1. Post #121
    CondomUser 47's Avatar
    September 2010
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    Yeah, Scönberg talked about the "emancipation" (liberation) of the dissonance; it should be just as important as the consonance.
    And you gotta admit, it opens up a whole new world of possibilities, when you aren't bound to the original harmonization.

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  2. Post #122
    The Maestro's Avatar
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    Schoenberg went from being a composer I was outwardly opposed to to being one of my favorites

    His early tonal stuff is pretty good, too.

    Edited:

    Currently learning this by him:

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  3. Post #123
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    My favourite composers right now are Shostakovich, Chopin and William Byrd.
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  4. Post #124
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    Debussy's Clair de Lune
    Good interpretation here:

  5. Post #125
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    Very tasteful performance, it's a shame a lot of people don't listen to Debussy's orchestral work and instead just listen to his piano compositions, he composed a lot of his most famous piano pieces when he was still just a student.

  6. Post #126
    CondomUser 47's Avatar
    September 2010
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    Schoenberg went from being a composer I was outwardly opposed to to being one of my favorites

    His early tonal stuff is pretty good, too.

    Edited:

    Currently learning this by him:

    I think there is a quite similar major third running around in these two pieces...

    Edited:

    Just noticed I'm being an ass... Sorry, wasn't thinking.

  7. Post #127
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    April 2011
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    Very tasteful performance, it's a shame a lot of people don't listen to Debussy's orchestral work and instead just listen to his piano compositions, he composed a lot of his most famous piano pieces when he was still just a student.
    I've played 2 of his Nocturnes. For some trumped up reason the music institution that heads the program I was in decided not to hire a choir for Sirenes so I was only able to do Nuages and Fetes. :smith: I want to play Sirenes.
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  8. Post #128
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    I've played 2 of his Nocturnes. For some trumped up reason the music institution that heads the program I was in decided not to hire a choir for Sirenes so I was only able to do Nuages and Fetes. :smith: I want to play Sirenes.
    Are you at a conservatoire or something? I've got to apply to music courses soon and I'm not sure what to go for.

  9. Post #129
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    Are you at a conservatoire or something? I've got to apply to music courses soon and I'm not sure what to go for.
    Short answer: yes. Long answer: well, sort of. I wasn't in a conservatory as a college student, I was in the preparatory program of a conservatory. By the way I'm technically homeschooled, so the prep conservatory was only a weekly activity. I'm not exactly sure how music courses work as electives, and I'm definitely not sure how UK courses work.

  10. Post #130
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    Short answer: yes. Long answer: well, sort of. I wasn't in a conservatory as a college student, I was in the preparatory program of a conservatory. By the way I'm technically homeschooled, so the prep conservatory was only a weekly activity. I'm not exactly sure how music courses work as electives, and I'm definitely not sure how UK courses work.
    I'm guessing your ambitions are to become a professional classically trained musician?

  11. Post #131
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    I'm guessing your ambitions are to become a professional classically trained musician?
    That would make two of us, then. Although I'm more interested in conducting/composing.
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  12. Post #132
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    composed/recorded anything?

    Get a soundcloud so I can follow :3:

  13. Post #133
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    Well, currently I've only composed a few pieces, none of which are in a listenable state. I've considered getting a soundcloud before, I'll have to check it out.

  14. Post #134
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    in a listenable state.
    :colbert:

    Don't be like that... experimental is what I want to hear. And that is what you will give me. :smug:

  15. Post #135
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    :colbert:

    Don't be like that... experimental is what I want to hear. And that is what you will give me. :smug:
    I have several hundred unfinished music files. Most are under 5 seconds long, and the phrasing is terrible. (My main weakness is modal change. I cannot ever seem to be able to follow the classic Sonata form I V :|: V I. I end up staying in tonic forever :smith:)
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  16. Post #136
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    Were there any "conceptual" classical composers? Who were clear in what they were going to convey.

    Like Shakespeare but in music form.

  17. Post #137
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    I have several hundred unfinished music files. Most are under 5 seconds long, and the phrasing is terrible. (My main weakness is modal change. I cannot ever seem to be able to follow the classic Sonata form I V :|: V I. I end up staying in tonic forever :smith:)
    Modal transitions are fucking hard to get to sound good ;__;
    All I can manage compositional wise is between I and vi and between vi and V

  18. Post #138
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    Were there any "conceptual" classical composers? Who were clear in what they were going to convey.

    Like Shakespeare but in music form.
    Well Berlioz's 'Symophonie fantastique' was one of the first major orchestral works that conveyed a vivid story with a programme, but Vivaldi's four seasons is a much more basic take on programme music. Sorry if this isn't the sort of thing you're after, but Berlioz is a great composer and orchestrator.

    Edited:

    I have several hundred unfinished music files. Most are under 5 seconds long, and the phrasing is terrible. (My main weakness is modal change. I cannot ever seem to be able to follow the classic Sonata form I V :|: V I. I end up staying in tonic forever :smith:)
    I struggle with this as well, I started as a contemporary musician so my tonality was always really static but I've been trying to compose outside of that mindset recently, maybe try using 'romantic' chromatic chords to aid modulations?

  19. Post #139
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    Listening to my Brahms - Bruno Walter compilation. Sounds friggin' awesome.

  20. Post #140
    The Maestro's Avatar
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    What piece/orchestra?

    Another conductor you should check out is Herbert Von Karajan, awesome guy.

  21. Post #141
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    What piece/orchestra?
    urm... Symphony No. 1 in C Minor I think?

    That's off the top of my head too. :D

  22. Post #142
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    First symphony's good. Be sure to check out both his piano concertos, his third and fourth symphonies, and the tragic overture.

