1. Post #2681
    I actually liked how Metro overall looks, but I really hate the new window chrome.
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  2. Post #2682
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    Kenneth's Avatar
    June 2006
    708 Posts
    One problem I've had is when games crash (off the top of my head I know that at least Max Payne 3 and Far Cry 2 have this issue) I have no way of closing them. I can start task manager, but the game always remains on top regardless of what has focus, so I have to reboot. Did not have this problem in Win7
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  3. Post #2683
    CrumbleShake's Avatar
    June 2010
    2,435 Posts
    I actually think I'll be keeping my window borders white like in the image where they first showed it.

    I just reckon it looks much nicer that way.
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  4. Post #2684
    It's like Windows Classic all over again. Only looks good in it's original color.
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  5. Post #2685
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,785 Posts
    It's like Windows Classic all over again. Only looks good in it's original color.
    Windows Classic looked good in Rainy Day too.
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  6. Post #2686
    Noi
    Purrr ~
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  7. Post #2687
    Windows Classic looked good in Rainy Day too.
    Okay then, some exceptions.
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  8. Post #2688
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    wraithcat's Avatar
    December 2007
    12,757 Posts
    Default KDE looks nothing like metro. Nor does xfce, fluxbox, blackbox or other countless WMs
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  9. Post #2689
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    January 2005
    3,949 Posts
    Maybe he meant that you could use KDE to replace the original DE.
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  10. Post #2690
    ben1066's Avatar
    August 2009
    991 Posts
    Windows Classic looked good in Rainy Day too.
    Rainy day still looks bad, in my opinion.
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  11. Post #2691
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    I wish somebody would port Windows 8 DP's Aero theme to Windows 7, that was my favorite Aero Theme.
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  12. Post #2692
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
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    I wish somebody would port Windows 8 DP's Aero theme to Windows 7, that was my favorite Aero Theme.
    I do believe you can find a few on DeviantArt.
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  13. Post #2693
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    wauterboi's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,691 Posts
    I'm always a sucker for matte. Bonus points if it's got a pixel-art influence.
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  14. Post #2694
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,785 Posts
    Seeing things like this always annoy me because it shows what it could have been instead of what it will be: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/10...unity-concept/
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  15. Post #2695
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    August 2009
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    Seeing things like this always annoy me because it shows what it could have been instead of what it will be: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/10...unity-concept/
    Maybe they'll get it right with 9.
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  16. Post #2696
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    Seeing things like this always annoy me because it shows what it could have been instead of what it will be: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/10...unity-concept/
    Watching cool videos of Longhorn tripped me out, only to see 90% of the cool shit stripped from it before we got Vista. *Ragefist*

    And I miss Vista's sidebar, I hate Windows covering my gadgets, and vice-versa.
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  17. Post #2697
    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,299 Posts
    Seeing things like this always annoy me because it shows what it could have been instead of what it will be: http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/10...unity-concept/
    Got Steve Balmers phone number handy? I want to berate him for not using this.
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  18. Post #2698
    1800_SCREWED's Avatar
    February 2012
    80 Posts
    You deserve more than 24 winners for that.
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  19. Post #2699
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    November 2007
    9,806 Posts
    Hey guys, I'd just like to say that despite all my hatred toward all the new changes in Windows 8, I've finally started using it on my main desktop, natively not in a VM, and it is lightning fast. I think I can get used to the changes if it'll stay this fast after using it for a couple of months.

    EDIT: Also, the new Task Manager is pretty slick.
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  20. Post #2700
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    April 2006
    2,732 Posts
    Hey guys, I'd just like to say that despite all my hatred toward all the new changes in Windows 8, I've finally started using it on my main desktop, natively not in a VM, and it is lightning fast. I think I can get used to the changes if it'll stay this fast after using it for a couple of months.

    EDIT: Also, the new Task Manager is pretty slick.
    Fun fact: there's some Metro apps that use more memory than the entire OS. Think about that for a minute.
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  21. Post #2701
    Aren't there enough 'desktop' apps that use more memory than the entire OS?
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  22. Post #2702
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    July 2007
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    Hey guys, I'd just like to say that despite all my hatred toward all the new changes in Windows 8, I've finally started using it on my main desktop, natively not in a VM, and it is lightning fast. I think I can get used to the changes if it'll stay this fast after using it for a couple of months.

    EDIT: Also, the new Task Manager is pretty slick.
    the consumer preview was still really fast on my old computer after a few months of use.

