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    kirederf7's Avatar
    July 2010
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    Well I wanted to help the guys out who are interested in this stuff. I'm going to share my knowledge and help you guys to start with this hobby.


    LEGALITY!!
    Metal detecting is illegal in loads of places and some countries so if you head out to an area where it's illegal to dig prepare yourself!! Always strive to ask for permission from the land owner, don't be a jackass!
    For example in Germany it's always illegal to dig unless you have a permit, the fines are really high you can even end up in jail...


    Equipment:

    Metal detector:

    First of all you need a metal detector (DUH)
    For beginners, it is recommended to use something like a Garrett ACE 250 or a Garrett Euro Ace, those two metal detectors are rather cheap (250-300$) and easy to use but most of all they work! You could also invest in the Garrett AT Pro (or AT Gold which is basically Pro+) which is twice the price but is a lot more powerful and versatile, this is the case especially if you know you're gonna be sticking with this hobby for a long time, might as well invest from the start.


    Another very popular and absolutely excellent detector is the XP Deus, which many say is the best detector on the market as of now, beating the AT Pro for example in target separation. It's slightly more expensive though.


    There are many other brands, including Minelab, Golden Mask, White, Fisher, Makro, etc.

    All the above detectors are VLF (very low frequency) detectors. There is a second type called Pulse Induction (PI) detectors:
    PI-based detectors are not very good at discriminating targets/metal types, because the reflected pulse length of various metals are not easily separated. However, they are useful in many situations in which VLF-based metal detectors would have difficulty, such as in areas that have highly conductive material in the soil or general environment. A good example of such a situation is salt-water exploration. Also, PI-based systems can often detect metal much deeper in the ground than other systems.
    For something like prospecting gold nuggets in the Australian desert, and gold prospecting in general a PI detector is pretty much mandatory and is what they are used the most. For finding coins/relics/artifacts in parks/fields/forests etc, aka what 95% of us do, VLF is king.
    Here are animations for how VLF and PI work:
    How VLF detectors work
    How PI detectors work


    The coil in your detector matters! There are several different types to choose from, and install/switch on your detector.

    DD coils have a narrow but wide detection field that make target separation easy. Wider field compared to concentric coils, allows for larger area to be scanned per sweep. Generally regarded as the jack of all trades, best choice for most areas.
    Concentric coils are the classic large circular coils that punch into the ground with a cone-shaped field. Bad in trashy areas because of the cone-shaped field, but work well in open, rural areas.
    Sniper coils are very small circular coils that are great in trashy areas like heavily used parks. They allow you to "snipe" targets from the middle of trash, with a thin and sharp detection field. Think of it like stabbing a sword into the ground to hit a coin, compared to a wooden log that will hit the coin and 5 bottlecaps around it. Downside of sniper coils are the bad search depth and small scan area per sweep.

    All of these coils come in various sizes that affect their search depth, weight, and target separation abilities.


    Digging equipment:

    I mostly use a hand shovel, a hand saw can come in very handy to cut through tree roots in your digging area. In addition to the main shovel, you might want to keep a small gardening trowel for precision digging, since it's annoying to handle a large shovel when checking the hole for your target.




    Pinpointers are EXTREMELY USEFUL. Essentially mini metal detectors, they will show precisely where in the hole your target is at, saving a lot of time and pain. No more shifting through a bucketful of dirt to find that 1 penny, a pinpointer will point you right at it. The best on the market hands down is currently the Garrett Pro-Pointer AT. Currently $127 on Amazon, it's an absolute necessity for any metal detectorist and an investment you won't regret.




    Clothing:

    Whatever you want, gloves are a must though unless you like blisters on ye fingers.
    A small bag on your waist for holding artifacts/relics/coins/whatever you dig up is recommended.


    UXO's ( Un-exploded ordinance)

    by lorden

    Don't be careless guys, always do research on places before you go metal detecting. 70 year old mines can, and in most cases, are, still functioning. They're soldiers that never realized the war was over. They're not like the movies either, 95% of landmines you will never see until you step on them, the other 5% have been revealed by erosion or rain washing them away, which means even areas that aren't minefields, but downhill from them, can have mines that were washed away, which will still be active most of the time.

    I guess the best way to show what I mean is this picture. A burnt-off, mostly barren area would easily be the best place to see a mine, but you still can't see shit in this image. It's somewhat low quality, but that's pretty much how your vision will be if you're only paying attention to your metal detector.



