[Daemon]

Building a gaming rig, would like to know if this sounds ok

i5 2400 - No K, no overclocking
Asus P8-H67 Pro 3RD Revision otherboard - Integrated graphics always nice in emergency
Samsung SSD 128GB
Corsair 650W Modular
Lian Li PC-A04 (BTW micro ATX build)
Asus GTX 560 TI 1024MB
Corsair 1333 XMS3 8GB Memory

[QuikKill]

Daemon posted:

Building a gaming rig, would like to know if this sounds ok

i5 2400 - No K, no overclocking
Asus P8-H67 Pro 3RD Revision otherboard - Integrated graphics always nice in emergency
Samsung SSD 128GB
Corsair 650W Modular
Lian Li PC-A04 (BTW micro ATX build)
Asus GTX 560 TI 1024MB
Corsair 1333 XMS3 8GB Memory

Looks pretty good, but why no overclocking? The extra 30 bucks for the k version is worth it in my opinion. In fact, the 3570k (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504) is only 215 with promo EMCNDHB34. This mobo is also the same price; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157306.

And I made a build for my friend with that case, and it's a lovely case, there is no room behind the motherboard for any wires. I recommend silverstone, the temjim specifically; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163182

[Fivas]

I keep on having a really annoying problem with windows 7.
Some very rare (bug?) happens that makes it impossible to open back up minimized windows and move open tabs along the task bar. If I click a minimized window such as steam when it's happening the view box will only flash for a second. Nothing happens when I try click and drag open window tabs. I hope I'm able to explain this properly. I tried scanning for a virus and avg found nothing.. no idea what is making it do this.

[lavacano]

FlubberNugget posted:

Why would you have those uninstalled to begin with though

Fresh install of Windows 8, I hadn't gotten that far yet

[Metaknigth]

QuikKill posted:

Hyper 212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065

Thanks for the quick reply. Will look into that... but just in case I may not find it or have sufficient funds for it... got any other options ? Newegg doesn't ship here in Europe so I'm going to be looking around town too see what I can find. Hopefully I can find some recommendations or something good ( so ... all the more all the better ? )

[QuikKill]

Metaknigth posted:

Thanks for the quick reply. Will look into that... but just in case I may not find it or have sufficient funds for it... got any other options ? Newegg doesn't ship here in Europe so I'm going to be looking around town too see what I can find. Hopefully I can find some recommendations or something good ( so ... all the more all the better ? )

If you just have the stock cooler, almost anything will be better. What shops do you have around you?

[Jurikuer]

I'm looking to backup a bunch of stuff onto DVDs, but I don't understand -R +R RW etc. The local store here has Sony -R and +R (No RWs anywhere) for $9.99 for a pack of 10. I just don't know what would be best for what I want. I mostly want to backup games from my Steam Library.

[Silentfood]

Hopefully starting work at a computer hardware store on Saturday, anything I should know before I cock something up?

[ShaunOfTheLive]

Jurikuer posted:

I'm looking to backup a bunch of stuff onto DVDs, but I don't understand -R +R RW etc. The local store here has Sony -R and +R (No RWs anywhere) for $9.99 for a pack of 10. I just don't know what would be best for what I want. I mostly want to backup games from my Steam Library.

+R has better error detection/correction than -R, at the expense of having slightly less space. You don't really need RW for backing up Steam game files unless you want your backups to be constantly up to date (updates are usually small enough that they're not a problem to re-download). If you have game data like saves and configs that you wanna backup, use Dropbox or Google Drive or some other cloud storage.

[Jurikuer]

ShaunOfTheLive posted:

+R has better error detection/correction than -R, at the expense of having slightly less space. You don't really need RW for backing up Steam game files unless you want your backups to be constantly up to date (updates are usually small enough that they're not a problem to re-download). If you have game data like saves and configs that you wanna backup, use Dropbox or Google Drive or some other cloud storage.

I'm trying to avoid anything from the internet. Bandwidth has been going over board lately. So backing up the games to DVDs will greatly help me in the future should something go wrong. Plus it'd make things easier in a lot of ways.

[Daemon]

QuikKill posted:

Looks pretty good, but why no overclocking? The extra 30 bucks for the k version is worth it in my opinion. In fact, the 3570k (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504) is only 215 with promo EMCNDHB34. This mobo is also the same price; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157306.

