1. Post #41
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    Does anyone see anything missing? Apparently the start button shows up when you hover down in that corner. (Shitty for those with a second monitor on the left though) (This build was compiled Tuesday)

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  2. Post #42
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    Where's the start button?
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  3. Post #43
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    Where's the start button?
    In the corner, hidden?
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  4. Post #44
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    Does anyone see anything missing? Apparently the start button shows up when you hover down in that corner. (Shitty for those with a second monitor on the left though) (This build was compiled Tuesday)

    not using all the ram? :o
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  5. Post #45
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    not using all the ram? :o
    And it's even 64-bit, WTF gives? :o
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  6. Post #46
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    And it's even 64-bit, WTF gives? :o
    Probably due to the integrated graphics.
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  7. Post #47
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    And it's even 64-bit, WTF gives? :o
    If the GPU is using System RAM as a dedicated VRAM rather than just sharing it, it may be deducted from the total system memory.
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  8. Post #48
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    Guys I read somewhere that Win8 is coming out around August or so (the final, consumer version).

    If I'm planning on getting my college laptop over the summer, would it be smarter to buy one with Win7, and then upgrade in October, or to just wait for Win8 to come out and get a laptop for it?

    I.E., will laptops that come with Win8 build in be better optimized for Win8 somehow, or will just a straight up upgrade work as well?
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  9. Post #49
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    I don't know about it releasing in August, that seems a bit early...

    Also, I love that Windows 8 Beta expires in January of 2013, giving users a whole year to evaluate it to see if they want to buy it / allow developers to use it for that long. That is really nice of them.


    I seriously am getting a hard-on waiting for Windows 8 Beta. So much more customization of the start menu in comparison to right now, even if it isnt fully unlocked to use pictures and stuff, I am sure someone will quickly come up with a way to patch it, just as someone designed Windows 7 Tweaker to be able to modify the login background of 7, and WindowsBootUpdater to modify the Windows 7 Boot splashscreen, windows 8 should not be that hard to modify for real, true, customization, too.

    Personalization hacks or not, windows 8 beta looks a lot sexier to me. The removal of the Start Menu Button in favor of a hover-to-show scheme looks like it might be something nice, I will just have to test it out when we get there.
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  10. Post #50
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    Okay, integrated graphics need to be turned off in the BIOS of my friend's PC then, as he's confused about where his RAM went after he upgraded to 64-bit 7.
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  11. Post #51
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    I don't know about it releasing in August, that seems a bit early...

    Also, I love that Windows 8 Beta expires in January of 2013, giving users a whole year to evaluate it to see if they want to buy it / allow developers to use it for that long. That is really nice of them.


    I seriously am getting a hard-on waiting for Windows 8 Beta. So much more customization of the start menu in comparison to right now, even if it isnt fully unlocked to use pictures and stuff, I am sure someone will quickly come up with a way to patch it, just as someone designed Windows 7 Tweaker to be able to modify the login background of 7, and WindowsBootUpdater to modify the Windows 7 Boot splashscreen, windows 8 should not be that hard to modify for real, true, customization, too.

    Personalization hacks or not, windows 8 beta looks a lot sexier to me. The removal of the Start Menu Button in favor of a hover-to-show scheme looks like it might be something nice, I will just have to test it out when we get there.
    The logon screen and splash screen use full 24-bit color whereas the start screen's image is indexed.

    http://winunleaked.tk/2011/11/how-to...ws-8-pre-beta/

    I believe a modification could be made within the DirectUI files, adding another element that overlays the original background for an image, though it'd take me a while to test it and get right.

    Edited:

    Also: http://www.bing.com/?Win8Start=1
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  12. Post #52
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    The logon screen and splash screen use full 24-bit color whereas the start screen's image is indexed.

    http://winunleaked.tk/2011/11/how-to...ws-8-pre-beta/

    I believe a modification could be made within the DirectUI files, adding another element that overlays the original background for an image, though it'd take me a while to test it and get right.