    There weren't many made in WW2, but there are low-metal mines too, which means your detector wouldn't even detect it. So the only real advice I can give is to do your research, and leave the area, on the exact same path you came, as soon as you see any kind of mine indicators. The most obvious ones are keychain looking objects with 30+ arming pins on them, and metal tubes, sort of looking like a disposable launcher, like a panzerfaust, but wider. They were used to contain mines. Less obvious things include metal or wooden spools, used for tripwires, or individual arming pins. Everything else will just look like normal wartime junk, especially after rust and such takes their toll on them, so there's no real point in describing them. Just be safe guys!


    Research

    The most important step of all is research, its not likely that you are going to find interesting items without researching first.
    You can use all kind of media for this, books, the internet and old people who might know something. For my trip to Schönberg (http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1123012) I mostly used the internet, google maps is also a good idea.

    For finding coins and jewelry, hit your nearest park and/or beach. Note that most low-end metal detectors are not waterproof, so be careful on the beach.
    Research nearby abandoned house sites and old farming fields, since you can find some great stuff in there including both coins and relics.




    If you are looking for military relics you best search for battle maps of some kind. They hold loads of information and can really help you out. On-site, look for strange pits or dug outs in the landscape, as even after 70 years you can still see the foxholes and the trenches. Those are a good place to start.

    One of the maps I found for my Schönberg trip, and a picture of old foxholes as an example:



    Also urundeadmom wanted to add this:

    Its also important to look for trees, like for example if you have a hill that has only 1/2 meeter high grass, and you find a large group of young trees growing somewhere, that means that the soil has been moved around for a trench or bunker, its most likely a trench, several times i have seen areas that have a about 20 m long line of young maybe 3-4 m high trees that was once a trench.

    The best places to look are wet marsh like areas with A LOT of mud, the mud creates a almost oxygen proof seal that preserves items incredibly well. Regular dirt will hold items considerably worse with a lot of oxidization and rust occurring. Sand and dirt-sand mixes are the worst with items quickly deteriorating and no noticeable markings left on them.
    Old house sites are treasure troves for coins and relics, along with farming fields (always ask for the owner's permission).


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    Cleaning your items:

    Most of the time it's enough to gently brush the rust off, you can treat your finds to prevent more rust forming.
    If you have a really rusty item that is still hard and not rotten you can use a solution of oxalic acid to remove the rust, this again is at your own risk, as you can destroy your item.
    If you find an old coin, be extremely careful with cleaning! Do not remove any beautiful patina, as that will degrade its value! Method 1 is to use a toothpick to gently rub most of the dirt off, but leave some dirt at strategic spots to highlight the details, that's usually all you need to do. Another popular method is the soft toothbrush+soapwater treatment, but it's not always the best option since it can remove details and patina from older coins, and can get rid of highlights. On some coins it is enough to simply rinse them with water. Leave the rest to a professional if you even need to! Very old finds like viking age silver hammered coins can be fragile as fuck, even rubbing them between your fingers can cause them to snap in two so again, be careful!

    Clips:




    AWESOME FINDS: (These are finds of many different people.)






    Tips:

    -Always dig around the signal! You don't want to stick your shovel into a grenade or bomb and you don't want to damage the items you dig up.

    -Please fill up your holes after you dig and also don't leave any garbage behind.

    -If you find an explosive don't move it, leave it be and call the bomb squad/police. Some WW2 explosives, due to the time they've degraded in the ground, can blow up just from being exposed to air after digging it up, or vibrations from your shovel.

    -If you don't find anything, don't worry, keep on searching you'll find stuff eventually. Note that equipment matters, cheap detectors generally have bad search depths and can be unreliable at separating good targets from rusty nails.

    -Digging is really exhausting, always bring enough food and water.


    In this thread you can post your finds, ask questions etc...
    You can ask me anything you want!
    If anyone wants to add something to the op just pm me.
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  2. Post #2
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    First photos are not working.

    I have found some parachute pieces(I think) and flasks. Nothing else. :(

  3. Post #3
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    kirederf7's Avatar
    July 2010
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    First photos are not working.

    I have found some parachute pieces(I think) and flasks. Nothing else. :(
    Fixed?
    Keep on searching you'll find cool shit!

