1. Post #1
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    Zillamaster55's Avatar
    June 2010
    18,609 Posts
    As you may know, the most common firearm debate is about the two most famous assault rifles in the world, the American M4A1, and the Russian AK74M. But first off, we must consider the basics of each weapon.

    [release]
    [h2]M4A1[/h2]

    In Production: 1994 - Present
    Designer: Eugene Stoner
    Cartridge: 5.56x45 NATO
    Muzzle Velocity: 2900 ft/sec (884 m/sec)
    Rate of Fire: 700950 round/min cyclic
    Barrel Length: 14.5 in (370 mm)
    Total Length: 33 in (840 mm) (stock extended)/29.75 in (756 mm) (stock retracted)
    Weight (Empty): 6.36 lbs (2.88 Kg)
    Weight (Loaded) 6.9 lb (3.1 kg)
    Sights: Iron or Various Optics
    [/release]


    [release]
    [h2]AK74M[/h2]

    In Production: 1974-2011
    Designer: Mikhail Kalashnikov
    Cartridge: 5.45x39 Soviet
    Muzzle Velocity: 2,935 ft/sec (900 m/s)
    Rate of Fire: 650 RPM
    Barrel Length: 16.3 in (415 mm)
    Total Length: 37.1 in (943 mm) (stock extended) / 27.6 in (700mm) (stock folded)
    Weight (Empty): 7 lbs (3.2 KG
    Weight (Loaded) 7.5 lbs (3.4 kg)
    Sights: Iron or Various Optics
    [/release]



    Personally, I would choose the M4A1. Not only is the ammo very cheap here in the U.S, it's simple to clean and actually very rugged. The Iron Sights on the M4A1 alone are easy for quick target acquisition, and the rails allow for easy optic changes.

  2. Post #2
    CreativeName's Avatar
    May 2011
    450 Posts
    Uh, the debate isn't just the M4A1 vs the 74M. It's the whole AR15 family versus the whole AK family.

  3. Post #3
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    Viva's Avatar
    July 2006
    14,243 Posts
    Throwing this out there, but i think the 47 is more world renowned; just that the 74 saw more use as it's still produced today and the 47 was only made in limited numbers.

    Edited:

    Uh, the debate isn't just the M4A1 vs the 74M. It's the whole AR15 family versus the whole AK family.
    It's also this as they're all based on one solid base for the most part.
    I think though, what the op meant was in their category for the 5.56-5.45 caliber. A lighter round more practical.

  4. Post #4
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    Garb's Avatar
    May 2010
    2,031 Posts
    They really aren't comparable. There is a video floating about somewhere on youtube explaining why.

  5. Post #5
    Sickle's Avatar
    November 2009
    6,600 Posts
    Whichever one's cheaper. Both of them kill the same.

  6. Post #6
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    t-man's Avatar
    August 2006
    1,609 Posts
    Both great guns IMO

  7. Post #7
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    cis.joshb's Avatar
    January 2011
    1,877 Posts
    Does anyone have any info about the 5.45 round vs. the 5.56?

  8. Post #8
    Awesome Member
    Dennab
    January 2006
    40,350 Posts
    i think both would really hurt you

  9. Post #9
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    September 2007
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    They're almost nothing alike.

    Edited:

    Also worth mentioning that they both shoot bullets that are very likely to kill.

  10. Post #10
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    hl2poo's Avatar
    November 2005
    4,426 Posts
    I think the M4A1 has killed somebody before.

  11. Post #11
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    katbug's Avatar
    January 2010
    6,579 Posts
    ak47 will shoot em up as good as any m4, for cheaper

    plus they are made by bad guys and bad guys never live very long according to movies so they don't need to be that durable

  12. Post #12
    DiBBs27's Avatar
    August 2011
    1,548 Posts
    I remember seeing a video on youtube that the firing mechanism in the ak family is so violent that it actually warps the barrel minutely when fired. This obviously makes it less accurate.

  13. Post #13
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,268 Posts
    Comparing similar weapons doesn't do shit when you know that the handler makes all the difference.

  14. Post #14
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    smallfry's Avatar
    January 2007
    1,103 Posts
    Clearly a much more suitable, general title would have been XM177E2 vs AKS-93SM6.

  15. Post #15
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    Dennab
    October 2008
    14,789 Posts
    different guns for different purposes. the M4 makes a better sharpshooter rifle (in my hands at least, AKs tend to have a shorter effective range) but the AK is better for medium-close range shooting.

    Edited:

    obviously neither one can compete with a remington 700 or the like but the M4 gets more good range.

  16. Post #16
    Levinx's Avatar
    June 2010
    339 Posts
    I thought AK's were easier to clean.

  17. Post #17
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
    14,789 Posts
    I thought AK's were easier to clean.
    AKs are a bitch to clean but can operate nearly submerged in mud so you don't have to do it too often

  18. Post #18
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    Kung Fu Jew's Avatar
    November 2006
    5,681 Posts
    you're kidding right i've owned 2 different AK type weapons and both of them were easy as hell to clean

  19. Post #19
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    TheDestroyerOfall's Avatar
    June 2009
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    Does anyone have any info about the 5.45 round vs. the 5.56?
    5.56 tends to be more accurate cause of more power charge, thus faster velocity.

    5.45 is slower, less accurate but plenty more stopping power.

