1. Post #641
    Give me a case where not having flat arpen would result in a higher reduction than having it.
    What the hell are you talking about
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  2. Post #642
    ventnor's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,601 Posts
    doesn't mean the skin don't suck donkey dick
    why should I care about a scrube fruits opinion lmao

       ok I admit it's bad but it's not like butcher is better or anything, default urgot best urgot until riot decides to make a fucking skin.   
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  3. Post #643
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    March 2009
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    I'm not comparing ad to arpen, I'm just asking if there's a case where flat arp is a bad thing. Like if you chose between no runes or arpen, when would choosing no runes be better?
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  4. Post #644
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
    16,815 Posts
    are the golden days of the lol thread back, or is it just some small argument that's making everyone post so much?

    oh yeah its the latter
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  5. Post #645
    ventnor's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,601 Posts
    are the golden days of the lol thread back, or is it just some small argument that's making everyone post so much?

    oh yeah its the latter
    then start a discussion like with the boots of funion thing.
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  6. Post #646
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    Dennab
    May 2009
    15,440 Posts
    I'm not comparing ad to arpen, I'm just asking if there's a case where flat arp is a bad thing. Like if you chose between no runes or arpen, when would choosing no runes be better?
    It wouldn't, but that's such a dumb thing to say.

    If I had to choose between no quints or AP quints for Pantheon, which would be better?
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  7. Post #647
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    March 2009
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    What do you mean you wouldn't. It's a simple yes or no, will flat arp hurt you if you run it? I'm not arguing for christ's sake, I just want to know, because you made it sound that having it will ruin your percentage arpen items.
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  8. Post #648
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    Dennab
    May 2009
    15,440 Posts
    What do you mean you wouldn't. It's a simple yes or no, will flat arp hurt you if you run it? I'm not arguing for christ's sake, I just want to know, because you made it sound that having it will ruin your percentage arpen items.
    Flat arpen runes devalue %arpen, yes. But you can't make a flat out statement as to whether or not they're better than not having them. In the laning phase, obviously they'll be useful. Late game, they'll fall off. They won't NEGATIVELY impact your game, they'll just lessen the effect of % based arpen.

    Is it really that complicated? what the fuck
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  9. Post #649
    ventnor's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,601 Posts
    ok lets end the argument here, zinayzen is wrong because he has a picture of a pony and papaya is a fruit.
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  10. Post #650
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    March 2009
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    Flat arpen runes devalue %arpen, yes. But you can't make a flat out statement as to whether or not they're better than not having them. In the laning phase, obviously they'll be useful. Late game, they'll fall off. They won't NEGATIVELY impact your game, they'll just lessen the effect of % based arpen.

    Is it really that complicated? what the fuck
    Isn't the calculation something like (armor - flat arpen) * percentage arpen. So if you have 200 armor and 15 arpen, and 10 percent, then it'll be 185 *0.9 = 166.5. Without the 15 you would have 180. So you can make a concrete statement that in no case is having flat arpen a bad thing, however it is arguable if flat ad is better.
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  11. Post #651
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    36,141 Posts
    i use arpen reds and flat ad quints
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  12. Post #652
    MORDEKAISER ES #1 HUEHUE
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts
    (Passive) Charisma

    Items are 5% cheaper to Vox and her teammates.


    (Q) Amplified Touch

    When used on self or an ally, the next attack the target makes will deal bonus 600 true damage to a minion, or
    50/75/100/125/150 (+0.35 per AP) Magic damage to a Champion or structure.

    Killing a minion with Amplified Touch grants 3/6/9/12/15 bonus gold and 12/14/16/18/20% more experience.


    (W) Disorientate

    Vox Emits a high-pitched sound in a cone dealing 60/100/140/180/220 (+0.6 per AP) Magic damage.
    All enemies hit by the voice have their chance to hit reduced by 15/20/25/30/35%
    and their armor reduced by 5/10/15/20/25 for 4 seconds.


    (E) Remedial Voice

    Vox reproduces ancient sounds from fairy fields in her targets head, healing the target allied Champion
    for 20/40/60/80/100 (+0.35 per AP) instantly and again over 2 seconds. Increases by 25% when under 40% hp.


    (Ultimate) Grand Sonus

    Vox chants for 1.5 seconds, creating a sound-wave expanding around her by 500/750/1000 units per second.
    Upon reaching an enemy Champion, the location is revealed to Vox and her team for 3/4/5 seconds.
    Upon reaching an allied Champion it gains 10/15/20% increased movement speed for 1.5/2/2.5 seconds.

    Enemies who are within 600 range of Vox chanting are also dealt 150/250/350 (+0.7 per AP) Magic damage.


    here be a support
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  13. Post #653
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    January 2008
    7,201 Posts
    It looks good but you've put the AP ratios as stuff like +0.6% AP, don't you mean +60% AP?
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  14. Post #654
    MORDEKAISER ES #1 HUEHUE
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts
    It looks good but you've put the AP ratios as stuff like +0.6% AP, don't you mean +60% AP?
    0.6 =/= 60%
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  15. Post #655
    ventnor's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,601 Posts
    change the W to something else like reduced damage or a blind but shorter duration, RNG is not a fun mechanic.

