People have been saying America was doomed since the country was founded. I'm disinclined to believe that now.
High school graduate 87.14%
Some college 55.90%
Associate's and/or Bachelor's degree 39.06%
Bachelor's degree 29.93%
Master's degree 7.60%
Doctorate or professional degree 2.93%
40% of people in the United States age 25 and over have at least their bachelors degree. How is that "most" of people being born into simple/stupid families? That's just sort of absurd for you to generalize like that.
Also, everyone quit with this "end of America" and "end of society" bullshit. Yes, politically chaotic things happen. The Western World made it through the Great Depression, two world wars and the red scare. I think we'll be fine. The only serious threat we face that could really do us in, which would also do in all civilization, is climate change. There are a lot of very bad things that can happen in the near future, but this isn't the Western world's, or America's for that matter, first rodeo.
It doesn't help when you xenophobic Bits and Europeans start mindlessly calling Americans fat/stupid, they even do it daily here in Estonia. Even though it's true to a percentage, it's not right
The big tripping stone of US is the federal reserve bank. The way it works.
Almost every damn country has its own bank that controls the dosh. They emit too much money - it's bad; too little - it's bad. Now, US dollar is emitted by a pretty much private company. And they emit as much as they want. And this is already causing social and economic problems worldwide and in the states. Lets see how it goes...
Now that I think on it, I'm not sure what would actually make a civilisation fall, the real factors involved. Doom-sayers criticise everything from economic downturn to immigrants to defiant youths but what does make a civilisation fall.
Many have fallen purely from conquest by another nation, but this is a more subtle fall. Rome comes to mind but I don't know enough about late Rome although things like lack of investment in infrastructure and vast expansion of bureaucracy are thrown around. Changing winds of time and an inability to adapt maybe but they are keeping up and that is only one case. I'm really not sure.
i was actually planning on moving there but i don't really know if it's worth the trouble. i mean don't you either need to be a star or have fucking amazing degrees to be let in? even if i DO get in i would probably regret it. or save america from its assured doom
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I truly think America has declined in the past but I do think we will get past this and rise again.
Just a question. Will the United States of America still exist in 200 years time? Will this nation still be standing and supporting the world by the year 2200?
Ok how about 500 years from now. In 2512 assuming we didn't nuke ourselves, will America be standing?
If you think Nations are permanent, you are wrong. Look at the Roman empire, Ottoman empire, the mongols, British colonies. Nothing is permanent. Not even nations.
Taking a pause from my usual lurking just to say this:
People are comparing the bump to the depression era and other such, but I'll focus on why the "The U.S. got out of the depression so why can't they now" is not very good:
The Depression didn't end, instead America was kind of abruptly yanked out of it. When World War 2 started picking up, there became increased demand for small arms, artillery and ammo, tanks, etc. in European countries, which led to more heavy industry jobs opening up and of course the average American started holding a job again.
The same really couldn't be true nowadays. The UN, or some other smaller system of alliance within, would be incredibly quick to stop a war in the case that one of the superpowers did decide to go on a rampage, and on top of that, what wars are fought now are mostly fought with black-market weapons like the remains of extremist insurgents in the middle east, or with locally-provided copies of weapons like in the Yugoslav wars.
I'm not saying that the U.S. is totally reliant on weapons sales or anything like that, but that was formerly what essentially kept America powerful, and now that every banana republic has their own factories making off-brand AK-47s, it'd be considerably harder to recover as the U.S. normally does.
Of course, that's one factor in a big jigsaw puzzle, but the point is, the depression argument isn't very good.
From our history we suffered a depression, and we have lived though it and it ended when we entered WW2 and the economy rises during the war, we got back up in our feet and reached even higher then the cold war hit and the arms race goes on. If we suffer from another depression, we will live though it, although we just don't know when it going to end until it happens.
America is in a tough time and people begin to believe we are doomed because of the many issues that we have, but we will solve these issues in a matter of time, all we need to do is get our shit together and end this crisis the best way possible.
It's always awkward when this topic comes up.
I've been chatting with people on steam being worried of that America is fucked, surrounded by "bad guys" and that everyone hates America.
The huge debt is one problem. And some people in the US barely notice anything wrong happening with their country.
I'll quote a steam friend about the debt problem with china. "The US got twice the money they own China. If the US gave back the money, it would still be the same case, but the other way"
Of course, this person might just be another kid rambling about, so we shouldn't use him as a sure example, but it makes me really mad that someone can be that wrong.
I think the US could do good stuff after some time, but you sure have hit a bump. If your country stops loaning money from other countries, it should be okay some time. I think.
