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Contradictions sure but what is immoral varies from person to person and the Bible has been studies for generations upon generations. These people take this very seriously and these messages are definitely there on purpose as it's the entire point of the book.
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I grew up in a catholic family and did experience organized religion. Science and logic replaced my beliefs in the supernatural. The bottom line is just that there is no evidence for any of it whatsoever, and without evidence (and in the face of loads of contradictory evidence), there's no logical reason to believe in it anymore.
Yes scientists have gotten things wrong and that's the great thing about science. The information is always updating and refreshing our knowledge as opposed to a single textbook that never changes and threatens us with horrible consequences if we don't go along with the claims.
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No, it's just one of the three things needed to create an extremist. An extremist is not only religious, but as I already said, he's bloodthirsty and stupid. You see, religious people, angry people and stupid people are all equally easy to manipulate. And when you have all three in one person, you get an extremist. If such a person is told that he will go to heaven if he crashes a plane on a skyscraper, he will gladly agree. But if you tell just a simple religious person to kill somebody to go to heaven, they will disagree, because they're not that retarded.
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Because your brain thinks it exists or wants it to exist. Even if you yourself say "Luck doesn't exist", that may not be the case for all that grey matter in your head.
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Did you know that correlations are just observations in an experiment and there is no way to prove that one caused the other one.
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Why is Science allowed to continually evolve and adapt but somehow religion isn't? Scientific people a long time ago believed in spontaneous generation, does that mean that Science now is invalid? You're being illogical.
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Can you say the same about religion?
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I think that it's pretty fair to say that on a scientific basis you cannot prove that a god exists. I feel that proving to ones self that god exists is on a personal level of proof and entirely down to that persons interpretation of the idea.
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How many people ACTUALLY believe in what their religion tells them?
By ACTUALLY I mean read it, it made sense in your head, you thought of it multiple times, and came to the conclusion - "Yep, it's real."
Now, how many people were TOLD that it is real by someone and you just said "Cool, if *insert person here* said it's real, then it MUST be real".
Be as honest as possible.
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Study that passage and make it say that it is not right to own another human being as property.
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It is obvious that correlation =/= causation and you can never truly prove a scientific theory. But there is a thing called evidence.
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I have contemplated it many times, many times I have considered atheism, however on a personal level I felt that my religious beliefs were right.
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I only just got the Mass Debate joke. I feel stupid.
On topic:
I personally don't agree with the people who say that atheists view other people as just carbon based lifeforms in which chemical reactions take place, bla bla. Not true. Ask any Athiest what any other person is. The least they would say is 'a human being'. I think the argument that 'without god there are no morals' is totally defunct...
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The scientific method tries to create as much of a control environment as possible, meaning it tries to change as few variables as possible.
If these variables cause a specific change, it is noted down.
This process is then repeated with different variables until you see that, for example, the feeling of reward when you get praised for hard work has been shown to be caused by the brain releasing dopamine through loads of scientific research.
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Jesus' new covenant did away with much of the old law and said we should not live our life by the old testament
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Quite a lot of people on Facepunch have tried to argue that specifically.
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How did you begin believing what you believe in right now?
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Religion's response to evolution is still "god did it".. that's not adapting and evolving. They stick to one belief. Science would throw evolution out and test other theories if it was proved wrong. Religion will not agree to their belief being proven wrong and instead will just say "god did it".
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It does a really good job too but it just cannot prove every error and reasoning behind every decision we make. So some people (not me, because I actually agree with psychology) can say that god helped them make that decision.
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Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
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Science isn't about proving anything. It's about probability. If there is a pattern in something, such as placebo having an effect on a patient, it's probable that there is a correlation.
And yes, evolutionary psychology explains human behavior.
It uses evolution to EXPLAIN/IDENTIFY why humans behave the way we do. How can you not get this.
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Then you are missing the point of religion.
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Admittedly I was born into it, but that doesn't mean I just took it, I contemplated it many times, asked various questions, looked at other view points, but eventually on a level personal to me i came to conclusion that my religious beliefs were right.
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You're saying god suddenly changed his mind and wrote a new book with new rules to follow?
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Yeah we know how humans behave alright. We know all about it.
Anyway, God shouldn't really be worthy of all the discussion it sparks up in people like in here. It's very obvious that God is a product of the human mind, that's like common logic sense. And it's not really about scientific study either. We just happen to know so much about our world and the space it's miraculous!
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So, what if that happened again? If, for instance, some arabic dude named Mohammed, said that the New Testament was bull, what is the differance from him doing it and Jesus doing the same with the Old Tstament?
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"...and on the first day, man created god."
Anyhow, the bible itself really just seems like a bunch of "Chinese telephone" writings.
What one translator/copier saw wrote down, another didn't. And this has probably changed alot of the content in the past 2000 years.
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This thread is about proving things right?
Do you realize that the paragraph you posted says "seeks to identify"
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For anyone using the Bible as a source of anything in an argument, have a watch: (all of the sources are in the description of the video)
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When I was younger, I used to think God was just a head and two hands (sort of like Rayman) that made humans on his laptop and then pressed a button to put them on the Earth
Did anyone else have weird ideas like that? One person I knew viewed him as a badger on a beachball....
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no this thread is about the logic of it.
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We can simulate "living things" with computer. And we are their gods.
What if we really live in simulation and they don't really watch us all the time, just peek from time to time?
But we will never know, so it's better to live as if there is no gods.
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Now you're just not making any sense.
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Against or for? Personally if you argue for I don't understand how you could possibly think that.
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There is no logic behind it though.
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I see... I guess for some people it is harder to find their true beliefs. Seems perfectly logical judging by the fact that everyone is different. I recommend attempting to research and trying your best to find the thing you believe in THE MOST by turning over a new leaf and attempting to scrap your current beliefs all together.
Edit: It's worth it. Not only did it change my views on religion, but it changed my view on life completely. It feels like I wasn't myself until I realized what I truly believe in.
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I don't even get what your argument is.
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Evolution challenges faith - "God created evolution"
Discovery of fossils proving earth is older than 6000 - "God put them there to test us"
That isn't evolving/adapting your beliefs, that's making up excuses.
Anyway I need to go for a bit ill be back later.
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Join the club.
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There is no logic behind religion like there is no logic behind every human thought. We have psychology which seeks to understand human behavior but it still cannot explain everything. Just like how theories about how the universe were created cannot be proven, that is my opinion of why people believe in religion.
