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    Smug Bastard's Avatar
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    I noticed there weren't any threads on this so I decided to make one. What did you guys think?

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    We should continue to have a monarchy.

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    I assure you not all of them are evil, misguided, fag-hating, anti-science bigots. Just look at me, my best friend is homosexual and liberal.
    But seriously, we're not all that bad.

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    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
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    I assure you not all of them are evil, misguided, fag-hating, anti-science bigots. Just look at me, my best friend is homosexual and liberal.
    But seriously, we're not all that bad.
    And for what reason would you honestly support the GOP at this point in time?

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    And for what reason would you honestly support the GOP at this point in time?
    because the gop wants low taxes and taxes r ewil its true ronald reagan told me

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    I personally think the only somewhat respectable candidate at this point is Ron Paul. He's not trying to get evolution taken out of our biology textbooks, or ban pornography, or whatever stupid campaigns everyone else is coming up with.

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    OvB
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    I personally think the only somewhat respectable candidate at this point is Ron Paul. He's not trying to get evolution taken out of our biology textbooks, or ban pornography, or whatever stupid campaigns everyone else is coming up with.
    I don't think i've heard them say they want to completely remove evolution. Thought it was only have creationism taught side by side. Though I wouldn't doubt Bachmann saying something stupid like that.

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    everything i heard was awful

    It's kind of disgusting just how entwined the republican party and fox/conservative media are. You listen to one candidate and they say the same thing that Hannity says on Fox and Neal Boortz says on the radio. It's essentailly one entity.

    and they think the democrats have big government

    Edited:

    I personally think the only somewhat respectable candidate at this point is Ron Paul. He's not trying to get evolution taken out of our biology textbooks, or ban pornography, or whatever stupid campaigns everyone else is coming up with.
    paul is objectively an idiot on social and foreign policy

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    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    We should continue to have a monarchy.
    That isn't relevant to the debate.

    I assure you not all of them are evil, misguided, fag-hating, anti-science bigots. Just look at me, my best friend is homosexual and liberal.
    But seriously, we're not all that bad.
    This doesn't add anything to the discussion. Surely anyone who believes the Republican stereotype are themselves bigots.

    And for what reason would you honestly support the GOP at this point in time?
    Can't really see any reason at all for supporting Democrats either. The best situation I could see happening is the GOP getting voted in and then the antiwar left coming back from its slumber and forcing an end to these wars and the repeal to the Patriot act.

    Really the only candidates I can support at all are Johnson and Paul, and they are libertarians running on the Republican platform, which is the closest to third party you can get.

    because the gop wants low taxes and taxes r ewil its true ronald reagan told me
    Not only are you not capable of understanding why the GOP would want to lower taxes, but you aren't capable of typing a coherent sentence.

    I personally think the only somewhat respectable candidate at this point is Ron Paul. He's not trying to get evolution taken out of our biology textbooks, or ban pornography, or whatever stupid campaigns everyone else is coming up with.
    Garry Johnson is pretty respectable and is very similar to Paul. People tend to forget about him because the media does.

    I don't think i've heard them say they want to completely remove evolution. Thought it was only have creationism taught side by side. Though I wouldn't doubt Bachmann saying something stupid like that.
    A good number of the candidates support the local community deciding this as opposed to the Federal Government. So you might have a vote in your state or local community to decide. Their idea is that the more local, the better. The majority of them believe this if I remember right from one of the debates, though I do believe Bachmann and Pawlenty did not.

    everything i heard was awful

    It's kind of disgusting just how entwined the republican party and fox/conservative media are. You listen to one candidate and they say the same thing that Hannity says on Fox and Neal Boortz says on the radio. It's essentailly one entity.

    and they think the democrats have big government

    Edited:


    paul is objectively an idiot on social and foreign policy
    This is quite an awful post as you aren't really saying anything. Make an argument. More specifically, what is wrong with Ron Paul's social and foreign policy? Go into detail, as just calling it stupid only gives information about your opinion.

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    It's kind of disgusting just how entwined the republican party and fox/conservative media are. You listen to one candidate and they say the same thing that Hannity says on Fox and Neal Boortz says on the radio. It's essentailly one entity.
    Good grief, it's almost as if the Republicans all have the same political views! Why, they ought to join together in a group... maybe we could call it a 'party'!

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    Really the only candidates I can support at all are Johnson and Paul, and they are libertarians running on the Republican platform, which is the closest to third party you can get.
    I've heard Gary Johnson say some things I agree with, and a lot of things I disagree with. The things I agree with tend to be me liking his intent or liking a non-specific statement, where as the things I disagree with are very specific.