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    I found some pottery around my house, but that's not as exciting as ww2 helmets etc. Cool finds man!
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    In your picture where you have all of the relics you found in a pile, what are those items just below the red canteen?
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    kirederf7's Avatar
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    In your picture where you have all of the relics you found in a pile, what are those items just below the red canteen?
    Mortar tails like the ones ate the bottom of the image.

    Those stack of relics are not mine btw, edited the op.
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    Looks like mortar tails.

    Ninjas.
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    This looks great.

    What are some really good places to search? Germany, Russia? Where.



    EDIT:

    What are laws on this? Are you allowed to bring half a rusty gun on a plane? And im guessing there are no laws on helmets, medals and such.

  9. Post #9
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    kirederf7's Avatar
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    This looks great.

    What are some really good places to search? Germany, Russia? Where.



    EDIT:

    What are laws on this? Are you allowed to bring half a rusty gun on a plane? And im guessing there are no laws on helmets, medals and such.
    Well eastern Germany and Russia are good places to search, Belgium is also really good because the Battle of the Bulge happened here.

    In Germany the laws are very strict if you are caught digging they can throw you in jail on grave robbing charges. About weapons it depends on what the weapon laws in your country are, here in Belgium you can keep your rusty weapons because they don't work anymore it all depends.
    Helmets and medals are no problem.
    If you want to take weapons back with you you have to go to a gun store/ smith to officially deactivate them with certificate and then you can probably take them with you.

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    It's not the greatest of ideas to try and restore them yourself you might risk damaging them even more.

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    kirederf7's Avatar
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    It's not the greatest of ideas to try and restore them yourself you might risk damaging them even more.
    Yeah, you need to be careful. Generally it's enough to clean of the rust with a soft brush.
    You know in Pawnstars they say never clean up an item? It only counts for antique items that are not in relic state, relic state items are mostly worthless and it doesn't matter if you clean them or not the value doesn't go up or down. Just never clean something with a steel brush that's just stupid.

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    This looks great.

    What are some really good places to search? Germany, Russia? Where.

    EDIT:

    What are laws on this? Are you allowed to bring half a rusty gun on a plane? And im guessing there are no laws on helmets, medals and such.


    You really need to look at a map, and find areas where major battles happened, and just go in those places. Also the quality of the soil is important because it depends on the turn out of your dig. Also on a side not, if you find any form of identification or the such, Dog tags, Russian capsules, ect.. you are really going to want to give those to the correct authorities, its important to remember the dead and that they have fought for us.

    I was once dinging on a sight about 100km outside former Stalingrad. (I was there with some friends i was visiting) We were digging out an old German Anti tank (AT) trench, inside we found massive amounts of ammunition and the such, but worst of all we found what I counted to be about 4 or 5 groups of bones, most were in small clusters, with the German identification pieces close to them, we on my way back to Dresden (Germany) I turned them into the German detachment of police that work to find the proper homes for these things the (DNHZWK)
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    You really need to look at a map, and find areas where major battles happened, and just go in those places. Also the quality of the soil is important because it depends on the turn out of your dig. Also on a side not, if you find any form of identification or the such, Dog tags, Russian capsules, ect.. you are really going to want to give those to the correct authorities, its important to remember the dead and that they have fought for us.

    I was once dinging on a sight about 100km outside former Stalingrad. (I was there with some friends i was visiting) We were digging out an old German Anti tank (AT) trench, inside we found massive amounts of ammunition and the such, but worst of all we found what I counted to be about 4 or 5 groups of bones, most were in small clusters, with the German identification pieces close to them, we on my way back to Dresden (Germany) I turned them into the German detachment of police that work to find the proper homes for these things the (DNHZWK)
    I would love to go digging in Russia...
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    I'm only 16 but when I get a bit older I'm gonna do this.

    It's on my bucket list.
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    The most I found was mayby some pottery and a bb gun from the 70's
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    My grandfather and his brother used to help with finding the soldiers who went MIA or were burried on the field durring the winter war, But it's quite dangerous since the in certain parts of finland there's still has active mines and other explosive devices that could go off at any second.

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    I was at a combat engineer training weekend up in Petawawa, and we got to test the new metal detectors the CF are phasing in for use with the current model. It's pretty fun to use them, but you really have to be careful when using them.

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    I'm only 16 but when I get a bit older I'm gonna do this.

    It's on my bucket list.
    Why wait when you can start right now?

