1. Post #1
    JonniXD's Avatar
    August 2009
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    In this thread you can debate all aspects of prostitution, whether it's right or not and etc.
    But what I'm really wondering about is this:
    If a prostitute has sex with a man, and the man doesn't pay up, should it be considered rape?

    I really don't know what to think of this. On one hand, the prostitute agreed to have sex with the man on the condition that he'd pay, which he didn't, so the woman didn't really consent to it.
    On the other hand, we can't assume that the man did anything violent, they did just have regular sex, not unlike any other sold sex.

    What do you think?

  2. Post #2
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    gamefreek76's Avatar
    October 2005
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    Wouldn't it be theft?

  3. Post #3
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    BloodFox1222's Avatar
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    Wouldn't it be theft?
    This.

  4. Post #4
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    Daniellynet's Avatar
    September 2008
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    It's theft.
    In simple terms: The female offered the male a service. The male accepted, used the service but didn't pay up.

  5. Post #5

    February 2008
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    Considering this:
    Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent.
    Unpaid prostitute is not raped but unpaid. Should be classified by law as "theft".

  6. Post #6
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    smallfry's Avatar
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    Legally, the crime would be breach of contract. It's the same thing as washing someone's car under agreement that you'll be paid for it - if the client doesn't pay up, they're breaking a verbal contract.

    It's not theft because no physical property was taken, and it's not rape because the prostitute consented voluntarily to the sexual action.

  7. Post #7
    Kaze's Avatar
    August 2011
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    It's consensual sex, so it's not rape.

  8. Post #8
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
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    Who wins by having prostitution be illegal?

  9. Post #9
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    squids_eye's Avatar
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    Who wins by having prostitution be illegal?
    Pimps

  10. Post #10
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    Sharker's Avatar
    August 2008
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    Don't you pay beforehand?

  11. Post #11
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    Dennab
    August 2005
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    Isn't this kind of like drugs?
    If drugs stay illegal, dealers sell and don't have to pay taxes or anything of the sort because they aren't affiliated with the government in a "real job".
    If drugs are legal, dealers wouldn't be able to sell them and those who would would have to pay taxes.

    Something like that also applies in this case right? Correct me if I'm wrong...

    Oh and yea, it would be theft, not rape. She agree'd, even though he didn't pay. Its like going into a store, grabbing and using something and not pay for it.

  12. Post #12
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
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    Don't you pay beforehand?
    That's not the point, and we are clearly talking about a case in which the client didn't.

  13. Post #13
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    trotskygrad's Avatar
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    It's theft.
    In simple terms: The female offered the male a product. The male accepted, used the product but didn't pay up.
    what?

    prostitution is a service not a product. Period.

    it's more akin to haircuts than a Big Mac.

    Unless you're talking about sex slaves.

    However most require payment before sex, if you don't it would be treated similarly to not paying for a haircut.

  14. Post #14
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    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
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    Well technically if a man has sex with a prostitute and then refuses to pay her it's not rape because she consented beforehand but then changed her mind. She offered a service, provided a service, and then got stiffed on the bill, so technically it would be a scam then.

  15. Post #15
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    gamefreek76's Avatar
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    Theft of service is still theft. You can be charged of larceny.

  16. Post #16
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    what?

    prostitution is a service not a product. Period.

    it's more akin to haircuts than a Big Mac.

    Unless you're talking about sex slaves.

    However most require payment before sex, if you don't it would be treated similarly to not paying for a haircut.
    I don't think the barber shop is going to brutally kill you if you attempt to steal from them...

    Edited:

    And if she offered consent prior to and during intercourse, it's not rape. You can't just change your mind after you've had sex and say "just kiddin i never really consented hehehe."

  17. Post #17
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    DamagePoint's Avatar
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    So if a man raped a woman, and then paid her for the service afterwards, would that make it prostitution?

  18. Post #18
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    So if a man raped a woman, and then paid her for the service afterwards, would that make it prostitution?
    no it'd be rape

  19. Post #19
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    February 2011
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    It's basically forced sex.
    excuse me im stupid
    So if a man raped a woman, and then paid her for the service afterwards, would that make it prostitution?
    It wouldn't be forced rape.

    About my previous thing on rape, I was being retarded. Rape is sexual assault, vagina or anal.

    Like many others said, it's sexual theft.

  20. Post #20
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    Rubs10's Avatar
    June 2007
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    It's theft.
    In simple terms: The female offered the male a product. The male accepted, used the product but didn't pay up.
    They offer a service. They're aren't products.

  21. Post #21
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    Ond kaja's Avatar
    December 2009
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    Wouldn't it be theft?
    Theft is crime against property, so if you see a prostitute as an object rather than a person that would indeed be the case...

  22. Post #22
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    They offer a service. They're aren't products.
    It would be like not paying a maid or cleaner. What is that counted as?

    Edited:

    Isn't this kind of like drugs?
    If drugs stay illegal, dealers sell and don't have to pay taxes or anything of the sort because they aren't affiliated with the government in a "real job".
    If drugs are legal, dealers wouldn't be able to sell them and those who would would have to pay taxes.

    Something like that also applies in this case right? Correct me if I'm wrong...

