nice hands.
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  9. Post #129
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    September 2010
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    got alot of anatomy mistakes as well as perspective.

    how is your anatomy studies coming along
    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
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  10. Post #130
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    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
    its a pterodactyl, prehistoric badass
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  11. Post #131
    $$ ask me about drawing MLP porn requests $$
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    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
    does not fucking matter it should be based on basic anatomy and for the moment, it has none.
    even if that creature was real it wouldn't be able to function.

    anatomy SHOULD be applied to even made up shit

    Edited:

    making up creatures is not an excuse to draw poorly
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  12. Post #132
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    April 2010
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    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
    Look at the wings
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  13. Post #133
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    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
    Then you're stupid. Making up a creature does not allow you to ignore anatomy. That's just an excuse made by children and people who don't want to admit that they are bad.

    Anything and everything living is based on anatomy, no matter what.
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  14. Post #134
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  15. Post #135
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    September 2010
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    Then you're stupid. Making up a creature does not allow you to ignore anatomy. That's just an excuse made by children and people who don't want to admit that they are bad.

    Anything and everything living is based on anatomy, no matter what.
    What kinda facts are you pulling out your butt.

    H.R. Giger

    Google that name then go draw some more rats.

    Edited:

    Look at the wings
    I'm not talking about the drawing I'm talking about how you can point out something is anatomically incorrect, I could give a shit about the guy who drew it or what he drew.

    Point is this dinosaur thing should not be able to fly



    Yet it fucking does because *gasp* holy shit! its fantasy not reality.
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  16. Post #136
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    What kinda facts are you pulling out your butt.

    H.R. Giger

    Google that name then go draw some more rats.

    Edited:



    I'm not talking about the drawing I'm talking about how you can point out something is anatomically incorrect, I could give a shit about the guy who drew it or what he drew.

    Point is this dinosaur thing should not be able to fly



    Yet it fucking does because *gasp* holy shit! its fantasy not reality.
    It doesn't help that the picture is a trophy from ssbm where he's altered to actually fit on the screen.

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  17. Post #137
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    It doesn't help that the picture is a trophy from ssbm where he's altered to actually fit on the screen.

    oh okay you got me, not like he changes size in every game
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  18. Post #138
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  19. Post #139
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    oh okay you got me, not like he changes size in every game
    Well it can't be solved. In Prime they try to be realistic with him. In the NES games they make a cartoon character out of him.
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  20. Post #140
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    September 2010
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    Well it can't be solved. In Prime they try to be realistic with him. In the NES games they make a cartoon character out of him.
    sarcasm bro, my point is that there's no rules to art and people who say that there are are very much stupid.
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  21. Post #141
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    Wow that is where you are incredibly wrong.
    This entire thread contradicts what you just said: http://www.facepunch.com/threads/107...iation-Station
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  22. Post #142
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    September 2010
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    Wow that is where you are incredibly wrong.
    This entire thread contradicts what you just said: http://www.facepunch.com/threads/107...iation-Station
    Do you want me to post a monster with a penis for a head? Because I totally will, and the funny thing is you will recognize it.
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  23. Post #143
    dgg
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    What kinda facts are you pulling out your butt.

    H.R. Giger

    Google that name then go draw some more rats..
    I googled that name and all I see is anatomy all over the place.

    If you don't see incredible anatomical knowledge being used to form those creatures and surrealistic pieces, then you sir must be blind.

    Related although not to the subject of creatures:



    Knowing how the anatomy of the being you base your drawings off is the key element to make it successful. You don't just draw some fantasy stuff, you draw something that is deformed from anatomical structures keeping all the rules intact, but the looks different.
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  24. Post #144
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    Well I recognise the wings in the drawing and I recognise they ain't anatomically sound, will not work and you're using ~styling~ as an excuse for his incompetence. To stylise something, it HAS to be recognisably styled. Problem with that picture is it's not styled. He even said himself he's making anatomy studies and still needs work in them, you don't just go studying anatomy to then use it incorrectly and call it styling. Not saying that he's trying or not trying to style it, but you're using a bad excuse.
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  25. Post #145
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    I googled that name and all I see is anatomy all over the place.

    If you don't see incredible anatomical knowledge being used to form those creatures and surrealistic pieces, then you sir must be blind.

    Related although not to the subject of creatures:



    Knowing how the anatomy of the being you base your drawings off is the key element to make it successful. You don't just draw some fantasy stuff, you draw something that is deformed from anatomical structures keeping all the rules intact, but the looks different.
    See the thing is not everything has to have the shape of a human

    Take this



    Is it anything at all related to that graph?
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  26. Post #146
    dgg
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    See the thing is not everything has to have the shape of a human

    Take this



    Is it anything at all related to that graph?
    Wow, you can't even read my fucking post where it clearly says it's not related to the subject of creatures, but rather the subject of "HURR DURR STYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLEEEEE".

    It's related to the graph in the sense of following structures of living species. Those claws and arms as well as the neck is very anatomically correct.

    He's carefully planned just how that thing would even be able to live and walk, thanks to the knowledge of anatomy allowing him to place the limbs and muscles right in order to make it actually function and thus give a strong impact of actually being a being rather than a blob with sticks coming out of it.


    But I'll have to go to bed so I will have to continue this tomorrow, although unnecessary since you don't have the ability to read nor make good points, because so far you haven't proven me wrong in any way at all, you have just strengthened my points by showing works of a man that clearly knows his anatomy and sexual symbols.
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  27. Post #147
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    Wow, you can't even read my fucking post where it clearly says it's not related to the subject of creatures, but rather the subject of "HURR DURR STYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLEEEEE".

