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Windows 8 will play nice with Google services :D
http://networkedblogs.com/tNY1t
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I think they're planning to lock down on the hardware to be honest. So that only hardware they sign off as working fully gets certification from them. So that people can't just go on and write faulty drivers.
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I'm pretty sure it has more to do with locking Android and Linux out considering the Secure Boot bullshit they're trying to pull.
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People can just get an Android or x86 tablet though. If they were pure and simple just blocking Linux then they're morons for leaving 2 doors open and only closing one.
And it's not like it's impossible to boot up linux with secure boot on, you could sidestep it as the problem lies within the bootloader and not the OS itself from what I understand.
I'd imagine WUBI would still work as it uses the Windows Bootloader which works with secure boot.
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Why not just buy a tablet with android or Linux if they want that? No one gets pissed at Apple or Samsung for this.
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I don't think you and The Baconator actually understand what I'm talking about. One of the latest news about the Secure boot fiasco is that Microsoft apparently does not want to certify devices for Windows 8 if they don't have Secure Boot locked. They also won't certify a device of it doesn't use Secure Boot.
This leaves two choices to manufacturers (regardless of whether their tablet also works on Android/Linux or not by default):
Either they make the device unlocked, which allows you to use Secure Boot with your own OS if you wish, and then they lose the Windows 8 certification, the whole PR that goes with it, and probably many things I'm not even aware of when you have a certified device.
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They keep the device locked, they keep the certification, but then no one can run an OS other than Windows 8 on their device, no matter how better that OS might be.
Microsoft is basically giving them an ultimatum between certifying a single-OS device or releasing a multi-OS device and never getting certified. There's no way to certify a device for Windows 8 that can also be used with Linux because of these stupid rules.
To reply to Baconator, due to the above, that tablet won't exist. Basically I'm talking about a scenario where a tablet CAN already run both OSes, but will be locked out of installing something else than Windows 8 due to secure boot.
HOWEVER!
Microsoft has recently made some leeways regarding secure boot, so at this point I'm just hoping that they'll allow devices to be certified even if they do not lock secure boot. Hopefully this has already happened (in which case my post has less purpose than it would've had weeks ago), but if not then it's something I hope gets worked on because it's pretty stupid of an issue.
EDIT: I'm talking about this: http://www.theverge.com/microsoft/20...-windows-8-arm
If it has changed, please post the relevant links in this thread.
EDIT: Forgot to mention this is mostly an ARM thing.
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They could make both a Windows tablet and Andoid tablet though, it's not like manufacturers only have one choice.
If you want a tablet that uses linux, get an android tablet,
If you want a tablet that uses windows, get a windows tablet,
If you want a tablet that uses both, get an x86 tablet.
I really don't see how it's such a big deal and Microsoft gets blamed for doing something that other tablet manufactures are doing one way or the other.
People are making out like Microsoft is making linux completely impossible to use on a tablet, which isn't even remotely the case. Microsoft isn't the only software maker, there are options the consumer has, really. People are going on like Microsoft is the only tablet software provider, they haven't even got into the market yet.
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Replace "tablet" with PC and try to understand how retarded this sounds. I don't want an "OS" tablet, I want a tablet that runs whatever I want on it. If it's ARM then that's Windows and Linux, if it's x86 then that's Windows and Linux.
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Except there's no such thing as linux only PCs, or windows only PCs.
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Exactly. What, are you not getting it? Why should there be such tablets?
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This is really, Really neat, I've finally got my touch panel to be recognised as a... Well.. as a touch panel, I will try to make a video now since I can now experience Windows 8 as it was supposed to be experienced, this all feels very natural, and more accurate too
(Sorry for the low quality picture, I took the picture with my phone)
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Don't get me wrong, I agree that the whole thing is stupid, I don't agree in any way with what they're doing. I just can't be bothered to be angry about it.
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Well, anyhow, nothing will have changed compared to when Windows wasn't on ARM. It's annoying, but it's really not a big issue.
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Let's think of it this way... Since when has the Internet's Hacking and Modding community let something like this stand? Not even Apple is immune, with the iPad 2 having been rooted to run Honeycomb.
Just don't worry about it. Things will sort themselves out. They always do.
