1. Post #641
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    This game better have a fucking Dreadnought.
    I think even an Elemental could take apart a Dreadnought.
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  2. Post #642
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    I think even an Elemental could take apart a Dreadnought.
    An Elemental would be an even match to a Space Marine, possibly a Terminator, but not a Dred.
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  3. Post #643
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    An Elemental would be an even match to a Space Marine, possibly a Terminator, but not a Dred.
    From what I know, Elementals' raw strength differ from as low as a buff Guardsman to some of primarchs (for experimental elementals).
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  4. Post #644
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    The IS could take the Imperium on a planet bound battle though I don't know much about spaceships in WH 40k.
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  5. Post #645
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    The IS could take the Imperium on a planet bound battle though I don't know much about spaceships in WH 40k.
    They're pretty rape-capable.

    Also, WH40k would probably win a planet battle if they declared exterminus, but then, you know, the planet is fucked. They don't get shit for spoils of war.
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  6. Post #646
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    They're pretty rape-capable.

    Also, WH40k would probably win a planet battle if they declared exterminus, but then, you know, the planet is fucked. They don't get shit for spoils of war.
    I'm pretty sure it takes ships to do that though, and big ones.
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  7. Post #647
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    The IS could take the Imperium on a planet bound battle though I don't know much about spaceships in WH 40k.
    Alas, IS would lack the combat strength and general unity to take on Imperium. Doesn't help either that Imperium would dominate in space (difference in scale and generally more capability for space-to-ground combat/destruction).
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  8. Post #648
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    Alas, IS would lack the combat strength and general unity to take on Imperium. Doesn't help either that Imperium would dominate in space (difference in scale and generally more capability for space-to-ground combat/destruction).
    though fighting the IS on the ground would essentially be like fighting an army of Titans all the time and even the smaller dropships would be considered rape fortresses on the ground. Who would win in space is really largely dependent on how effective BT type weaponry would be against 40k tech.

    but yeah the Imperium is far has far more at it's disposal in terms of "Fuck your whole Planet" weaponry.
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  9. Post #649
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    though fighting the IS on the ground would essentially be like fighting an army of Titans all the time and even the smaller dropships would be considered rape fortresses on the ground. Who would win in space is really largely dependent on how effective BT type weaponry would be against 40k tech.

    but yeah the Imperium is far has far more at it's disposal in terms of "Fuck your whole Planet" weaponry.
    Ahaha. No. Leman Russ Tank can take on a Medium or a Heavy Mech. Titans are ridiculously powerful, and although slow, chances are, they are going to wield far more destructive weapons than their Mech counterparts. Don't forget the Baneblades and other superheavies, who can rival mechs as well. And at the end of the day, Imperial Guard is too numerous, even if the weapons of either sides are equal. For all the IS' combat strength, the military troops are very few (in scale to WH40k), as they mainly rely on mechs. From what I can assume, usual IS planet would have a company of mechs stationed there (battalion on more important planets). Everything else would be small ground forces (which are either focused in urban infantry warfare or heavy tanks for mech combat). Guard may simply overrun their position, as even mechs can't fire forever. That, and when you have hundreds of small lasers firing at you repeatedly, they tend to add up.

    One thing that Battletech has, is speed. Assault Mechs can push on average of 60KPH, meaning that they can respond to threats over a huge area, as well as efficiently retreat against all troops but Airborne or Lightly Armed forces. And titans appearently have tiny range, with low-ranged weapons of 300 meters or so.

    Also Psykers.
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  10. Post #650
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    From what I know, Elementals' raw strength differ from as low as a buff Guardsman to some of primarchs (for experimental elementals).
    Clan Elementals, without their suits, could presumably rip a person in half.
    With their suits on, they can tear apart mechs.


    RIP AND TEAR

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    Ahaha. No. Leman Russ Tank can take on a Medium or a Heavy Mech. Titans are ridiculously powerful, and although slow, chances are, they are going to wield far more destructive weapons than their Mech counterparts. Don't forget the Baneblades and other superheavies, who can rival mechs as well. And at the end of the day, Imperial Guard is too numerous, even if the weapons of either sides are equal. For all the IS' combat strength, the military troops are very few (in scale to WH40k), as they mainly rely on mechs. From what I can assume, usual IS planet would have a company of mechs stationed there (battalion on more important planets). Everything else would be small ground forces (which are either focused in urban infantry warfare or heavy tanks for mech combat). Guard may simply overrun their position, as even mechs can't fire forever. That, and when you have hundreds of small lasers firing at you repeatedly, they tend to add up.