America's not in bad shape compared to how it was in the past.
Socially, we're at a moderate high. Gay rights movements, racism rapidly decreasing, etc etc. We have a hell of a lot less civil injustice than we did in the early 1900s. Corporate abuses today are completely incomparable to ones in Rockefeller's era.
Otherwise, we're just hitting a bump of anti-intellectualism and political apathy. It might get a bit worse from here, but it's hard to believe that a progressive movement won't stem from it. It's happened in the past, and it will absolutely happen again.
People exaggerate stuff. We live in an age of fast results and instantaneous communication, and our political system is simply too dated to handle it. America's been in better shape, but it's nowhere near dying.
I don't think a majority of us have any authority to say we are doomed. I thought we were but in terms of the things we've dealt with, this is nothing. We've survived a civil war and the great depression and we are the longest lasting constitutional democracy in the world.
But all you kids will start spewing "OUR POLITICS ARE RUINED, NO FIXING IT, WE ARE DOOMED, NOTHING GOING RIGHT"
Yeah, our economy isn't the best right now but its a whole lot better than other countries. We still have SO many opportunities. So many of the people who will disagree with me though will be arrogant to the facts and think its more fun to think America is doomed because they obviously know politics, I mean, they have been on this earth for ~17 years! PLENTY OF TIME RIGHT? hah...
I tend to rant in responses in this section than the topic. I just hate the mentality that anybody on the forum, no matter their education or age, can seemingly have just as valid a debate as somebody who studies political science for a living...
People just want to place the blame on someone else. No matter who's the President is, they will always take the blame.
The nation itself doomed to fall? Probably not anytime soon. Our reputation doomed for all eternity? Oh yeah.
You seriously just can't compare old "great" civilizations to the modern world to such a point where you can say "Well, all these civilizations broke up due to X factors, looks like we're screwed"
also, Humanity, as a collective whole, has always had misconceptions about the future.
For starters, in the 50s, everyone thought that we'd have flying cars capable of space travel, and laser guns and robot servants (well, actually this one we do kind of have...) by 2000.
I feel doomed
OH WAIT, thats because they both have somewhat similar ideas of democracy, imperialist (America at one point) and world powers during different times. Of course they are going to deal with similar problems in a different context.
Its like astrology. Its stupid but there are some similarities between what the horoscope says and what is actually true, kind of a bad analogy but thats the only thing I can think of. We associate things together based on a few similarities. Thats some kind of rhetorical fallacy but the name escapes me.
America isn't doomed, nor has it experienced a 'bump' in its progress.
It's just that the rest of the world is catching up.
The rest of the world had catching up to do, way back in 1945.
It's 2012 now and we're behind in pretty much everything, public transportation, health care, roads, and laws, especially those regarding human rights and corporations, we are so far behind Europe it's ridiculous.
For one, a lot of European countries haven't outright banned gay marriage (it's even legal in quite a few western Euro countries), and they stopped discriminatory laws against race and gender decades before people were even thinking of doing the same in America.
Corporations in Europe are a lot more regulated than in America, if a big corporation in Europe even tried to do half the shit that goes by regularly in America they'd face huge protests and government interference.
About population density and WW2, are you serious man? Just take a damn look at Japan, it was completely leveled during WW2 and today it's one of the most advanced nations on the planet, especially when it comes to public transportation, same story with France and Germany.
London and Tokyo are both heavily populated and they're easier to traverse than say New York.
If you want proof we've fallen far behind just look at cities like Detroit and states like Alabama, every country has it's bad areas but America takes it to a whole new level.
As the saying goes (a painfully true one), it's a free country, as long as you're a white straight christian male.
I'm not even going to touch the laws aspect because that's not a field of interest for me, so don't try to use it to "prove my ignorance".
Compared to the rest of the world, I think we're doing just fine.
Nothing can last forever. Everything and everyone is inevitably doomed to fade into history and time. The question is not if but when. I am sure we'll be around for the next hundred years or so.
Do you know how public transportation works? No country tries to set up a rail service to every single farm and mountain town.
Also, no, it is not going to cost several trillion dollars, it was obvious the second you said that you have no idea what you're talking about.
The materials used to construct railways and roads is incredibly cheap and widely available, the people that would be building these things wouldn't be paid 100,000 a year salary's, and the only even remotely costly thing would be how long it would take, it wouldn't even come up to five hundred billion dollars.
It's because we're 'MERICA and we do things our way, and if you dont like it you can just GEEET Out and go to the socialist shithole that is Europe. [/joke]
I don't really see anything wrong with america at the moment in my current scope of living.
The economy is good and unemployment is decreasing. I don't see the problem.