    Edited:

    Arturo Toscanini does a GREAT tragic overture, btw.
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  23. Post #143
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    Yes, I have Brahms' tragic overture by Bruno Walter. Can't wait to hear all the symphonies though, they're great listens imo.

  24. Post #144
    The Maestro's Avatar
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    If you like Brahms, you should check out Antonin Dvorak. In particular, Stabat Mater, 7th symphony and piano concerto.

    Wish I could recommend certain recordings but unfortunately with Dvorak I often don't have a preference :sigh:

  25. Post #145
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    I thought I'd finally follow up and post the slave songs that became what we now call blues and gospel. Obviously, as slaves sang these songs, as either secret codes to lead others on the way to freedom from slavery, or to keep them happy, they couldn't exactly write them down anywhere, since they hardly knew how to! So, I'll try my best to post versions that I find are very good versions of the songs. Most times, in the lyrics, you'll hear the coding. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot is obviously telling you to keep low, and carry on as the Underground Railroad will bring you "home" or to freedom. Follow The Drinking Gourd is about following the Big Dipper, which points to the North Star and meeting up with a mysterious conductor on the Underground Railroad known as Peg Leg Joe.

    Swing Low, Sweet Chariot-(As sung by Etta James)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thz1zDAytzU

    Follow The Drinking Gourd-(As sung by Richie Havens)
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    Go Down Moses- (Performed by...?)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp5Zd...eature=related
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  26. Post #146
    CondomUser 47's Avatar
    September 2010
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    I don't think a classical thread would be complete without this piece:

    It is truly narcissistic and pretentious, but at the same time it is the only piece in history that relies solely on the listeners interpretation of it.

  27. Post #147
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    So horribly pretentious, especially timing the movements.

  28. Post #148
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    Are there any classical artists that did unconventional things. Seems like a lot of what I'm hearing is too "complexly good sounding?"

  29. Post #149
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    Schoenberg was very unconventional, he just later on reformed his methods.

    Listen to Leo Ornstein, he rejected the idea that he had to write either dissonant pieces or "tonal" pieces and just wrote whatever he wanted. Also, Ligeti was a very unconventional composer, as was Sergei Prokofiev.
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  30. Post #150
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    Awesome, care to post an album or two. Place to start?

  31. Post #151
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    Well, here's Ligeti's Poem for 100 Metronomes which he wrote as a jab to his fellow Avant-Garde composers:


    And here's Prokofiev's Suggestion Diabolique


  32. Post #152
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    I like where this thread is going! Since we've gone through a lot more modern stuff, can we venture even further towards the present? If not then I'll put aside the James MacMillan and go way back with some Gregorian Chant! Not a great quality recording unfortunately but I love it's simplicity and it always leaves me with a very poignant calm feeling.


    Since it came up earlier, I was wondering how many composers we have here on facepunch? I applied as a long shot aside a regular university application to study composition at UK conservatories and was universally rejected... Was wondering if anyone else has applied/is studying/would like to study at conservatory? Definitely need to broaden my compositional horizons and where I live makes it quite difficult for me to do so.

  33. Post #153
    CondomUser 47's Avatar
    September 2010
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    While it is true that Schönberg revolutionized the way we compose music (the twelwe-tone method), he still tried to remain loyal to the great german tradition; he used the traditional forms: The adagio, scherzo, adagietto and so forth.

    Contrary to Schönberg were composers such as Charles Ives, Edgar Varese, Erik Satie and Karlheinz Stockhausen. They all wanted to change not only the way we compose music, but also the way we listen, think and perceive it.
    They were truly reformists, though I'm to lazy to post examples of all... (Also explore the relation between sound and music - there is much to be considered)

  34. Post #154
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    July 2009
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    I'm hoping to find some Minstrel's music to post here too. You know that during slavery, when Minstrels traveled about, they were at first all white and made fun of blacks, with many stereotypes. But, when there were some blacks who were free, who could sing well, or dance, or whatever, they would be accepted into Minstrelry groups. As accustomed, the white performers painted their faces black, but, get this, the blacks had to paint their faces too!

  35. Post #155
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    I can imagine in the 1800s them hillbilies plucking away.

    I need some of that stuff :D

  36. Post #156
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    March 2010
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    album
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  37. Post #157
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    Tchaikovsky is where its at
    Russian composition and music as a whole is where it is at. Then again, I love Western European music as well, but God damn the Rite of Spring is one of my favorite works.

    Edited:

    Are there any classical artists that did unconventional things. Seems like a lot of what I'm hearing is too "complexly good sounding?"
    There are plenty of composers throughout time that decided to break the rules. Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring caused a riot when it premiered at a French opera house. Atonal music, along with serialism, is something you should look into if you're looking for generally bat-shit insane music.
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  38. Post #158
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    I can imagine in the 1800s them hillbilies plucking away.

    I need some of that stuff :D
    I've been trying to find some more. I've got some chicken-pickin' on a song from South Carolina called Bee Gum. It's hard as fuck to find anything relating to Minstrel songs. Bee Gum luckily is because of the banjo-chicken pickin'.
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  39. Post #159
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    I seriously cannot find any albums of minstrel music. It's dumb, maybe that guy could release a few? :)

  40. Post #160
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    Are there any classical artists that did unconventional things. Seems like a lot of what I'm hearing is too "complexly good sounding?"
    An awful lot of it was just unconventional for the time and really forward thinking like beethoven. Shostakovich was really interesting because he had to try and compose around the communist government but would often hide codes in his music and produced some pretty dissonant stuff. But it's not all fucked up avant garde which I guess is your thing
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