    One thing that Battletech has, is speed. Assault Mechs can push on average of 60KPH, meaning that they can respond to threats over a huge area, as well as efficiently retreat against all troops but Airborne or Lightly Armed forces. And titans appearently have tiny range, with low-ranged weapons of 300 meters or so.

    Also Psykers.
    You're forgetting the crazy-ass experimental tech that sometimes shows up in BattleTech, and the mega-scale vehicles like the Rattler MK2 mobile anti-air system.
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  11. Post #651
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    Clan Elementals, without their suits, could presumably rip a person in half.
    With their suits on, they can tear apart mechs.
    As I said, depends from source to source.


    You're forgetting the crazy-ass experimental tech that sometimes shows up in BattleTech, and the mega-scale vehicles like the Rattler MK2 mobile anti-air system.
    The main point is on "Experimental". Although, there are always Demolishers I/II.
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  12. Post #652
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    Imperium would probably win in a space battle, as BattleTech WarShips are extremely fragile compared to the flying cathedrals depicted in WH40K art. BattleTech space battles are over within minutes because of how frail the ships are, and how powerful the weapons are.

    On a side note, BattleTech WarShip weapons are likely more powerful on average than Imperium weapons - a single blast from a WarShip PPC can level a moderately sized city.
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  13. Post #653
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    Are we speaking of the same titans here? The same titans that have an arm laser roughly the size of the empire state building? Sorry, but I don't think anything short of 40 lances of atlases equipped with long toms is going to be bringing that thing down.
    On the upside, I'm pretty sure titans are hard to come by and transporting them isn't exactly a walk in the park.

    1 on 1, I think a dreadnaught GETS BENT OVER AND ROBOT RAPED BY A SHADOWCAT

    As for infantry, throw a bunch of lasers on a shitload of jenners (no ammo use, expendable light mech) and you could blast space marines to dust all day long.
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  14. Post #654
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    Are we speaking of the same titans here? The same titans that have an arm laser roughly the size of the empire state building? Sorry, but I don't think anything short of 40 lances of atlases equipped with long toms is going to be bringing that thing down.
    On the upside, I'm pretty sure titans are hard to come by and transporting them isn't exactly a walk in the park.

    1 on 1, I think a dreadnaught could take on pretty much any IS mech, but a well-trained lance could dispatch of one with a fair amount of ease.

    As for infantry, throw a bunch of lasers on a shitload of jenners (no ammo use, expendable light mech) and you could blast space marines to dust all day long.
    Aren't Dreadnaughts about the size of a large dumpster? You just walk up to one in your Atlas and kick it over, then step on it.
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  15. Post #655
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    Maybe, I could just be horribly mistaken.
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  16. Post #656
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    As for infantry, throw a bunch of lasers on a shitload of jenners (no ammo use, expendable light mech) and you could blast space marines to dust all day long.
    Naw, use Inferno SRMs. They're much better versus infantry.
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  17. Post #657
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    I don't know too much about 40k, aside from a little bit of wikipedia reading and what my friend has told me.
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  18. Post #658
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    Aren't Dreadnaughts about the size of a dumpster? You just walk up to one in your Atlas and kick it over, then step on it.
    Well, Dreds are tough little buggers. Getting into close range with it, is an invitation of "Get Your Limbs Ripped Off" land. It can't take on non-light/medium mechs otherwise, but they could generally take a salvo from PPC and TANKRED ENDURE.

    Also, Guardsmen. Not marines. Marines are likely to take little damage from most light laser weaponry (I am gonna assume that Medium Laser equals lascannon).

    Edited:

    Also, sure smells like Factpile in here.
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  19. Post #659
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    yup, I was wrong. this little fatass is a dreadnought:
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  20. Post #660
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    Well, Dreds are tough little buggers. Getting into close range with it, is an invitation of "Get Your Limbs Ripped Off" land. It can't take on non-light/medium mechs otherwise, but they could generally take a salvo from PPC and TANKRED ENDURE.

    Also, Guardsmen. Not marines. Marines are likely to take little damage from most light laser weaponry (I am gonna assume that Medium Laser equals lascannon).

    Edited:

    Also, sure smells like Factpile in here.
    A medium laser weighs 1 metric ton and makes between 800ish megajoules and 2.0 gigajoules of power.
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  21. Post #661
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    A medium laser weighs 1 metric ton and makes between 800ish megajoules and 2.0 gigajoules of power.
    Well shit, guess I was wrong. I am still surprised that this weapon is inferior to some autocannons.

