1. Post #1561
    ThatDarnGrei's Avatar
    July 2010
    195 Posts
    whats your rate going to be breh
    ATF/IT
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  2. Post #1562
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    DamagePoint's Avatar
    January 2008
    4,661 Posts
    Is it true in the American Army if you're trained on more than two weapons systems you're a "Specialist"?
    Specialist in the Army is just the rank for an E4. The only difference between a specialist and a corporal is a corporal is technically a junior NCO, and can drop a lower ranking private in some circumstances.
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  3. Post #1563
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    PyroCF's Avatar
    June 2008
    7,198 Posts
    Urggh the American Army ranks system is big and confusing.
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  4. Post #1564
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    InvaderNouga's Avatar
    April 2006
    1,921 Posts
    Urggh the American Army ranks system is big and confusing.
    How so? I find it pretty easy to remember.
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  5. Post #1565
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    Urggh the American Army ranks system is big and confusing.
    The only branch I have trouble with is the airforce, and only after technical sergeant. The airforce gets all stupid and puts multiple ranks at E-7 through E-9. The could have kept it simple with warrant officers, but they didn't.
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  6. Post #1566
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    Hanley's Avatar
    June 2006
    152 Posts
    I had problems with AF E-7s and E-8s until I got to Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. We're here for pre-deployment training, and a bunch of air force eat in the same chow hall as us so sometimes I'll just sit down with some AF guys in the morning and shoot the shit. I know all the other enlisted and officer ranks though for each branch. Navy's a bit weird about officers.
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  7. Post #1567
    Imanoob's Avatar
    April 2010
    698 Posts
    Any Former or current M1 Abrams tankers here?I got a question,does the HEOR ammunition actually work? The Abrams seems to be lacking anti-infantry defence except for it's machine guns,i heard the HEOR ammunition is just the same as MP-AT except with a steel penetrator.
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  8. Post #1568
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    Hanley's Avatar
    June 2006
    152 Posts
    Are you refering to HEAT and SABOT rounds? I'm not a 19K myself, but one of the E5s in my unit was an M60 gunner for a while back in the day.
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  9. Post #1569
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    Linkage's Avatar
    June 2006
    958 Posts
    Alrighty, to further my question from before, how many weapon systems is your basic rifleman trained on in the Army?
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  10. Post #1570
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    Hanley's Avatar
    June 2006
    152 Posts
    From what I understand there's been a couple changes, but when I went throuh basic training we obviously had our M-16, and then there was a day spent on nothing but other types of weapons. We got to fire paint rounds from an M203, a pussy 9mm tracer from an AT-4 tube (the purpose is for those two is so you know how to operate/aim them), got to shoot some rounds from an M240B, an M249, and the good ol' M2 .50 cal. Any further training is depentdent on your unit, like on Friday I learned about the Mark-19. But we're going through pre-deployment training at the moment. For a deployment that isn't happening anymore lol.
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  11. Post #1571
    DreamCube360's Avatar
    April 2008
    207 Posts
    I enlisted with the Air Force a few months ago and I was almost immediately put into Mechanical Aptitude Area. Hopefully when I get down to basic there will be an opening for Aerospace Propulsion Apprentice.
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  12. Post #1572
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,204 Posts
    Need to get promoted to E2 next drill. I can only do 40 situps in a minute though. :saddowns:

    Memorized the Creed, Gen. Orders, know basic first aid, ran 14:25 on 2 mile and can pull off 60 pushups, but it's just those damn situps!!
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  13. Post #1573
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    Need to get promoted to E2 next drill. I can only do 40 situps in a minute though. :saddowns:

    Memorized the Creed, Gen. Orders, know basic first aid, ran 14:25 on 2 mile and can pull off 60 pushups, but it's just those damn situps!!
    I can't do many sit-ups, I can do 25 in a minute, and after that it hurts too much to stand up so I just lay there for a few minutes
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  14. Post #1574
    DreamCube360's Avatar
    April 2008
    207 Posts
    I can't do many sit-ups, I can do 25 in a minute, and after that it hurts too much to stand up so I just lay there for a few minutes
    I remember that at my last DEP call I did ~35 in a minute. They're definitely not my strong suit.
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  15. Post #1575
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    September 2006
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    Only thing I'm worried about is running. If it takes me about 9 minutes to run a mile, will that be good enough to pass the entry PT for the Marines?
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  16. Post #1576
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    I can't do many sit-ups, I can do 25 in a minute, and after that it hurts too much to stand up so I just lay there for a few minutes
    Sit ups is my strong point. Even though in the corps we do crunches we had to do situps for aircrew training since its a navy school. I got 174 in 2 minutes, I usually get around 120 crunches in a minute with 100 being a perfect score.