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Did you get my PM? I'm trying to buy a touchscreen and I want to know where you got yours. That's awesome that you got it to work the right way.This is really, Really neat, I've finally got my touch panel to be recognised as a... Well.. as a touch panel, I will try to make a video now since I can now experience Windows 8 as it was supposed to be experienced, this all feels very natural, and more accurate too
(Sorry for the low quality picture, I took the picture with my phone)
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I didn't see it, But I've bought it from eBay from njytouch
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Stop pulling things out of your head
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Is it good quality? Usually I associate resistive touchscreens with complete shit.
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I'd say resistive panels are better than capacitive panels for tablets, and after I bought I saw that they just resell it from a company named eGalaxTouch, which offers multitouch resistive panels, with pressure metering, but yeah, this one I have bought is really great, it's even scratch resistant.
Also they also have capacitive panels if you want, but it's more expensive
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I looked on their ebay page and they didn't have any panels that matched my LCD size. How close was the panel you got to your actual LCD size? The closest match they have is a good two inches off.
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1:1, Fitted perfectly
, but the bezel on the panel (non touchable area) was a bit too big for my thin bezel on my laptop
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Fuhh. I e-mailed another e-bayer about getting a custom size. We'll see if they can do that. I directly contacted a supplier and they wanted $750 per piece with a minimum order of 400. Yeah, right.
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Nothing -can- have changed, this is a brand new issue that didn't actually exist before. I discussed with Panda X on Steam anyway and I misunderstood him, we both agree that the restriction is a bad idea. I just made him seem like I cared more than I actually do.
Usually I'd be hoping that Secure Boot was easily crackable, but chances are it won't be, and if it is easily crackable then that just means it provides no security at all, which is also bad...
Good thing I don't really care about tablets at the moment...
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Well, seems like we agree, then. It just looked like you made a big fuss about it.
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Yeah, like I said it looked worse than it was :)
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Surely the bezel ruins some of the Windows 8 gestures, such as swiping in from the side?1:1, Fitted perfectly, but the bezel on the panel (non touchable area) was a bit too big for my thin bezel on my laptop
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I was curious to how that works, myself. Surely he got it to work since he posted a pictue of it. I'm assuming the screen had to be calibrated (resistive screens have to be calibrated to work properly), and he set the edges of the the screen to be where the bezel is.
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Nope, works perfectly, there's a "threshold" for swiping gestures
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Suffice to say, Wubi-style installations might be the way to go on the locked bootloaders. :/
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No because it does try to install GRUB
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Last I checked it had the windows bootloader load everything from a file on the windows drive.
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bootmgr system file on the first hard drive detected by the BIOS. Does not need to be on the windows drive (mine is on my F drive.) I know the wubi installer just jams itself into the windows boot manager so nothing gets messed with (because you can not fuck with that shit if a OS is loaded) but it will install GRUB if you install any other way.
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as for the whole locked down boot thing, that is more or less a UEFI setting and if you are just going to use your current stuff, you dont need to really worry about it because you need to turn it on. It will be on by default on systems that have the whole "designed for windows 8" sticker (which may or may not end up with microsoft getting sued again)
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Windows 8 will suck.Why the fuck do we need a new operating system?
I hope no one buy it.
(User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting" - Autumn))
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You were just banned yesterday for spamming, and now you're shitposting. I can tell you'd make for an excellent member of this forum
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Yes, we will all become baristas and switch to Mac.
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Is it possible to install this latest Windows 8 build and then go back to 7? Perhaps put it on a usb?
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The tablet market is being treated as a device rather than PC. Remember, part of Steve Jobs' "post PC" era crap was how his laptops and desktops are not devices rather than PC's.
There's a reason techy nerds don't care much for tablets.
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It's not so much we don't care for them, it's just that they're not comparable to a PC in what they can do. I've played with the Toshiba Thrive tablet and a few others and I absolutely love them, but I prefer my PC in terms of what I can do with it.
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Who here agrees with me when I say I think this supposedly new Windows logo looks awful?
http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/172476.htm
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It kinda reminds me of the original windows logo.
Although Microsoft HAD to make it inconsistent by putting a different logo for the boot animation
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After seeing it on a device button I just realized that it's really gross.
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