    Well, at least Lasguns of WH40k produce 19MJs of energy, and appearently Battletechs ones range on average of 1.5MJs.
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  22. Post #662
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    Are we speaking of the same titans here? The same titans that have an arm laser roughly the size of the empire state building? Sorry, but I don't think anything short of 40 lances of atlases equipped with long toms is going to be bringing that thing down.
    On the upside, I'm pretty sure titans are hard to come by and transporting them isn't exactly a walk in the park.

    1 on 1, I think a dreadnaught could take on pretty much any IS mech, but a well-trained lance could dispatch of one with a fair amount of ease.

    As for infantry, throw a bunch of lasers on a shitload of jenners (no ammo use, expendable light mech) and you could blast space marines to dust all day long.
    I think a Warhound Titan is a relatively equivalent to a Medium Battlemech, Reaver Titans More in the Assault spectrum.

    Warlords are just like nah fuck you.
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  23. Post #663
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    I think a Warhound Titan is a relatively equivalent to a Medium Battlemech, Reaver Titans More in the Assault spectrum.

    Warlords are just like nah fuck you.
    Don't forget these guys


    Edited:

    And for scale
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  24. Post #664
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    Why are we discussing WH40k in the Mechwarrior thread? Isn't there already a thread for that?
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  25. Post #665
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    Why are we discussing WH40k in the Mechwarrior thread? Isn't there already a thread for that?
    My mechs can beat your mechs up.

    Nuh uh.

    Uh huh.

    NUH UH.

    UH HUH.
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  26. Post #666
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    Why are we discussing WH40k in the Mechwarrior thread? Isn't there already a thread for that?
    Yeah... I'm done I swear.

    Now, where were we... OH YEAH.
    Who here would play multiplayer games of MW2 by starting the game on one machine, and moving the disk to the second one to start it on that one too?
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  27. Post #667
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    WH40k + IS vs Chaos + Clanners

    Think would be a good game/MMO? :allears:

    I wouldn't mind good quality single-player campaign.
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  28. Post #668
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    Keep that WH40K shit outta Mechwarrior.
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  29. Post #669
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    What would win, the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer?
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  30. Post #670
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    Keep that WH40K shit outta Mechwarrior.
    As much as I hate this Ghost Scum Bear and am an Avid fan of 40k, I have to agree.
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  31. Post #671
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    What would win, the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer?
    Colossus assault dropship
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  32. Post #672
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    why the fuck would a castle have a chainsaw
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  33. Post #673
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    Well, Dreds are tough little buggers. Getting into close range with it, is an invitation of "Get Your Limbs Ripped Off" land. It can't take on non-light/medium mechs otherwise, but they could generally take a salvo from PPC and TANKRED ENDURE.

    Also, Guardsmen. Not marines. Marines are likely to take little damage from most light laser weaponry (I am gonna assume that Medium Laser equals lascannon).

    Edited:

    Also, sure smells like Factpile in here.
    Dreadnoughts are unbelievably dangerous and good in vehicle combat, they are pretty much brains encased in super tough armor with the biggest balls you've ever seen.
    I remember a story where a dread managed to get close to, oh, a giant-class titan without getting vaporized, CLIMBING up the moving city-sized bot while getting shot at by all the troops stationed on it, rip and tearing into the single most armored piece in the imperium, that being the goddamn armored bunker around the fusion reactor and RAMMING IT'S FIST INTO IT SO THE WHOLE THING BLOWS UP IN A MUSHROOM CLOUD

    Battletech mechs are pussies compared to the shit that dreadnoughts can do, honestly.

    Anyway, back to talking about mechs that keel over because their arm melted off from only a few million degrees of heat.
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  34. Post #674
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    -idiots-
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  35. Post #675
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    There are news about new designs of mechs, or something?
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  36. Post #676
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    On a closing note of the whole WH40k discussion: if the IS could beat the imperium on a planet battle, imaging what 5 or so teamed-up clans would do.
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  37. Post #677
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    On a closing note of the whole WH40k discussion: if the IS could beat the imperium on a planet battle, imaging what 5 or so teamed-up clans would do.
    End up taking over a single city, and then kill each other in "Honorable Duels" over who gets to rename it for Kerenskii.
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  38. Post #678
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    -idiots-
    Says the guy posting WH40k in the MechWarrior thread
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  39. Post #679
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    Apples and oranges guys, comparing two fictional universes, especially sci fi ones, is stupid.
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    Apples and oranges guys, comparing two fictional universes, especially sci fi ones, is stupid.
    BUT I BET MY MECH STOMPS LOUDER THAN YOUR MECH
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