    The easiest way to get there is to just keep doing them. During commercials I'd lay on the floor and lock my feet under a couch and just start crunching away until commercials were over.

    Edited:

    Only thing I'm worried about is running. If it takes me about 9 minutes to run a mile, will that be good enough to pass the entry PT for the Marines?
    You need to be able to run 1.5 miles in less than 13 minutes, though most recruiting stations wont send you unless its under 11. Just keep going to your DEP PT sessions and you'll get there.
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  17. Post #1577
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    September 2006
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    Sit ups is my strong point. Even though in the corps we do crunches we had to do situps for aircrew training since its a navy school. I got 174 in 2 minutes, I usually get around 120 crunches in a minute with 100 being a perfect score.

    The easiest way to get there is to just keep doing them. During commercials I'd lay on the floor and lock my feet under a couch and just start crunching away until commercials were over.
    Seems like a good tactic, I'll try that
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  18. Post #1578
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,204 Posts
    Just do as many as you can whenever possible.

    Every time my game would load I would max myself out on pushups. Every time when there is a commercial break. Pushups.

    I used to max out on 20 a few months earlier, but now I can get 60+ down in two minutes.
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  19. Post #1579
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    Hanley's Avatar
    June 2006
    152 Posts
    It's kind of bassackward for me, I'm not so hot on pushups, but I can knockout sit ups and run like there's no tomorrow.
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  20. Post #1580
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    JeffAndersen's Avatar
    July 2008
    1,289 Posts
    Woah. You dissin' weapons? Aight, this is how it rolls. Weapons are awesome, crew chiefs clean up our mess, avionics makes sure our flyin' systems work, propulsion system maintainers make sure our weapon transport works, AGE maintainers make sure our missile movers work, ammo gives us our weapons (slowly), and pilots move our weapons from point a to point b. Weapons is one of the most important jobs in the Air Force and its a cool job at that.
    Hell yeah I'm dissin' weapons. You guys connect and disco weapon and then sit around. Can't have a plane without flight controls ;)

    Really though AGE sucks over anyone else.

    Edited:

    This one? http://www.airforce.com/careers/deta...onics-systems/

    I'm going to look into the AFROTC later as well, there are a good amount of colleges near me that have it, Boston University has it but that's expensive, Bridgewater State University is where one of my friend's brother goes I believe, and that's closer to me and also has AFROTC. That is much cheaper than the one in Boston. I'm in Massachusetts by the way, on Cape Cod.

    I'll have to think about what I really want to do.
    Yes that is my exact job although when I joined it was based on 3 types of avionics but apparently now your shred (like 2A3X1B) B now stands for a plane instead of "Instruments and Flight Controls")
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  21. Post #1581
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    For anyone interested
    This is a video on the first week of boot camp. The first person you hear talking is Ssgt Goldthwaite. He was my senior drill instructor in boot, to which he moved to become a chief drill instructor and finally an indoc drill instructor. You can tell he was a senor at one point by the black belt he wears instead of the normal modified duty belts DI's wear.
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  22. Post #1582
    WubWubWompWomp's Avatar
    June 2011
    1,479 Posts
    I don't understand the reason for that screaming, can someone explain?
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  23. Post #1583
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    Wealth + Taste's Avatar
    March 2011
    4,548 Posts
    The enemy is not nice. The DI is there to prepare you for the enemy. Therefore, the DI is not nice.
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  24. Post #1584
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    Jim_Riley's Avatar
    February 2006
    1,535 Posts
    I don't understand the reason for that screaming, can someone explain?

    To my understanding, it's a psychological motivation. Screaming in your face can either piss you off, annoy you, stress you or all of the above. The point of it then is acquaint yourself to working orderly, maintaining discipline within a stressful environment.

    Plus being the first week of boot, the DI's are expected to be hardasses to weed out those that really want to be a Marine and those that think it's going to be a summer camp. As the weeks go on, you'll eventually earn their 'respect' because you're getting closer to finally becoming a Marine.

    But that's from my own understanding and from the stories I've heard. I'm not in the military yet. Someone actually in the military right now should clarify better.
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  25. Post #1585
    Theo213's Avatar
    July 2008
    292 Posts
    I wonder if it's easier to understand half of the things they're saying in person.