    Oh and yea, it would be theft, not rape. She agree'd, even though he didn't pay. Its like going into a store, grabbing and using something and not pay for it.
    That's exactly my point, having it illegal only helps criminals. That isn't the point in this debate though.

  23. Post #23
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
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    It's basically forced sex.
    excuse me im stupid


    It wouldn't be forced rape.

    About my previous thing on rape, I was being retarded. Rape is sexual assault, vagina or anal.

    Like many others said, it's sexual theft.
    Uh no, rape is any and all penetration of the body without consent.

    Edited:

    It would be like not paying a maid or cleaner. What is that counted as?

    Edited:



    That's exactly my point, having it illegal only helps criminals. That isn't the point in this debate though.
    Breach of contract.

  24. Post #24
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    lifehole's Avatar
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    Uh no, rape is any and all penetration of the body without consent.
    So stabbing someone and sticking your dick in it is rape?

    But in all seriousness, it would be theft. Although prostitutes usually charge first.

  25. Post #25
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    November 2007
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    Legally, the crime would be breach of contract. It's the same thing as washing someone's car under agreement that you'll be paid for it - if the client doesn't pay up, they're breaking a verbal contract.

    It's not theft because no physical property was taken, and it's not rape because the prostitute consented voluntarily to the sexual action.
    Theft of services

  26. Post #26
    Official Bro of DD

    June 2010
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    I know its fox news but it apparently happened http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307245,00.html

  27. Post #27
    coyote93's Avatar
    December 2011
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    A rape is when the act is performed unwillingly. A prostitute offers her services to anyone. It would be a theft.

  28. Post #28
    Bat-shit's Avatar
    October 2010
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    You'd probably get beaten up until you pay if you ever tried to rip-off any higher class hooker.

  29. Post #29
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    Speedstream's Avatar
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    But what if you rape a prostitute and then pay her afterwards?

    What if a prostitute rapes you and then you pay her afterwards?

    What if a prostitute rapes a prostitute and then both pay afterwards?

  30. Post #30
    Official Bro of DD

    June 2010
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    Its still rape because it was not consensual

  31. Post #31
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    Its still rape because it was not consensual
    The sex was consensual. That's the same as saying that it is rape if I promise to do the dishes if my girlfriend gives me a blowjob and then don't.

  32. Post #32
    Jevgein's Avatar
    December 2011
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    if the customer doesn't pay. there is a pimp who doen't give a shit why he did not pay.
    technicly if he uses and does not pay, it's not rape but "thievery" like in every other shop.

  33. Post #33
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    trotskygrad's Avatar
    June 2011
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    Theft of services
    which is breach of contract...

    ffs

  34. Post #34
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    November 2010
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    Isn't this kind of like drugs?
    If drugs stay illegal, dealers sell and don't have to pay taxes or anything of the sort because they aren't affiliated with the government in a "real job".
    If drugs are legal, dealers wouldn't be able to sell them and those who would would have to pay taxes.

    Something like that also applies in this case right? Correct me if I'm wrong...

    Oh and yea, it would be theft, not rape. She agree'd, even though he didn't pay. Its like going into a store, grabbing and using something and not pay for it.
    So you think that making drugs legal will make drug dealers stop selling drugs illegally? (As far as I know, to be able to sell drugs legally you need to sell them in a shop and with a license/age restriction. I'm pretty sure drug dealers will still sell them illegally on the streets for a cheaper price)

  35. Post #35
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
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    So you think that making drugs legal will make drug dealers stop selling drugs illegally? (As far as I know, to be able to sell drugs legally you need to sell them in a shop and with a license/age restriction. I'm pretty sure drug dealers will still sell them illegally on the streets for a cheaper price)
    People might want to try and sell, but there will be no one to buy. Think about it, why would you buy from some shady dealer, not knowing what quality product you might get, when you can get it from a licensed dealer which has to deliver quality product.

  36. Post #36
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    November 2010
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    People might want to try and sell, but there will be no one to buy. Think about it, why would you buy from some shady dealer, not knowing what quality product you might get, when you can get it from a licensed dealer which has to deliver quality product.
    Same reason the aftermarket for any product out there still sells.

  37. Post #37
    ThisGuy0's Avatar
    July 2009
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    So you think that making drugs legal will make drug dealers stop selling drugs illegally? (As far as I know, to be able to sell drugs legally you need to sell them in a shop and with a license/age restriction. I'm pretty sure drug dealers will still sell them illegally on the streets for a cheaper price)
    If that were the case then surely dealers would be selling alcohol and tobacco?

  38. Post #38
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    November 2010
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    If that were the case then surely dealers would be selling alcohol and tobacco?
    Valid point.

  39. Post #39
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
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    Same reason the aftermarket for any product out there still sells.
    That isn't a hazard for your health though.

  40. Post #40
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    If that were the case then surely dealers would be selling alcohol and tobacco?
    There are some that do. I used to get my stoggies from an unlicensed dealer because he sold them for a couple of bucks cheaper.

    On topic: TECHNICALLY it wouldn't be rape, because it was consensual; however, if this were to happen it would probably be filed as rape. If the prostitute knew you weren't going to pay then it wouldn't have been consensual, so I suppose it could also be considered fraud.