And I made a build for my friend with that case, and it's a lovely case, there is no room behind the motherboard for any wires. I recommend silverstone, the temjim specifically; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163182

Appreciate the reply thanks.

[Jurikuer]

Looking into Floppy Drives I see a lot of people mentioning the lack of FDD's on their modern Motherboards. What is FDD? My power supply can power a floppy, is that all it needs?

Products in question:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820816002
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820192022
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16821121001

Before you ask, I'm primarily looking into floppy drives for two reasons. 1) I noticed they have card readers built into them now. 2) Floppy's are awesome!

[AugustBurnsRed]

Not sure what you're trying to ask, but FDD stands for floppy disk drive.
Modern motherboards don't have connectors for them because they are virtually useless as storage nowadays, your average photo is probably more than 1.44MB.

You're better off finding a free old computer that has a floppy drive if you want to play with them. And a normal card reader without a floppy drive wasting space (and money)

[343N]

Hmm guys.
I was going to get a i5 2500k
but they're out of stock
all they have is 3550s and 3570s
apparently they're not too good compared to the 2500k

[TehWhale]

uh, they're better?

[343N]

apparently they're worse for overclocking and heat up a lot more
but I dont plan on overclocking

Edited:

3570k it is?

[TehWhale]

yes

[Within]

I just installed the H80 on my stock clock i7 920. Goes to 100C in Prime95. I spent 5 hours installing it because I had to get my motherboard out of the case and it doesn't work. Fuck that.

Edited:

My friend accidentally touched the thermal paste while helping me so it's a bit uneven. I suppose that isn't enough to let it go 40C over what it's meant to be with the H80 on stock clock.

[bucketofshrimp]

Can someone help me? Whenever I try to put steam in offline mode it doesn't work.
I keep getting a message saying that "offline mode is unavailable because there is no steam login information stored on this computer"
Help?

[ManningQB18]

bucketofshrimp posted:

Can someone help me? Whenever I try to put steam in offline mode it doesn't work.
I keep getting a message saying that "offline mode is unavailable because there is no steam login information stored on this computer"
Help?

You have to have logged in to your steam account on the current power cycle if you want to enter online mode. You can't enter it if you've shut off since you last logged in.

[horsedrowner]

bucketofshrimp posted:

Can someone help me? Whenever I try to put steam in offline mode it doesn't work.
I keep getting a message saying that "offline mode is unavailable because there is no steam login information stored on this computer"
Help?

Did you check "Remember my password" on the login screen?

Also, as a word of warning, make sure that you put Steam in offline mode BEFORE you lose connection, since it simply won't work a lot of times if you don't have connection. I really hope they do something about that.

[Mooe94]

I'm considering buying an SSD harddrive, any recommendations for one under $165?

Edited:

I've been scoping a OCZ Vertex 3 Series SATA III 2.5" SSD 60GB which costs about $95

[RoboChimp]

What's a good sub $2000 laptop with a decent screen? None of that dark at the top and white at the bottom garbage.

[QuikKill]

Within posted:

I just installed the H80 on my stock clock i7 920. Goes to 100C in Prime95. I spent 5 hours installing it because I had to get my motherboard out of the case and it doesn't work. Fuck that.

Edited:

My friend accidentally touched the thermal paste while helping me so it's a bit uneven. I suppose that isn't enough to let it go 40C over what it's meant to be with the H80 on stock clock.

I don't know what you did wrong, but I have a h60 in push pull and my 3570k overclocked runs at 60c under load. You should make sure you have proper fan configuration and air pressure in your case.

Mooe94 posted:

I'm considering buying an SSD harddrive, any recommendations for one under $165?

Edited:

I've been scoping a OCZ Vertex 3 Series SATA III 2.5" SSD 60GB which costs about $95

What is your budget? Get a crucial m4 if under a budget, or a intel 520 if not. The ocz will probably have faster benchmarks, but for one, you won't notice the difference, and two the crucial and intel are much more reliable.

RoboChimp posted:

What's a good sub $2000 laptop with a decent screen? None of that dark at the top and white at the bottom garbage.

Look at the sager 15 and 17in and the asus g75/g73.

[Mooe94]

Alright. I've noticed that the Intel 520 has a much faster writing speed than the Crucial m4 one, so I might buy an Intel 60GB. I don't worry too much about space considering that I have about 4TB of space existing already. But do you think a 60GB would be too little? And is it worth $115 (which it costs here)?