    Edit: Never mind, It's somewhat easier to understand him this morning with my speakers on.
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  26. Post #1586
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    Here's a good example of what happens while in training when you mess up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=dJoeGvn6MAY
    >:( I don't know why the media tags don't work for this video
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  27. Post #1587
    Jherkin Gherkin
    Dennab
    October 2010
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    true classic
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  28. Post #1588
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    JeffAndersen's Avatar
    July 2008
    1,289 Posts
    The only branch I have trouble with is the airforce, and only after technical sergeant. The airforce gets all stupid and puts multiple ranks at E-7 through E-9. The could have kept it simple with warrant officers, but they didn't.
    O_o what are you talking about?

    Airman Basic, Airman, A1C / Staff Sgt, Tech / Master, Senior Master, and Chief Master Sergent.

    1-9 stripes. You guys on the other hand have all kinds of symbols and aren't corporal and specialist the same grade?

    Really, the only additional rank to E-7 through E-9 is if they're a First Sergeant and they just get the diamond. I spose there is the Command Chief Master Sergeant or the Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force but I mean.. I've only seen 1 Command Chief in the 2.5 years I've been in.
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  29. Post #1589
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    Phreebird's Avatar
    April 2009
    396 Posts
    Just found out I'm ineligible to join due to my asthma. It feels pretty shitty to have your dream taken away like that.
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  30. Post #1590
    Jherkin Gherkin
    Dennab
    October 2010
    12,198 Posts
    plenty of people with asthma have gotten in
    are you sure you can't?
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  31. Post #1591
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    plenty of people with asthma have gotten in
    are you sure you can't?
    He probably told them he had it. That's the only way they could know unless he had some sort of massive asthma attack while PTing infront of them.
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  32. Post #1592
    Jherkin Gherkin
    Dennab
    October 2010
    12,198 Posts
    oh no................................................
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  33. Post #1593
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    JeffAndersen's Avatar
    July 2008
    1,289 Posts
    He probably told them he had it. That's the only way they could know unless he had some sort of massive asthma attack while PTing infront of them.
    90% sure based on the avatar we told him not to tell anybody a few weeks back.
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  34. Post #1594
    WubWubWompWomp's Avatar
    June 2011
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    Here's a good example of what happens while in training when you mess up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dJoeGvn6MAY

    >:( I don't know why the media tags don't work for this video
    Didn't the lead drill sergeant or whatever in your video say "an arms distance away from drill instructors," but they were getting a hell of a lot closer than that, what's up with that?
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  35. Post #1595
    Don't Worry, I'm a Marine
    UncleJimmema's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,996 Posts
    Didn't the lead drill sergeant or whatever in your video say "an arms distance away from drill instructors," but they were getting a hell of a lot closer than that, what's up with that?

    There's rules in place that are stated to make mothers of america happy, usually they're not followed (which i am thankful for). Recruits on the other hand shouldn't even attempt to get that close on their own.
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  36. Post #1596
    mikadillio's Avatar
    November 2007
    589 Posts
    Off to meps tomorrow. Wish me luck.
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  37. Post #1597
    JDB
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    July 2007
    2,846 Posts
    mos 19k y/n?
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  38. Post #1598
    $$$Good News Everyone!$$$
    -Rusty-'s Avatar
    January 2007
    4,616 Posts
    mos 19k y/n?
    No.

    Any Former or current M1 Abrams tankers here?I got a question,does the HEOR ammunition actually work? The Abrams seems to be lacking anti-infantry defence except for it's machine guns,i heard the HEOR ammunition is just the same as MP-AT except with a steel penetrator.
    I'm a tanker, sorry for the late reply I don't come to this thread often.

    The new version is called the MPAT OR and it's replacing the old HEAT round. It's got a different design and now has a switch that can change it from ground/air. Although we've never had to attack an air target. I've also never had to shoot a round while on deployement, too much collateral damage. Tanks aren't very useful in an Iraqi city, or the mountains of Afghanistan. As far as anti-infantry goes, like you said we have our gunner's coax m240, loader's m240, and TC's(tank commander's) M2 .50 cal.

    Lacking anti-infantry my ass.
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  39. Post #1599
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    November 2009
    5,676 Posts
    Any suggestions for some exercises I could do each day to prepare my self for the military? I currently do sit ups and push ups every day, plus I am trying to get into the habit of running.
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  40. Post #1600
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    April 2006
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    Any suggestions for some exercises I could do each day to prepare my self for the military? I currently do sit ups and push ups every day, plus I am trying to get into the habit of running.
    You got the right idea, just run. You should be able to run a mile and a half in under 12 minutes before you get to boot camp. If you do you won't have any troubles at all. It also depends on which branch you're joining.
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