    It's related to the graph in the sense of following structures of living species. Those claws and arms as well as the neck is very anatomically correct.

    I just used a picture from the same google search as you did, bust you've seemed to have overlooked it to benefit your argument.

    And its anatomically correct in respects to what specific real life animal, its nothing but surreal art style, a style, just like "realistic" style. Your style argument is flawed seeing as realist style is also a style of art just like surrealist art style

    Edited:

    Well I recognise the wings in the drawing and I recognise they ain't anatomically sound, will not work and you're using ~styling~ as an excuse for his incompetence. To stylise something, it HAS to be recognisably styled. Problem with that picture is it's not styled. He even said himself he's making anatomy studies and still needs work in them, you don't just go studying anatomy to then use it incorrectly and call it styling. Not saying that he's trying or not trying to style it, but you're using a bad excuse.
    I've drawn creatures that I've purposefully made disproportionate because that is how I wanted them to be, even though from an anatomical perspective I've known to be flawed. Yet I do not seem to give even a slight fuck because that's how I wanted them to be in the first place.

    Point is even though what you have said that the illustrator was studying anatomy at the time does not directly tie to that drawing. Just because you know perfect anatomy does not mean you are now forced follow it every time.

    Edited:

    But I'll have to go to bed so I will have to continue this tomorrow, although unnecessary since you don't have the ability to read nor make good points, because so far you haven't proven me wrong in any way at all, you have just strengthened my points by showing works of a man that clearly knows his anatomy and sexual symbols.
    Admit it, you're just going to sleep 'cus that argument I've made knocked you out.
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  28. Post #148
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    Doodle of a bottle of Aquafina on my desk.
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  29. Post #149
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    Does anyone know how to fix a vector layer in photoshop, when it just won't move whatsoever? I've even tried duping the layer but the dupe doesn't move either.

    Edited:

    nevermind, it doesn't matter.

    I've spent absolutely fucking ages doing this; an obscene amount of time for something so simple :frown:

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  30. Post #150
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    @F1101011
    Poorly drawn anatomy =/= new anatomy. Say I want to draw a muscle or a skull on my own, made up creature. If I draw the muscle horribly skewed and mangled, the muscle I've drawn is not new anatomy. Granted you always can draw something that makes no sense and is obviously incorrect, but it never will be good.
    Your point on H.R. Giger was very incorrect/misinformed. He follows the rules of anatomy in every picture I saw. I think you are viewing this "rules of anatomy" as proportional accuracy concerning specific creatures.

    "I've drawn creatures that I've purposefully made disproportionate because that is how I wanted them to be, even though from an anatomical perspective I've known to be flawed. Yet I do not seem to give even a slight fuck because that's how I wanted them to be in the first place."

    You can draw a creature with enormous feet (for example) and still have in anatomically correct.
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  31. Post #151
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    without anatomy it is shitty because shit has no anatomy

    @ that one guy with the fnumbers
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  32. Post #152
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  33. Post #153
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    Much better than the first. Much more readable. I would take out the punctuation on the "Secure Specialist and Safe", it's a little distracting aesthetically unless you're going for the punchy end of sentence feel.

    regardless it's sharp looking.
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  34. Post #154
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    Admit it, you're just going to sleep 'cus that argument I've made knocked you out.
    Actually, I think it just bored him enough.

    Anyway, just because you made them disproportionate, doesn't mean they didn't have anatomy. Everything has proportion and balance. Everything is balanced. If you purposely drew it disproportionately that doesn't prove that you don't have to use anatomy, it only proves that you, yourself, can't use proportion/anatomy/etc.
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  35. Post #155
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    wow F11, why is it so hard to understand that anatomy does not have to be based on reality to be bad? Do you even know what anatomy is?

    [h2]Even if the characer is fictional, the anatomy can suck just like how the linework and shading can suck[/h2]
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  36. Post #156
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    I hate when people say something has anatomy mistakes when it clearly is a made up creature.
    I love how wrong you are.

    Edited:

    Point is this dinosaur thing should not be able to fly



    Yet it fucking does because *gasp* holy shit! its fantasy not reality.
    The thing is it looks believeable because it mimics human anatomy. Looks at the muscles. If it had no muscles and just thin lines, you would agree that it would look unrealistic.

    And just to clear this up, by using the word unrealistic I didn't mean the opposite of that would be photorealistic and not fantasy.
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  37. Post #157
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    I've noticed some stock arguments/counter arguments emerge

    A: It's a style
    B: You have to learn from life first
    A: *image*
    B: Practice anatomy -note: never specifies how, where to get resources or how to start, then again, they don't know if the person already knows about them, and A never asks, they just say this:
    A: sigh, I wish you said more than just that
    A: I'd like to see you do better
    B: You don't have to be a chef to know that the cooking is shit
    A: Yeah but you have to be a chef to know how to make good food to tell others how to make good food
    B: :raise:
    A2: That argument is getting old!
    A3: I don't listen to criticism from people who I don't respect!
    A: The anatomy is bad on purpose
    B1: That's implying you know how to draw proper anatomy in the first place
    B2: ANATOMY STILL FOLLOWS RULES EVEN WHEN IT'S BAD ON PURPOSE LOL
    B3: You do not know what anatomy is
    ^In this case A and B2 do not even understand what they're talking about.

    I could just refer people to this post from now on.
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  38. Post #158
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    Damn I'm rusty
    WIP as usual
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  39. Post #159
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    -snipple-
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  40. Post #160
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    Damn I'm rusty
    WIP as usual
    Looks good so far
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