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    Conservative Cunt who fucking loves piss
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    I don't think i've heard them say they want to completely remove evolution. Thought it was only have creationism taught side by side. Though I wouldn't doubt Bachmann saying something stupid like that.
    This is how it works man.

    They could never make that jump to having evolution NOT taught, and creationism taught. So they try to get them both. They would absolutely LOVE to have just creationism taught.

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    We should continue to have a monarchy.
    I'm a republican so I prefer having the head of state elected. Having heriditary positions is undemocratical and antiquated.

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    This is how it works man.

    They could never make that jump to having evolution NOT taught, and creationism taught. So they try to get them both. They would absolutely LOVE to have just creationism taught.
    I think their actual goal is to make schools private so schools have the option to teach religion, not to actually force it in schools.

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    Conservative Cunt who fucking loves piss
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    I think their actual goal is to make schools private so schools have the option to teach religion, not to actually force it in schools.
    mmm I dunno... Seems like they have TWO goals
    1. Make 'em private
    2. Make 'em all teach Creationism

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    I'm a republican so I prefer having the head of state elected. Having heriditary positions is undemocratical and antiquated.
    I'd rather not see Gingrich elected for that reason. He's a career politician, which is the modern equivalent to royalty. As far as I'm concerned, they live their entire lives learning how to order people around.

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    I'm a republican so I prefer having the head of state elected. Having heriditary positions is undemocratical and antiquated.
    I presume you mean "Republican" in the sense that you want a republic to be the type of country you live in, not "American Republican".

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    I'd rather not see Gingrich elected for that reason. He's a career politician, which is the modern equivalent to royalty. As far as I'm concerned, they live their entire lives learning how to order people around.
    Then you might as well just not vote, they're all career politicians.

    Many of them just happen to be bad at it.

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    Then you might as well just not vote, they're all career politicians.

    Many of them just happen to be bad at it.
    And then someone you want even less gets elected anyway?

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    And then someone you want even less gets elected anyway?
    They're both career politicians, following his logic he should still not vote at all.

    I'm pointing out that not electing people because being a politician is their career isn't exactly sound logic.

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    Conservative Cunt who fucking loves piss
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    I'm a republican so I prefer having the head of state elected. Having heriditary positions is undemocratical and antiquated.
    We're discussing the American Republican Party, which is associated with social and economic conservatism, e.g. churches, low taxes (esp. on the rich), etc.

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    They're both career politicians, following his logic he should still not vote at all.

    I'm pointing out that not electing people because being a politician is their career isn't exactly sound logic.
    Ah, I see.

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    They're both career politicians, following his logic he should still not vote at all.

    I'm pointing out that not electing people because being a politician is their career isn't exactly sound logic.
    I'm much more interested in people who have had success in the "real" world, like Romney or Cain. Ideally though, I'd like to see Ron Paul win.
    In my mind, Bachmann is just as bad as Obama, and Gingrich can't even keep his campaign out of debt.

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    I'm much more interested in people who have had success in the "real" world, like Romney or Cain. Ideally though, I'd like to see Ron Paul win.
    In my mind, Bachmann is just as bad as Obama, and Gingrich can't even keep his campaign out of debt.
    So you mean you want them to have some form of real world business experience? That's a little more understandable.

    I can agree with this, although that alone doesn't make them good politicians (Some business owners are clinically insane) however I am wholly aware of the "academic" problem. I don't really like academics who have never had any real career to speak of talking down on people in the real world. They're secluded and buried in theory.

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    I'm much more interested in people who have had success in the "real" world, like Romney or Cain. Ideally though, I'd like to see Ron Paul win.
    In my mind, Bachmann is just as bad as Obama, and Gingrich can't even keep his campaign out of debt.
    Did you seriously just say that Bachmann and Obama are on the same level of bad?

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    Personaly, I am really tired of being called an evil racist bigot for not wanting welfair.

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    Did you seriously just say that Bachmann and Obama are on the same level of bad?
    They're both extremely incompetent, so yes, I did.

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    Personaly, I am really tired of being called an evil racist bigot for not wanting welfair.
    You know the solution to that, don't you?

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    Did you seriously just say that Bachmann and Obama are on the same level of bad?
    They may as well be. Bachmann for being batshit insane and Obama for sucking her and other republicans' metaphorical dicks.

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    Personaly, I am really tired of being called an evil racist bigot for not wanting welfair.
    You may want to learn how to spell welfare before pulling a persecution complex.

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    You may want to learn how to spell welfare before pulling a persecution complex.
    It doesn't invalidate his point.