  20. Post #20
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    Dennab
    October 2008
    14,789 Posts
    you're kidding right i've owned 2 different AK type weapons and both of them were easy as hell to clean
    I'm talking compared to the M4A1, the whole thing strips in 60 seconds if you know what you're doing

  21. Post #21
    Laserbeams's Avatar
    February 2010
    10,163 Posts
    Most people on this forum haven't used either of the guns.

  22. Post #22
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    July 2010
    11,827 Posts
    Pretty sure it depends on the scenario

  23. Post #23
    I think the AK47 IMHO is the best rifle for long term use in the world hands down, it can be used in practically any environment easy and is very, very rugged.

    Sure, it may not have other guns accuracy, but it's very universal and reliable. It was also way ahead of its time when it was created. Of COURSE, other guns are better for other uses, but just universally, its a fantastic gun.


    NOTE, this is the original model AK47, not the 'modernized' model. The original is fucking amazing from what I've seen, but from someone who isn't an avid gun user.

  24. Post #24
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    HolyCrapAWalrus's Avatar
    November 2010
    4,468 Posts
    The AK has better damage rating in CoD, so it's the obvious choice for any gun enthusiast

  25. Post #25
    Taepodong-2's Avatar
    December 2009
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    Both of these rifles are just far too similar. They fire a similar round and are used in the same role. A common argument for AR-15 pattern rifles being better is their modularity, but you can easily achieve the same level of modularity on an AK.

  26. Post #26
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    Kung Fu Jew's Avatar
    November 2006
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    I think the AK47 IMHO is the best rifle for long term use in the world hands down, it can be used in practically any environment easy and is very, very rugged.

    Sure, it may not have other guns accuracy, but it's very universal and reliable. It was also way ahead of its time when it was created. Of COURSE, other guns are better for other uses, but just universally, its a fantastic gun.


    NOTE, this is the original model AK47, not the 'modernized' model. The original is fucking amazing from what I've seen, but from someone who isn't an avid gun user.
    modernized is plain old better in every respect

    Edited:

    I'm talking compared to the M4A1, the whole thing strips in 60 seconds if you know what you're doing
    and you could do the same with the ak...? whats your point

  27. Post #27
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    damnatus's Avatar
    October 2006
    5,524 Posts
    74M was developed in 1991 by the way

  28. Post #28
    modernized is plain old better in every respect
    The modernized version is more accurate but craps on the entire point of an AK47 because it jams much easier


    The AK47 is meant to be rugged and last for as long as possible, while still being reliable.

  29. Post #29
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    Kung Fu Jew's Avatar
    November 2006
    5,681 Posts
    it's marginally more accurate, if anything from a more solid build, a gun nut wouldn't have to tell you that, it's simple machine design. newer things hold better, and they're making the new AKs with stronger materials and no longer in garbage soviet factories by means of tired, smelly, and/or hungry peasants

    it does not jam easier and it remains as rugged as its forefathers, all while being more cost effective

    Edited:

    its also lighter

  30. Post #30
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    Contag's Avatar
    July 2010
    11,827 Posts
    New AKs beautiful
    but expensive and bad for comparison

  31. Post #31
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    Kung Fu Jew's Avatar
    November 2006
    5,681 Posts
    yeh i just mean the akm

    i really like the ak-107 and its paratrooper sister. i read about it a long time ago, but i think the gas output has been engineered to reverse the recoil in the gun, making it effectively without kick

    layman termy and im probably wrong about this but i dont feel like lookin it up cause its late and imi gonna hit the hay

  32. Post #32
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    DaCommie1's Avatar
    June 2008
    7,333 Posts
    I thought the debate was between the M16A1/A2 and the AK-47.

  33. Post #33
    Dennab
    October 2010
    354 Posts
    ak's jam less because of their long stroke piston where m4's don't but m4's from what i have heard are very easy to unjam

  34. Post #34
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    January 2011
    1,877 Posts
    I'd take the M4 if it's more accurate because being hit by any bullet is probably gonna make you unable to fire an accurate shot, thus giving the M4 operator the chance to shoot you again and kill you, despite the lower stopping power.

  35. Post #35
    Jimmaye's Avatar
    July 2010
    767 Posts
    [QUOTE=Taepodong-2;33682343]Both of these rifles are just far too similar. They fire a similar round and are used in the same role. A common argument for AR-15 pattern rifles being better is their modularity, but you can easily achieve the same level of modularity on an AK.

    by modularity they are talking about how the AR-15's uppers can be switched out to different calibers fairly easily, not how many scopes you can fit on the rails. This is impossible on the AK's as the barrel is pretty much welded onto the trunion.

  36. Post #36

    November 2011
    410 Posts
    5.56 tends to be more accurate cause of more power charge, thus faster velocity.

    5.45 is slower, less accurate but plenty more stopping power.
    A slower smaller round has more energy than a larger faster one

    ok

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  38. Post #38
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    May 2008
    19,051 Posts
    Should have been a debate between 5.45x39 and 5.56x45, or 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54r

  39. Post #39
    Uncle Bourbon's Avatar
    November 2011
    4,770 Posts
    - The AK-74M is as accurate as the M4A1, if not more accurate

    - The AK-74M is more reliable than the M4A1 because of the way it's built

    - The M4A1 is way more customizable than the AK-74M

    - Both preform similarly if maintained well

    - Both use similar ammunition


    I would say both do their job well; killing people

  40. Post #40
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    Mabus's Avatar
    July 2007
    5,129 Posts
    I've only fired one the AK-47, and own one. So I can't pass judgement based off stuff I read on Wikipedia. I'd have to fire an M4 then have a look at how to take it apart.