[ManningQB18]

Mooe94 posted:

Alright. I've noticed that the Intel 520 has a much faster writing speed than the Crucial m4 one, so I might buy an Intel 60GB. I don't worry too much about space considering that I have about 4TB of space existing already. But do you think a 60GB would be too little? And is it worth $115 (which is costs here)?

I wouldn't buy an Intel SSD unless it was on sale (It was in my case). Sure, they're the fastest and most reliable SSDs available, but they come with hefty price tag. 60GB feels a little small to me, because I've used 90GB on my 120GB. I'd say get a different brand 120GB. 60GB is enough to work with, but too small to give you breathing room. Windows takes up about 20GB on it's own.

[ShaunOfTheLive]

Jurikuer posted:

I'm trying to avoid anything from the internet. Bandwidth has been going over board lately. So backing up the games to DVDs will greatly help me in the future should something go wrong. Plus it'd make things easier in a lot of ways.

Well, you would need RW (rewritable) if you wanted to re-backup your games when they get updated so you don't ever have to re-download the updates.

[Brt5470]

Mooe94 posted:

Alright. I've noticed that the Intel 520 has a much faster writing speed than the Crucial m4 one, so I might buy an Intel 60GB. I don't worry too much about space considering that I have about 4TB of space existing already. But do you think a 60GB would be too little? And is it worth $115 (which it costs here)?

60GB would be enough, but I'm on 64gb and I still need to make sure I do plenty of cleaning on my SSD as well as installing stuff on my other drives.

[JgcxCub]

Steam.exe for me is constantly using 33% CPU. About a minute after steam has fully loaded, its CPU time remains almost constant at a third of my total CPU capabilities. Anyone know what's causing this, or how it can be stopped?
I don't know of anything I did recently that might cause it to do this, have installed a few programs recently but afaik none on the "programs that interfere with steam" list. I've disabled the overlay and stopped it downloading everything, not to mention restarting it multiple times (as well as the computer of course).

[Mooe94]

Brt5470 posted:

60GB would be enough, but I'm on 64gb and I still need to make sure I do plenty of cleaning on my SSD as well as installing stuff on my other drives.

Question is if it's actually worth to spend that much money on 60GB when I can spend less with better speed and twice the storage. For example A-Data's S510; read 550 MB/s and write 510 MB/s with 120GB (twice the amount!) and with pretty good software (according to the general consensus).

Edited:

Here's what I have in mind now:

Crucial m4 2.5" 128GB; Write 175 MB/s, Read 415 MB/s: Marvell 88SS9174-BLD2

Samsung 830 Series MZ-7PC128 128GB; Write 320 MB/s, Read 520 MB/s: Samsung S4LJ204X01

A-Data 500 Series S510 120GB; Write 510 MB/s, Read 550 MB/s: SandForce SF-2200

Intel 520 Series 2.5" SSD 60GB; Write 475 MB/s, Read 550 MB/s: SandForce SF-2200


Shouldn't you also consider what work you'll be doing on the computer as well? Seeing as I photograph a lot and make movies, wouldn't A-Data be the best choice considering it is faster, has more storage and is cheaper than the Intel one?

[Edvinas]

Is it possible to make Alt + F4 shortcut to instantly shut down the computer instead of opening the shut down tab?

[ManningQB18]

Mooe94 posted:

Question is if it's actually worth to spend that much money on 60GB when I can spend less with better speed and twice the storage. For example A-Data's S510; read 550 MB/s and write 510 MB/s with 120GB (twice the amount!) and with pretty good software (according to the general consensus).

Edited:

Here's what I have in mind now:

Crucial m4 2.5" 128GB; Write 175 MB/s, Read 415 MB/s

Samsung 830 Series MZ-7PC128 128GB; Write 320 MB/s, Read 520 MB/s

A-Data 500 Series S510 120GB; Write 510 MB/s, Read 550 MB/s

Intel 520 Series 2.5" SSD 60GB; Write 475 MB/s, Read 550 MB/s


Shouldn't you also consider what work you'll be doing on the computer as well? Seeing as I photograph a lot and make movies, wouldn't A-Data be the best choice considering it is faster, has more storage and is cheaper than the Intel one?