    Edited:

    which is pretty much unprecedented
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  23. Post #2703
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,785 Posts
    Aren't there enough 'desktop' apps that use more memory than the entire OS?
    I feel as if some developers these days don't care about memory usage since a lot of people have several GBs. Which is unfortunate.
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  24. Post #2704
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    November 2009
    8,971 Posts
    I feel as if some developers these days don't care about memory usage since a lot of people have several GBs. Which is unfortunate.
    Optimization takes a backseat to pushing something out the door. It's sad, really... It causes a huge problem in the gaming industry, that it takes a PC several times as powerful as a console to render the same graphics settings in a standard port, because people simply don't optimize.
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  25. Post #2705
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,110 Posts
    do the scrollbars in windows 8 feel massive to anyone else?
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  26. Post #2706
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,785 Posts
    do the scrollbars in windows 8 feel massive to anyone else?
    The sysmetrics for the scrollbar are still 17px wide and 17px high (arrow button). Maybe it's the image that just makes it look larger?

    IE and Metro Apps do however have larger arrow buttons for touch, but everything else it's still the same.
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  27. Post #2707
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    November 2007
    9,806 Posts
    do the scrollbars in windows 8 feel massive to anyone else?
    What.. if anything they look skinnier.
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  28. Post #2708
    I will huff and puff and FLIP YOUR FUCKING TABLES
    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,110 Posts
    then I guess its just windows scrollbars' period. Meh, I'm probably just spoiled by the thin scrollbar extension for Chrome and Ubuntu's ayatana overlay scrollbars (which are brilliant and wish I could use on Windows)
    Nevermind me, then.
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  29. Post #2709
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    Fun fact: there's some Metro apps that use more memory than the entire OS. Think about that for a minute.
    In a world where 8GB is the "desktop standard", nobody really gives a fuck. Just sayin'.
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  30. Post #2710
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    August 2009
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    In a world where 8GB is the "desktop standard", nobody really gives a fuck. Just sayin'.
    The desktop standard is closer to 2-4 gigs for an everyday user, I believe. Also, you should care because the only way you can go with that thinking is ridiculous resource usage and the user having to compensate for it. Just because a developer can't fix something like a memory leak doesn't mean I should be the one who fixes it by giving it more power.

    That's like saying hey, there's a gas leak in the car - we better load it up with more gas more often to compensate. Someone's going to have to fix the car at some point.
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  31. Post #2711
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.
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  32. Post #2712
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    July 2005
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    If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.
    Where I live there's still plenty of people with Windows XP computers with less than 2GB of RAM.
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  33. Post #2713
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    June 2010
    2,435 Posts
    Where I live there's still plenty of people with Windows XP computers with less than 2GB of RAM.
    Then they should upgrade if they want 8.

    Windows 8 is quite a bit newer than XP and it's not designed for older computers.

    You can't expect a brand new OS to run on a computer designed for a 10 year old OS.
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  34. Post #2714
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    May 2008
    898 Posts
    If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.
    Besides the obvious flaw in your argument in that the Metro applications will often be run on devices with more like 1 or 2 GB of RAM (tablets). It's hugely naive to think everybody has 8GB of memory in their computer, Take a look at the Steam Hardware survey. http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

    Just under 70% of users (data from May 2012, not out of date) have 4GB or less in their computer. And these are supposed to be hardware stats for people who play games, not the average consumer.
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  35. Post #2715
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    July 2005
    1,742 Posts
    Then they should upgrade.

    Windows 8 is quite a bit newer than XP and it's not designed for older computers.
    They won't because their XP machines do everything they want.

    Giving them no real reason of upgrading.

    Not to mention money being an issue as well.


    Although sooner or later they'll end up doing it because IE8 gets supported less by every day.
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  36. Post #2716
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    June 2010
    2,435 Posts
    They won't because their XP machines do everything they want.

    Giving them no real reason of upgrading.

    Not to mention money being an issue as well.
    Yeah, I edited my post as you were writing that.
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  37. Post #2717
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    Lazor's Avatar
    July 2007
    9,254 Posts
    what kind of dumb argument is this.

    oh no windows apps aren't and never have been hyper-optimized therefore nobody with less than 2GB of RAM can use them? lmao
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  38. Post #2718
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    April 2009
    9,855 Posts
    My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).
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  39. Post #2719
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    Lazor's Avatar
    July 2007
    9,254 Posts
    can't you use windows 7 for a total of like 120 days without needing a key(by rearming 3 times)

    i'd say do that and buy windows 8 when it comes out, assuming he's ok with the interface
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  40. Post #2720
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    November 2011
    482 Posts
    My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).
    I'm using Windows 8 on my gaming rig and it works really well. Can't really say much about compatibility since I only really play CS:S nowadays, but that runs really well so all source games should too. Pretty sure most other games will work fine too!
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