1. Post #41
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    not at all, but having a whole class devoted to it is just silly.
    If anything it should be covered in Sex Ed, just a simple explanation that homosexuality isn't a bad thing, it's just what some people are into.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with information about homosexuality being taught in schools, children/ teens tend to be more accepting of new ideas than older people, and hearing it come from their primary source of knowledge (their teacher) would enforce that it is something they should know. It might help lower the prejudice homo/bi-sexuals suffer in some cases.

  2. Post #42
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    I agree. There is no place in school for teaching about sexual preference. Sexual preference is a decision much like religion for people to make.
    Both religion and sexual preference should be taught in school so children can learn to tolerate other's way of living.

  3. Post #43
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    I think teaching helps with accepting homosexuality, and making it easier for scared actually realizing that there's nothing wrong with being gay.

    It should just be a part of sexual education.

  4. Post #44
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    Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.

  5. Post #45
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    Where did you get "black history"? Racism is not all about blacks.
    Sure, they can teach black history, but as history.

    They can teach how they were repressed in the past, but they don't need to say "black people are different, but you shouldn't hate them for it because that's racism and racism is bad", just like they don't need to explain homosexuality like it's a special trait that you need to take special measures to avoid hating.

    By mentioning how black people / homosexual people are different they don't help make it seem like a normal thing that is acceptable in the modern society.
    sorry, but ignoring problems don't make them go away.

  6. Post #46
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    Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.
    Why would you keep anything sex related out of middle school? Kids need to learn this shit to avoid getting a weird view on sex from porn and shit.

  7. Post #47
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    This is dumb. It's not like they're promoting homosexuality, guys. They're putting the history of the LGBT rights movement into their curriculum and making sure gay kids have resources so they don't get bullied and kill themselves.

  8. Post #48
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    sorry, but ignoring problems don't make them go away.
    Okay, I may be extremely weird but I didn't even think that it's possible to be racist until school mentioned it. They're just differently colored people, or in this case people that like the same gender.
    If people are actually born racist/homophobic and need special education to learn that you're not supposed to be one, then you're right.

  9. Post #49
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    Okay, I may be extremely weird but I didn't even think that it's possible to be racist until school mentioned it. They're just differently colored people, or in this case people that like the same gender.
    If people are actually born racist/homophobic and need special education to learn that you're not supposed to be one, then you're right.
    Indeed. Children don't see the difference untill they are screwed up by their parents.

  10. Post #50
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    Indeed. Children don't see the difference untill they are screwed up by their parents.
    In that case, school isn't going to help.
    "Pa, the teacher says homosexuals are not different from us and should be treated equally"
    "Well your teacher is lying to you, homosexuals are evil because (X) and you should hate them"
    And nothing changes.

  11. Post #51
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    don't advocate or shun it
    just tell it exists, and normal it is is up to you

    Edited:

    In that case, school isn't going to help.
    "Pa, the teacher says homosexuals are not different from us and should be treated equally"
    "Well your teacher is lying to you, homosexuals are evil because (X) and you should hate them"
    And nothing changes.
    it's not the teacher's job to raise the kid

  12. Post #52
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    Sounds like something to throw in with sex ed, but teaching it in regular classes alienates them even more if they're designated a special day

  13. Post #53
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    it's not the teacher's job to raise the kid
    Not saying it is, I'm saying that unless people are born racist (which I doubt) it's a lost cause trying to teach them not to be, as children will listen to their parents / friends over their teacher.

  14. Post #54
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    If it is considered as something normal and not out of the ordinary, then why make it extraordinary by advocating it on schools? Just let kids be kids, don't confront them with something that wasn't an issue in the first place.

  15. Post #55
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    Not saying it is, I'm saying that unless people are born racist (which I doubt) it's a lost cause trying to teach them not to be, as children will listen to their parents / friends over their teacher.
    well then that's just how it has to be. you can't go around telling society what to do. what seems right to some might be totally off to others.

  16. Post #56
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    well then that's just how it has to be. you can't go around telling society what to do. what seems right to some might be totally off to others.
    Which leads me back to my first point: trying to fight it will either do nothing or make it worse.

