i mean people don't do anything to earn streetlights, police departments, or water either yet for some reason we have that.
Private charities, and even state run programs will feed, and house the very poor. They don't need a cent of my money, unless I wish to give it to them.
Imagine if you were next to some homeless guy, and suddenly someone pulled a gun on you, forcing you to give whatever percent of you money to the homeless person for no reason. It is the same when the goverment does it, just they will send you to jail, not shoot you.
if you drive to work other people paying the taxes for the road maintenance allowed you to go to work. if you use public transportation you used other people's money to use it. a job you worked at is likely there due to incentives or contracts given from other people's money that you benefited from.
And no, charities have not and will not support the poor to an extent that allows them to live in a real way.
But really a world where the poor and disabled can't get there needs would be bad on everyone. The poor would have to steal to survive and crime would raise to extremes.
second of all generally a society that gives out welfare is better for everyone because the bullshit assumption is that people will go to work without welfare. that's not true. welfare doesn't last forever, it's a temporary crutch and what it does is it prevents society from falling into a deeper level of poverty which has huge strains for everyone.
basically if other people's lives get fucked over because they have no money and can't get welfare, it'll reflect upon society itself and ruin your life as well. it's not even really your money considering you weren't 100% responsible for earning it but it's for the better common good if you A. keep some of the money you earned for yourself so you can re-invest and do whatever you wish to do with it and B. give some back to the society that allowed you to earn it.
this line of thinking is all over the founding fathers' writings and manifesto's, some of them even suggesting what is essentially known as communism today with each family receiving land to work on and having all wealth reverted and distributed amongst small communities.
Ok, let me finally address the disabled. People who are completely unable to work, would recieve there basic needs. But not wanting to work, and not being able are two different things.
Tell me what you have to do I recieve welfare money?
if you think you just go behind the state department office, give head, and fill out a form to receive benefits you're completely oblivious to reality.
Okay, I'll add to the conversation.
I believe all welfare recipients should be subjected to random drug screening (including marijuana), and welfare money should not be used to buy alcohol.
What I also find interesting is how people always want to relegate their responsibility to help the poor to the government. I worked at a soup kitchen in inner-city Cleveland for 2 months, what have YOU done to help the poor?
A simply "charity donations went up 55%" means jack shit if the charities aren't providing essential services or have private interests of their own.
Paying taxes is not you paying your dues. I'm fine with decentralized, pro-actively administrated local public charities, but it is irresponsible to think that you have payed your responsibilities to the poor through a federal income tax that would have been forcibly subjected to you either way.
(Directed at imasillypiggy)
And Megafanx, I find that infinitely ironic because I could make the same argument against welfare payments.
There is NO reason to not support the men and women of the military. They do what they're told in service of the country. If you're going to not support something, look at the politicians. If you'd read what I said earlier you'd see even I don't support the current wars in Iraq/Afghanistan and yet i'm still a conservative. But I will always support the military 100%.
And yeah, there are people that go around saying liberals are "traitors" but they're a minority. How is that any worse than people like you running around yelling how ALL conservatives are racist, bigoted idiots?
Or we could actually solve the problems behind our healthcare market instead of masking it by spreading the payment for it. Get the government out of the doctor-patient relationship, grind down on so called "intellectual rights", and allow for nationwide competition among healthcare providers. Even so, churches and charity treatments have always been there for the poor.
directed at Thisisspain, fast moving thread this evening.