No
Most of those 510/550 drives are using the Sandforce controller. It's on the shittier end of SSD controllers, and can make very fast speeds in very controlled conditions. In reality, performance and reliability are much worse, but A-Data (And every other Sandforce SSD maker) put the misleading benchmarks up and present them as consistent speeds. The best price/speed/capacity/reliability drive right now is the Crucial M4. Excluding price, the Intel 520 series is the best.

[Mooe94]

ManningQB18 posted:

No
Most of those 510/550 drives are using the Sandforce controller. It's on the shittier end of SSD controllers, and can make very fast speeds in very controlled conditions. In reality, performance and reliability are much worse, but A-Data (And every other Sandforce SSD maker) put the misleading benchmarks up and present them as consistent speeds. The best price/speed/capacity/reliability drive right now is the Crucial M4. Excluding price, the Intel 520 series is the best.

I updated my post with the controllers. I noticed that the Intel 520 series uses the Sandforce controller - so I presume that the 520 series utilize the Sandforce control better compared to A-Data or have I missed something?

Also, I'm curious about the Samsung one because of it's reviews and faster write/read speed compared to Crucial M4. I presume that the controller 830 series uses (Samsung S4LJ204X01) isn't up to par with Crucial M4's?

[ManningQB18]

Mooe94 posted:

I updated my post with the controllers. I noticed that the Intel 520 series uses the Sandforce controller - so I presume that the 520 series utilize the Sandforce control better compared to A-Data or have I missed something?

Also, I'm curious about the Samsung one because of it's reviews and faster write/read speed compared to Crucial M4. I presume that the controller 830 series uses (Samsung S4LJ204X01) isn't up to par with Crucial M4's?

First point is interesting. The intel is still leagues better than that A-Data, yet it does use the same controller. I'm guessing Intel did something different with it, otherwise it wouldn't be considered to be so much better.

Second point, I haven't kept up with Samsung's SSD game, and nobody in the thread has recommended them. Judging by the AnandTech benchmarks on actual usage, they are very competitive in performance, and beats other SSDs in many categories. I think I was wrong with my initial recommendation, because that Samsung would probably be the best SSD available by price at the moment.

That Adata still looks pretty mediocre in most usage scenarios. Not as bad as I initially thought (Never seen anything good come from them) but not really the top of the pack

Edited:

edit: yeah, looks like Intel did some pretty serious work with reliability on the sandforce controller.

[Mooe94]

ManningQB18 posted:

First point is interesting. The intel is still leagues better than that A-Data, yet it does use the same controller. I'm guessing Intel did something different with it, otherwise it wouldn't be considered to be so much better.

Second point, I haven't kept up with Samsung's SSD game, and nobody in the thread has recommended them. Judging by the AnandTech benchmarks on actual usage, they are very competitive in performance, and beats other SSDs in many categories. I think I was wrong with my initial recommendation, because that Samsung would probably be the best SSD available by price at the moment.

That Adata still looks pretty mediocre in most usage scenarios. Not as bad as I initially thought (Never seen anything good come from them) but not really the top of the pack

Edited:

edit: yeah, looks like Intel did some pretty serious work with reliability on the sandforce controller.

Thanks for your help :)
I'll go with the Samsung! Apparently there isn't much difference with 830 and M4, but the 830 is cheaper and I feel like Samsung is more reliable.


Thanks again for your help!

[myalt22]

Is there a way to FTP something from a server to another server without downloading it to my PC and then uploading it to the other server?

[TehWhale]

I've never had an issue with Steam offline mode, if my internet goes out, I do whatever. If I want to restart Steam I choose offline mode and it works just as fine.

[benjgvps]

myalt22 posted:

Is there a way to FTP something from a server to another server without downloading it to my PC and then uploading it to the other server?

FTP client on the other server? If you don't have anything other than FTP access on the receiving server, I don't think you can.

[myalt22]

benjgvps posted:

FTP client on the other server? If you don't have anything other than FTP access on the receiving server, I don't think you can.

I see, thanks anyway.

[[ J ] Man]

So i want to try out the Windows 8 Release Preview but i don't want to start fresh, what i mean by this is i want to clone my current windows 7 disk onto another hard drive and then upgrade that one to windows 8 so i still have all my apps, games, music, Etc. Is there a way to do this, if so how would i go about doing it?