  17. Post #57
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    Which leads me back to my first point: trying to fight it will either do nothing or make it worse.
    exactly. so let it change on its own.

  18. Post #58
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    don't advocate or shun it
    just tell it exists, and normal it is is up to you
    What's wrong with advocating treating homosexuals as equals?

    Or are you saying they shouldn't advocate homosexuality as being "better" than heterosexuality? If so, that's a nonsensical argument that pretty much no one (especially not teachers) makes.

  19. Post #59
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    What's wrong with advocating treating homosexuals as equals?

    Or are you saying they shouldn't advocate homosexuality as being "better" than heterosexuality? If so, that's a nonsensical argument that pretty much no one (especially not teachers) makes.
    that's really taking my point and running with it
    it's just better that way. it provides less of an uproar while still acknowledging that they do, in fact exist

  20. Post #60
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    Keep it out of pre-school, elementary school, and Intermediate school. Same as you would keep anything sex related out of those grade ranges.
    This is a terrible idea.

    Do you know how many kids have sex before they are 14? A lot.

  21. Post #61
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    I think teaching homosexuality in school (during sex ed I guess) is a good idea. First of, you would decrease drastically homophobia, even if the kid has homophobic parents (at 14 you start questioning your parents' opinion, if people give you another way to think). Second, it would help a lot of kids admitting and understanding who they are - Homosexuality is a personal issue because it might push the kid into denial, given he actually is gay/a lesbian, which is mainly caused by all the social pressure put on gays and the way they are pictured as "other people". Once again, at 14, it's essential that your sexual life has to be as clear as possible and that you have to accept what you like, should it be the other or the same sex.

    I know that because we didn't have anything related to homosexuals in our sex ed, and until last years of highschool a lot of kids were still either in denial of their own homosexuality, or didn't even want to approach admitted or supposed homosexual - it's only near end of highschool and starting of university that some of them start befriending homosexuals, just like other human beings. And it's only a little portion of people who started homophobic in the first place.

    Now I know that a lot of people might (stupidly) think that teaching homosexuality to kids might make Homosexuality better than Heterosexuality in their mind or that they could actually turn homo by learning about it, thus homosexuality shouldn't be taught, especially if we're supposed to tell it's equal to homosexuality. First of, that's bullshit - kids don't turn instantly gay because you mention it, adolescence is an age of sexual discovery and some might wonder who they really love, it's normal. Second, homosexuality might have to be treated as heterosexuality, but it's not normal in itself. Something that is normal is something that sticks to the norm and is what you would expect from a human being. Human beings are sexually defined mammals, they are classified by their sex, either female and male, and as such, are expected to have sex with the member of the opposite gender in order to give birth and perpetuate the species. Thus, homosexuality isn't part of normality - as much as contraception isn't technically normal, though it's still accepted, and so should be homosexuality (which doesn't mean every "abnormal" thing should be tolerated - being batshit insane to the point of being a threat to other people isn't normal and shouldn't be tolerated nor accepted as it is).

  22. Post #62
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    I don't think they should teach students about sex in schools at all. Let the internet teach them.

  23. Post #63
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    that's really taking my point and running with it.
    it's just better that way. it provides less of an uproar while still acknowledging that they do, in fact exist
    So you'd rather pander to bigots in order to avoid addressing the issue in an educational environment?

    Should we have avoided discussing inter-racial couples or equality of the races in the past. We did do this, but do you think it was the right choice?

  24. Post #64
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    I would say they should just tell kids about, just so it is not an unknown. Just because the facts could prevent myths that would be of harm to homosexuals.

  25. Post #65
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    So you'd rather pander to bigots in order to avoid addressing the issue in an educational environment?

    Should we have avoided discussing inter-racial couples or equality of the races in the past. We did do this, but do you think it was the right choice?
    again, you're taking my point and running with it
    as of now, it's still a touchy issue. there's no reason in starting a shitstorm. people will grow out of this, it just takes time. just keep the political bias out of schools.

  26. Post #66
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    again, you're taking my point and running with it
    as of now, it's still a touchy issue. there's no reason in starting a shitstorm. people will grow out of this, it just takes time. just keep the political bias out of schools.
    You can't expect thing to change if you don't trigger the movement in the first place.