    Edited:

    0.6 =/= 60%
    well you said 0.35% which equals 0.035 AP ratios
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  16. Post #656
    MORDEKAISER ES #1 HUEHUE
    TehWoodPcker's Avatar
    September 2009
    3,192 Posts
    change the W to something else like reduced damage or a blind but shorter duration, RNG is not a fun mechanic.

    Edited:



    well you said 0.35% which equals 0.035 AP ratios
    i changed it
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  17. Post #657
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    36,141 Posts
    best passive in the game
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  18. Post #658
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    Meeps's Avatar
    September 2005
    2,552 Posts
    she could be like lee sin's sister or something, cuz she's blind, or it could just be another blind champ
    although you didn't say she was blind i just saw her as blind cuz he's screams and stuff
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  19. Post #659
    <3 Strike Witches <3
    KStyleAzure's Avatar
    May 2008
    14,438 Posts
    Make the ult work like Razor's Q where it balloons up to full AoE then deflates back, dealing damage both ways. Damage amount (or secondary effect if you want to go for that) is based on how far away target is from origin point of AoE ring.

    Edited:

    To be honest, there isn't much synergy in that kit beyond the Q and passive. It just feels like you took a few decent ideas and mashed them together.
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  20. Post #660
    ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽ ﷽
    zerothefallen's Avatar
    March 2010
    8,425 Posts
    morgana ad carry best

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  21. Post #661
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    September 2010
    3,092 Posts
    im gonna be playing a game of lol where you can only buy potions. add dragonitemaster if you wanna play
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  22. Post #662
    Lazyboy0337's Avatar
    October 2010
    3,741 Posts
    im gonna be playing a game of lol where you can only buy potions. add dragonitemaster if you wanna play
    14 potion Mordekaiser is now a thing?
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  23. Post #663
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
    16,815 Posts
    am I the only one who saw some people starting with potions only for a while

    Edited:

    I haven't seen that for some time now, though
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  24. Post #664
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    November 2008
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    0.6 =/= 60%
    lol
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  25. Post #665
    Big Ben's Avatar
    December 2009
    11,865 Posts
    I just got a tier 3 arpen quint by combining 5 tier 2 MR glyphs

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  26. Post #666
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    Dennab
    May 2009
    15,440 Posts
    Shyvana: i'm not the tank, heimer is the tank


    what the fuck
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  27. Post #667
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    December 2006
    2,486 Posts
    Shyvana: i'm not the tank, heimer is the tank


    what the fuck
    well Heimer does have more CC than Shyv
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  28. Post #668
    Big Ben's Avatar
    December 2009
    11,865 Posts


    meesa sad garegare
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  29. Post #669
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
    16,815 Posts


    meesa sad garegare
    people should learn that rushing PD gives you no damage
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  30. Post #670
    black people
    Soldier32's Avatar
    April 2008
    3,934 Posts

    (Q) Amplified Touch

    When used on self or an ally, the next attack the target makes will deal bonus 600 true damage to a minion, or
    50/75/100/125/150 (+0.35 per AP) Magic damage to a Champion or structure.
    BEST
    JUNGLE
    LEASH
    EVER
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  31. Post #671
    Dennab
    September 2011
    1,790 Posts
    Flat AD reds on shyvana for massive w damage y/n?
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  32. Post #672
    Gold Member
    Dennab
    May 2009
    15,440 Posts
    well Heimer does have more CC than Shyv
    Spoilers:

    we lost

    Edited:

    Flat AD reds on shyvana for massive w damage y/n?
    no go arpen
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  33. Post #673
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    November 2008
    10,947 Posts
    pick veigar, next guy picks ziggs 15 seconds later and instalocks

    "okay, no big deal" I say to myself and I pick vayne because why not

    the next two guys instalock lee sin and shen and say "bot with lee xD"

    wonder how this will go



    oh, okay then
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  34. Post #674
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    March 2009
    4,467 Posts
    no go arpen
    WTF is this, first you go on about how arpen is shit, and how much better ad is, now you are saying to go arpen.
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  35. Post #675
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    September 2005
    2,552 Posts
    so ima buy wukong tonight i think
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  36. Post #676
    I randomly change my avatar every week or so
    Chilblain's Avatar
    September 2010
    5,228 Posts
    so ima buy wukong tonight i think
    no, buy ryze instead

    in fact buy 10 of him, work on your army
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  37. Post #677
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    Meeps's Avatar
    September 2005
    2,552 Posts
    i have a ryze already so can i have eleven11 then
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  38. Post #678
    I randomly change my avatar every week or so
    Chilblain's Avatar
    September 2010
    5,228 Posts
    i have a ryze already so can i have eleven11 then
    exactly
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  39. Post #679
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    Dennab
    May 2009
    15,440 Posts
    WTF is this, first you go on about how arpen is shit, and how much better ad is, now you are saying to go arpen.
    arpens better than ad

    obv
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  40. Post #680
    ashxu's Avatar
    February 2009
    22,864 Posts
    So explain to me why everyone thinks Ziggs is OP
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