    Edited:

    Also: http://www.bing.com/?Win8Start=1

    Interestingly enough I have already modified the background image for the Start Menu in the DP, and am in full acknowledgement that with indexed color, it would look rather goofy and blotchy, but it is still worth allowing people to make their own, and by own, I refer to the Swirls, and Gradiated fade-off blocks, not a whole imaged background that would distract the user. But again, I am sure most people will be fine with the 8 built-in patterned overlays and general color schemes, which I also hex modified to make vibrant colors in the DP.

    And I have not attempted to modify the startscreen splash, which right now, since it is rather sexy, I have no reason to.
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  13. Post #53
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    Interestingly enough I have already modified the background image for the Start Menu in the DP, and am in full acknowledgement that with indexed color, it would look rather goofy and blotchy, but it is still worth allowing people to make their own, and by own, I refer to the Swirls, and Gradiated fade-off blocks, not a whole imaged background that would distract the user. But again, I am sure most people will be fine with the 8 built-in patterned overlays and general color schemes, which I also hex modified to make vibrant colors in the DP.

    And I have not attempted to modify the startscreen splash, which right now, since it is rather sexy, I have no reason to.
    I was just saying it's different in later builds and those programs (last I saw) didn't align the image properly which is why I prefer DirectUI modification.
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  14. Post #54
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    Has anyone heard anything about that tablet/ultrabook hybrid that was at CES running Windows 8? I'm planning on getting something of the like later this year in preparation for university.
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  15. Post #55
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    Has anyone heard anything about that tablet/ultrabook hybrid that was at CES running Windows 8? I'm planning on getting something of the like later this year in preparation for university.
    My guess is in the future, all x86 tablets will be hybrids.
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  16. Post #56
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    uh where are my graphics settings

    tried both stable and preview drivers for windows 8
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  17. Post #57
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    January 2012
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    uh where are my graphics settings

    tried both stable and preview drivers for windows 8
    Check under Preferences or Presets. DUH.
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  18. Post #58
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    Check under Preferences or Presets. DUH.
    AMD Vision Engine Control Center and CCC are two different things.

    Edited:

    http://bbs.pcbeta.com/forum.php?mod=...=4#pid27058372
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  19. Post #59
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    AMD Vision Engine Control Center and CCC are two different things.

    Edited:

    http://bbs.pcbeta.com/forum.php?mod=...=4#pid27058372
    This may seem crazy, but I am really really looking forward to seeing what kind of patterns for customization that they let you use in beta. All I have seen so far, is the following.

    Pattern #1: Faded Gradients (Green Default Pattern)
    Pattern #2: Swirly Lines
    Pattern #3. Bubbles (From Panda's most recent link)
    Pattern #4 ~ #8: Unknown.

    The tension is almost palpable.
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  20. Post #60
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    Is there a way I can have both metro and the start menu?
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  21. Post #61
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    Is there a way I can have both metro and the start menu?
    Don't worry, you know even if they get rid of it, there's going to be a 3rd party application that mimics it.
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  22. Post #62
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    January 2012
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    Don't worry, you know even if they get rid of it, there's going to be a 3rd party application that mimics it.
    We don't need any 3rd party app to mimic it, we just need an alternate way to launch metro/ Like a shortcut in the task tray or on the desktop, so we can keep our regular start menu.
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  23. Post #63
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    I don't see the need in two start menus myself. The start screen can do everything the old one can. Hit winkey, type the name of the program you want to open, strike the return key. What I don't understand is why they felt the need to remove the start button all together despite the fact clicking in the corner still works. There's no indication that it still works or anything.

    Also I like this color set:

    The start button hovered.

    Here's more shots if anyone's interested: http://winunleaked.tk/2012/02/window...te-build-8220/
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  24. Post #64
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    Here's more shots if anyone's interested:
    That 2nd screenshot in your post almost looks like a bad photoshop. Windows 8 may be the first version of Windows that I'll actually want to customize...
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  25. Post #65
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    That 2nd screenshot in your post almost looks like a bad photoshop. Windows 8 may be the first version of Windows that I'll actually want to customize...
    I think Microsoft just should have built the tablet OS on top of ThinPC/Embedded 7 and the desktop side of Windows Client would still remain. Don't get me wrong I can use the start screen and have no problem with it being used as a fullscreen start menu, but the inconsistency of it all is really annoying. 2 platforms, one OS.