  27. Post #67
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    It's in the criteria for sexual education in schools down here in Australia, and it's very well done. It doesn't take up the whole criteria but it's still taught fairly extensively, primarily just so students should accept homosexuals as equals. Sadly, not many people care about it and remain incredibly homophobic.

    Also sadly for me, when offending someone I sometimes catch myself calling them a faggot, which is rather homophobic. I do believe in homosexuals being equal but I guess society has embedded shit like this into me.

  28. Post #68
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    I don't think they should teach students about sex in schools at all. Let the internet teach them.
    This is a bad idea, a very, very bad idea.

  29. Post #69
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    Children shouldn't be told what's right or wrong (because neither sexual preference is "bad", idiots just like to think like that because it's weird to them) , it's for them to decide.

    Just my two cents.

  30. Post #70
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    You can't expect thing to change if you don't trigger the movement in the first place.
    the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.

  31. Post #71
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    It's in the criteria for sexual education in schools down here in Australia, and it's very well done. It doesn't take up the whole criteria but it's still taught fairly extensively, primarily just so students should accept homosexuals as equals. Sadly, not many people care about it and remain incredibly homophobic.

    Also sadly for me, when offending someone I sometimes catch myself calling them a faggot, which is rather homophobic. I do believe in homosexuals being equal but I guess society has embedded shit like this into me.
    I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention. Especially when they act like it's absolutely normal and, even worse, that they aren't doing anything special. As I said before, homosexuality might be accepted (which I support), it will never be perfectly normal from a very logical, physical point of view, and behaving like an annoying girl doesn't make you any more normal or less annoying than the girl you're copying in the first place.

    Edited:

    Children shouldn't be told what's right or wrong (because neither sexual preference is "bad", idiots just like to think like that because it's weird to them) , it's for them to decide.

    Just my two cents.
    For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about.

    Edited:

    the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.
    You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.

  32. Post #72
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    I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention.

    Edited:



    For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about.

    Edited:



    You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.
    No, you don't have to tell them because they will learn it themselves.

  33. Post #73
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    It should be integrated into Teen Living, or Social Awareness classes instead of just a separate class all by itself.

  34. Post #74
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    I still use faggot as an insult to homosexuals who overact and show off all the time. Like walking like a girl, keeping your and in mid air while walking, talking while pucking your lips and using handbags to the point where you wonder if he's not doing that for mere attention.

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    For them to decide you have to tell them it exists as well, or else homosexuality will still be that odd thing fox news is ranting about.
    Wait, people still use faggot as a derogatory term against gays? I just calls people faggots, y'know, when they're being faggots.

    This is basically my opinion:

  35. Post #75
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    You don't trigger a movement in a generation then avoid talking about it to the next one, it will just stop it because no one will live to keep going on the road of progress.
    this is just rhetoric

  36. Post #76
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    No, you don't have to tell them because they will learn it themselves.
    Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with.

    Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results.

    School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them.

    Edited:

    this is just rhetoric
    Progress is made through several generations, nothing had suddenly exploded without any prior reason or clue. Arab revolutions took several generations of protesting to really start, the segregation in the US only stopped after several generations of slavery and protests, etc etc.

  37. Post #77
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    Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with.

    Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results.

    School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them.
    i'm going to step in and call bullshit on that
    i was watching much a couple of weeks ago, and they were talking about how "oh, zebras do it, giraffes do it, who's unnatural now?" i was thinking, "seriously, guys?" but really it shows that the message is going out there

  38. Post #78
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    If homosexuality is a taboo that's because people didn't talk about it in the first place. You don't break a taboo without talking about it, especially without talking about it with the youth that will be our future.

  39. Post #79
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    If homosexuality is a taboo that's because people didn't talk about it in the first place. You don't break a taboo without talking about it, especially without talking about it with the youth that will be our future.
    that's implying that kids are capable of fully thought out decision making, and that they don't have ideologies already screwed into their heads

  40. Post #80
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    My opinion; teach it. Let the children know that a man can love a man, and a woman can love a woman, as well as teaching them that bullying somebody for their sexual orientation is wrong and should be punished.