I had an interesting thought today talking about gun control. My friend said guns aren't necessary because we can trust the law for these things. Then I started to think about how far the government could really go, and realized how dependent we are on it. You never know if the government will lose it's ability to function as it is today, would you really want to bet your life on it?
To me gun control only goes as far as to prohibit the sale of firearms to anyone convicted of a violent crime of any sort, including rape. Perhaps the definition of violent crime could be narrowed, and I'm obviously not someone who has studied law so I'm not in the position to define that properly.
Now mental instability rules needs good oversight but otherwise I'm in favor of it. Just like we imprison criminals to separate them from society (primarily I would argue), we can bar people who are mentally unstable from having weapons.
Gun control isn't necessarily the prohibition of guns, and I think that is overlooked too often. It may cost money, people, and mistakes, but I think it is a reasonable approach to how to handle firearms in society.
now, my position aside, I hate how people use children killing people or themselves with firearms to further their argument/agenda. It doesn't happen often, and we have a reason we have laws on child molestation etc, because children cannot reason at the level adults are able to. What the punishment for the parents should be is another question that I don't really have an opinion on
I personally couldn't be happier never seeing guns in Australia less chance for things to go wrong in case you get that one bad person.
I would never feel as safe as I do where I live if I knew anyone of my neighbours could be owning a weapon.
Violent crimes can happen regardless of whether there is gun control or not, but honestly I'd rather have a knife to me rather than a gun pointed at my head. All it takes to end someone's life with a gun is to point and pull a trigger, I'd hate to think that every individual in a certain number of individuals has the ability to end someone's life just like that.
I understand some would like the ability to use guns for hunting purposes, but if that were the case would we really need the right to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles?
I like gun control because it controls guns.
I'd like control on drugs too.
Banning guns is something else.
I might be a leftist,but i agree with this.
Most of violent crimes are caused by unregistered weapons bought off some shady dealer on the street or black market...
This way people can feel and be more safe
1. How so ? You can be free without owning a gun.
2. Once again, how so ? At least a cop knows what he's doing, and you avoid getting your hands dirty.
3. This doesn't make much sense. If gun control exists it's because there is crazy-enough people to use them for bad reasons.
4. Sure you can, but it's heavy, hard to use and inconvenient.
5. Because guns are the tool of a crime doesn't mean we shouldn't control them. Giving more tools for the robber to do its job is never a good idea.
6. Criminals are free men before doing the crime.
7. How is that relevant anyway ?
8. A simple document can't allow anything just because it says it.
9. But you have a gun for your own security right ?
10. If politicians vote dictating laws you can still take arms and fight them, even if you're not supposed to.
11. But there's at least half of that number who used a weapon for a crime the past month.
12. Guns are objects, silly
13. Or you shoot to kill and steal a wallet from a dead body.
14. It's still not a reason to make the behavior easier.
15. Or they can get more jailtime by having a weapon if said weapon is illegal.
16. You already used that argument
17. Democracy - the government is the people. Is the people afraid of himself ?
18. What's the link with gun control anyway ?
19. This is pretty much what's being done.
20. Yes it would, people would have found guns in another illegal way and fought for a good cause.
21. No you create people with no guns.
22. There is already an illegal firearm market, outlawing guns makes more people go towards this market thus make it easier to spot and neutralize.
What the fuck has the US government done in the last century to show that it really still gives a fuck about the people? By this point the government doesn't represent the people, it represents a political ideology, that of whichever party is in power. The government is not the people any longer, and now that that's happened America should be most afraid of the government, because it no longer has a regard for the opinion of the people.
If you're at a gas station and someone is holding up the store, don't shoot him, call the police outside.
It works in favor of the pro-gun argument to be honest, not the other way around.
Now to the OP's post
"21. When you remove the right to bear arms you create slaves."
I think that's fucking hilarious that the founders wanted to create a free country for slave owners. The right to bear arms in that respect would be used to keep slaves enslaved.. At least until the civil war.
But who are you enslaved to if you don't have weapons? Perhaps the goverment, but as far as I'm concerned nobody really cares about civil liberties anymore, so why would they care for the removal of the right to bear arms?
I don't understand the slavery argument, perhaps you can enlighten me if you do.
Likewise, the best way to prevent crimes is not to equip everyone with a gun, but to eradicate poverty and social misery. Those who are pro-gun will often argue that it will still be easy to get a gun if you are a criminal. Well, if the amount of criminals in the society got reduced the production would follow, as the black market gets less customers.
And then is the point of liberty, I've seen some arguments from pro-gun debaters which claim that you aren't free if there is gun control. I would reverse that argumentation, and instead ask if you really are free if you need a gun for protecting yourself from the government. In a genuinely free society you don't need guns to protect yourself from the government, because there are democratical measures that can be taken against those who wish to restrain your rights. Use them.
What is it with you people and having no faith at all in democracy.
And what do you mean by the democratical measures "not working"? If they aren't, then voters agree with the restriction in question and that is a decision you have to accept.
yeah that's exactly what we need when democratic measures don't work. a bunch of violent hooligans with guns that replace reasoning and political discourse with dead people.
Distribution of weapons has nothing to do with the causation of crime. Crime is caused because the individual has been put in a situation in which reverting to crime has become the only option that they can fathom.
It baffles me at the amount of money spent pointing fingers at glorified hammers and tubes instead of addressing the real problem: a immensely outdated education system and a nation stricken with poverty. This is where crime comes from. This is fact. The only variable we cannot account for is true, physical mental illness, and we shouldn't adopt such a kneejerk reaction and live in fear just because of that possibility.
I don't need to justify my rights.
I've said it before and I'll say it again
IF YOU OUTLAW GUNS
ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS
Im just going to leave this here
That doesn't stop the reason the outlaw needs/wants the gun though, and he doesn't care if the gun's outlawed, he'll use it anyways.
One thing annoys me more than any other in this debate That those against gun control seem to believe that owning a gun is a universal right.
I'm not a huge fan of guns, I can accept them in necessary cases, but I don't want guns in my possesion, or anywhere near me. I don't care about the fact you were raised around them, just keep them away from me.
For that matter, why don't you guys consider excercising your constitutional right for once. I see a huge amount of dissent in news threads about American politics, yet no one seems to do anything but bitch.