    I'd imaging Windows Server would still have the legacy start menu, and if it does, it would be interesting to see if more people used Server 2012 instead of Windows Client for their PCs. Those of course who get their OS by other means than buying a new computer.
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  26. Post #66

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    Looks like they slapped a metro UI on top of the already well established UI. Its ugly.
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  27. Post #67
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    Looks like they slapped a metro UI on top of the already well established UI. Its ugly.
    And here we go again...
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  28. Post #68
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    I wish they'd go and get rid of aero completely now. It's becoming way too inconsistent, and it's clear that they're just trying to build on it. They need to go 100% metro.
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  29. Post #69
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    I wish they'd go and get rid of aero completely now. It's becoming way too inconsistent, and it's clear that they're just trying to build on it. They need to go 100% metro.
    Thing is, current applications aren't particularly suited to the metro design. Whereas Aero was just a graphical change from luna, Metro is a huge design change and couldn't be achieved the same way Aero was upgraded.
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  30. Post #70
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    Thing is, current applications aren't particularly suited to the metro design. Whereas Aero was just a graphical change from luna, Metro is a huge design change and couldn't be achieved the same way Aero was upgraded.
    Aero isn't just the theme though, it's the whole design.
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  31. Post #71
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    January 2012
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    App shortcuts still don't appear to have proper tile icon support. The icons for the app are still small and look horribly out of place.
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  32. Post #72
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    App shortcuts still don't appear to have proper tile icon support. The icons for the app are still small and look horribly out of place.
    I think it's like that specifically to differentiate them from app tiles, though I agree it does look horrid.
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  33. Post #73
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    May have already been posted, but: http://www.extremetech.com/computing...e-start-button

    I, for one, am kind of pissed off. Not because of the Metro tile screen, because I like that, but because you get to it by flipping your mouse at it instead of clicking. That is annoying as hell and I can't imagine how many times I'll accidentally open it and then get this massive fullscreen start menu full of things I don't want to do at that moment.
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  34. Post #74
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    I don't like that metro start button
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  35. Post #75
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    May have already been posted, but: http://www.extremetech.com/computing...e-start-button

    I, for one, am kind of pissed off. Not because of the Metro tile screen, because I like that, but because you get to it by flipping your mouse at it instead of clicking. That is annoying as hell and I can't imagine how many times I'll accidentally open it and then get this massive fullscreen start menu full of things I don't want to do at that moment.
    You mean the thing when the thumbnail pops out when you hit the left of the screen?
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  36. Post #76
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    Thing is, current applications aren't particularly suited to the metro design. Whereas Aero was just a graphical change from luna, Metro is a huge design change and couldn't be achieved the same way Aero was upgraded.
    They've got a good start with the "Aero Basic" theme.



    If they did a little polishing on that (Including metro back/forward buttons, etc) I think it would look pretty good.

    But it's clear based on what they've done so far that that isn't going to happen. I don't get the UI team at Microsoft. I get that a product as massive as Windows takes a lot of work to be consistent, but at the same time I don't see what would be hard about re-skinning aero to metro.
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  37. Post #77
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    Reminds me of how in Windows 7 they changed 3 icons to look nicer and non-aero but that was it. I feel like the MS design team is really lazy. When I first saw metro my first though is they gave up on design and resorted to the most basic form of graphic being a solid color square.
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  38. Post #78
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    Metro themes are ugly. I haven't seen such a flat, boring theme since Windows 3.1
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  39. Post #79
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    I have not paid attention to any of this for the past few months. Someone fill me on on the dev release that came out at the build conference.
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  40. Post #80
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    Metro themes are ugly. I haven't seen such a flat, boring theme since Windows 3.1
    Indeed, I'm all for most of the new features of Windows 8 but metro and the start screen aren't one.
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