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    It doesn't invalidate his point.
    His point is an insane exaggeration. I haven't seen anyone call him an "evil racist bigot" for not wanting welfare, but he has quite a few posts so I guess I don't know every single one. If anyone's calling him a racist or a bigot, it's probably in a scenario like this:
    *news article about a minority committing a crime of any sort*

    "Hey, isn't it odd that it's always the [minority group] doing these things!"
    Not to be specific, but a situation like that.

  34. Post #34
    I'd be lost in this world without my Hatsune Miku ^__^
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    Because the trickle down effect totally works.

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    Republicans in the U.S. are too stereotyped to usually be discussed with any kind of civility on the Internet. Because on the Internet, different views=stupid and backwards.

    Gave up a long time trying to advocate conservative views anywhere on the Internet, but the lack of flaming and relative balance in this thread so far makes it feel a bit safer.

    Republicans just need to loosen up on some key things in order to gain popular support and the support of a more educated, younger population. I consider myself very far right, but i'm open minded and not ignorant to how the world works. So let me throw out my views, as a Republican, and what I think the GOP should change about how it treats them. I'll also throw in some important conservative views I think need no change at all.

    1) Gay Marriage/Homosexual Rights- The first thing that comes to mind for conservative bashers. As a Christian, I don't recognize marriage as being between two people of the same sex, and traditional Christians believe homosexuality is wrong. However, that should have absolutely nothing to do with what my political views are. Homosexuals should be denied no rights heterosexuals have, and the GOP pushing the view that they SHOULD be denied any rights is going to turn more and more into an intensely punishing negative with coming generations.

    2)Taxes/Government Spending- Government in my opinion should be run as a business. Irresponsible spending hurts the economy in the long run, which in turn hurts tax income which just makes the situation more painful. Social Security and Medicare are outdated programs that need serious revamps. I don't think they should be removed, but if they aren't fixed and saved from becoming bigger money sinks than they already are there won't be much alternative. I don't have much problem with the current tax rate on poor/middle class/wealthy, although there are many loopholes that need to be closed to prevent the wealthy from dodging their fair share.

    3)Defense Spending/Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan- The wars need to be ended. Not irresponsibly so, but they do need to end. With those wars over, defense spending should level out and be reduced to more reasonable levels. I don't pretend to know much about how much money we need to do what defense-spending wise so I won't say much here. Best way I can sum it up is the ounce of prevention (aka billions in spending) is worth a pound of cure (unthinkable consequences of being unprepared, militarily) quote.

    There are a couple other issues I could throw out, such as gun control and the teaching of creationism in schools but those are such opinion-oriented issues that there's not much point in spelling them out. Hopefully i've been useful in some way. And if anyone cares, I support Romney in the coming elections. He's not a career politician, he's a successful businessman (which we need to run the government right now), he seems very in touch, and has proven to be able to reach across party lines to do what needs to be done (Romneycare, etc). I think Bachmann and Palin are embarassments to the party and are not so much invested in the political aspect as the old fashioned fame and power of the whole thing. Glenn Beck is also an embarrassment to Republicans. I was also never a big fan of McCain, and I think Perry is way too extremist in some respects to be elected president. I'd still take him over Obama though.

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    Because the trickle down effect totally works.
    What does this have to do with anything?

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    His point is an insane exaggeration. I haven't seen anyone call him an "evil racist bigot" for not wanting welfare, but he has quite a few posts so I guess I don't know every single one. If anyone's calling him a racist or a bigot, it's probably in a scenario like this:


    Not to be specific, but a situation like that.
    I've been called racist for not liking Obama.
    People tend to throw out the race card because they often have no clue how to argue their side, or they use it in a desperate attempt to make their opponent look bad.

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    I'd be lost in this world without my Hatsune Miku ^__^
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    What does this have to do with anything?
    A general idea a lot of republicans hold are that tax breaks for the rich work because when they are out spending money it trickles down to everyone else.

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    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    Here's an interesting study.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr169.pdf

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    I've been called racist for not liking Obama.
    People tend to throw out the race card because they often have no clue how to argue their side, or they use it in a desperate attempt to make their opponent look bad.
    It depends on what he says his reason is.

    For example, a lot of Fox News comments are disparaging of Obama in a racist way.

    The constant "ape" remarks, the various racist nicknames (Obongo and the like), I mean it's in pretty plain sight elsewhere.

    Edited:

    From their about us page:
    "Broad Bases and Low Rates: As a corollary to the principle of neutrality, lawmakers should avoid enacting targeted deductions, credits and exclusions. If such tax preferences are few, substantial revenue can be raised with low tax rates. Broad-based taxes can also produce relatively stable tax revenues from year to year."

    So they're "fair tax" supporters. Lovely.