    Edited:

    I was at a combat engineer training weekend up in Petawawa, and we got to test the new metal detectors the CF are phasing in for use with the current model. It's pretty fun to use them, but you really have to be careful when using them.
    What were you searching for? Mines?
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    All me and my friend ever dug up was some metal piping in the back and front yard of my house.

    But I guess America doesn't have the sort of history that leaves much metal strewn about.
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    All me and my friend ever dug up was some metal piping in the back and front yard of my house.

    But I guess America doesn't have the sort of history that leaves much metal strewn about.
    What about the civil war?
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    Why wait when you can start right now?

    Edited:



    What were you searching for? Mines?
    Well mine shells filled with concrete, really. Same weight and metal content as a regular mine, just minus the explosives. Oh, and we tested for rubber mines as well, but you can't detect those (obviously), so you had to be extra vigilant.

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    What about the civil war?
    True, But I live in south Texas which was very far away from the fighting.
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    Well mine shells filled with concrete, really. Same weight and metal content as a regular mine, just minus the explosives. Oh, and we tested for rubber mines as well, but you can't detect those (obviously), so you had to be extra vigilant.
    Cool, how deep could the metal detector go?

    Edited:

    True, But I live in south Texas which was very far away from the fighting.
    Yeah that's true...

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    are you a terrorist?
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    are you a terrorist?
    Yeah I blow myself up in the name of Allah almost every day.
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    I live on what was once a huge American Civil War hotspot. We find musketballs and forks and shit all the time, and when they were digging up the woods behind us we went detecting and found a confederate saber. Always nice to have a confederate obsessed history nut for a neighbor when you live in Virginia.
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    I live on what was once a huge American Civil War hotspot. We find musketballs and forks and shit all the time, and when they were digging up the woods behind us we went detecting and found a confederate saber. Always nice to have a confederate obsessed history nut for a neighbor when you live in Virginia.
    You should post some pictures, I would love to see them!

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    Would love to see that sabre, I collect swords.
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    Looks very interesting, i know what I'm doing if I ever go to russia or germany. Also I derped when I saw the mp44's i was like "Where are the stocks?" then realized after 60 years in the ground the stocks have been broken down and absorbed back into the earth.

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    I would love to go digging in Russia...
    Yeah its amazing, but sad too. The ground there is almost all like that perfect mud substance, items were amazingly preserved. grenades with original color on them, a unfired panzerfaust that still had that yellowish tint. Amazing stuff really.
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    no one takes the fight to america anymore.

    I don't have anything to go look at.
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    I spent 10$ and all i got was this lousy title.
    gazzy_GUI's Avatar
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    My dad metal detects, we have too much coins in this house, but i think the one he is most proud of is a golden Celtic.

    He's also told me once that someone he was with dug up a landmine so this guy hit it with his shovel before throwing it into an adjacent river.

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    I wanna do some relic hunting, but there really isn't much to find in Michigan. There weren't that many battles here. Luckily, I live in a village that was founded in the early 1800's so there's bound to be something in the woods, even though they may not be war relics.
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    I live on what was once a huge American Civil War hotspot. We find musketballs and forks and shit all the time, and when they were digging up the woods behind us we went detecting and found a confederate saber. Always nice to have a confederate obsessed history nut for a neighbor when you live in Virginia.
    I live in South Carolina where the first shots of the Civil War were fired and the State that played a crucial role in the Revolutionary War.



    I know damn well I could find some neat stuff.
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    Thanks OP.
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    That's so cool, I wish I lived in a country that has been ravaged by war in the past
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    True, But I live in south Texas which was very far away from the fighting.
    Texas Revolution.
    Goliad has shit coming up from the battle there all the time. I remember once they found a mexican cannon buried under there

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    I live in Arizona.

    There ain't shit out here.
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    I live in South Carolina where the first shots of the Civil War were fired and the State that played a crucial role in the Revolutionary War.



    I know damn well I could find some neat stuff.
    Damn, you should definitely go out and search!

    Should I post some of the most amazing ww2 finds in the op?
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    Damn, you should definitely go out and search!

    Should I post some of the most amazing ww2 finds in the op?
    Yes! i love looking over those all the time!

    Edited:

    That's so cool, I wish I lived in a country that has been ravaged by war in the past
    not to be a joykill, but no you dont, its not pleasant, i lived in Slovenia for a while, and the effects of the war are still present, and the old communist system is still visible even though it disbanded around 30 years ago.
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