THE TIME OF MAN HAS COME TO AN END
beep boop fuck the turret
THE TIME OF MAN HAS COME TO AN END
beep boop fuck the turret
I tried roamer mundo the other day
we got first blood
Cause it's about 92 champions that are countered with hard cc and silences, in a couple of weeks it'll be 93!
some teams aren't meant for teamfighting
once, I was playing Yi, with a shaco (and someone else who had really weak teamfight potential, possibly evelynn) on my team, while the enemy had fiddles, tristana and galio or amumu (not sure exactly)
we backdoored so much that they had only 1 turret left, but whenever we engaged them directly, we lost so horribly it wasn't even fun. we won by killing them one by one and split pushing
Getting steamrolled and suddenly ace. We then continued to win the game. Largest kill difference in a victory I ever played.
I know you've already seen it
people on soloq dont know that, though
so teams with twitch, evelynn, master yi and shaco will always have someone say "WE MUST TEAMFIGHT, GUISE"
Ok LB versus Shaco:
They do simmilar things, they're really strong early and they are both terrible lategame.
LB punishes bad mid players, she has amazing flat damage but her ratios are ass so she scales poorly.
Shaco has insane ganks and if you're playing against a good shaco it feels like he's everywhere.
LB is countered by a good mid, if you don't feed to LB you win, even if she out CS's you because she falls off, so long as you still get most of your CS you should be fine. Especially if you have good jungler, at which point if she's pushing (and she will be if she CS's properly because remember she is zoning you a little bit) then you should easily get a mid kill. Assuming perfect play by both players she out CS's you but that's not a big deal, you make the game go longer and longer and she does less and less.
Shaco is countered by wards, awareness, care and your jungler. Shaco rolls bad teams, he finds the weakest player and he turns them into food for whoever they're laning against. His team fighting is ok, he waits for an initiation, deceive in, clone, box, deceive out, rinse repeat. It's not strong team fighting but it should do some damage.
What does kassadin do? He goes Q E E W E R and then gets kills all day. 2 second flash means you're not catching a good kassadin out of position. He's going to jump onto someone, drop a mad burst, then jump out. If he won his lane he can do this to any other lane. It's possible for a kassadin to win all 3 lanes. LB can win maybe 2 lanes but her snare isn't the same as Kassadin's retard fucking E button.
Also kassadin's ratios are insanely good and his E hits a lot of people. Which is huge in team fights. The burst + 3 second slow + rylai's slow can stop a lot of melee champions from doing anything but walking towards your team sometimes, and the damage is a lot considering he's going to be shitting it out 3-4 times in a fight.
quit breaking my automerge
edit: oh no wait, kassadin has amazing ap ratios, i'd better go check out all those high num- oh it's like 2.0 ap if you hit them with your ult + Q + E
No not really, the reality is they went a 5 person AD team against 3 AP champions and didn't build mresist. They have THREE PAIRS OF ZERKER SHOES.
I just... I mean... Ashe built a frozen heart? What the fuck?
this point is stupid, you can hinder some champions with CC but not counter them outright. Garen for example can spin out of any current CCs and while spinning has 50 tenacity. Tryndamere can ult during CC if he gets bursted. etc etc
Leblanc, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.
> Close enough.
Her gap closer is 600 range and her burst combo is 700 range.
Yes I'm just going to sit behind my tower 1300 range away from her while she farms, sounds like a plan.
It's not like I'd get full denied on exp and cs.
Cassiopeia, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.
Kassadin, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC him and he's completely useless and dead.
Vayne, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.
I forgot that garen can't spin whilst silenced and stunning trynd whilst he's ulting works
You could have even mentioned olaf rather than trynd who is pretty much known to be countered by cc. lol.
Correct me if wrong:
Doesn't Shaco fall off lategame if he doesn't get fed?
wait are you trying to tell me that if you hard CC a carry and focus them they're dead??? that's exactly the point I was making. you're dumb.
Closest dominion game so far
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hard CC has a much higher effect on squishies like leblanc and pretty much every other carry
that's why you don't stun the tank in a teamfight
I mean, example A
CC him, not a problem for him really because he's pretty tanky and has a free cleanse
Interrupt her combo and CC her and she's basically completely useless
and any burst-heavy carry like lebonk is going to be completely destroyed by CC, that's why you bring CC
I dunno, they seem pretty similar, especially when you count in that there are 92 champions so I pretty much said every champion
So I'll just "counter" pick everyone using Amumu because he has a stun and a snare and clearly can fuck everyone up
not to mention BV = GG
hell, even veigar is more useful since he can RELIABLY gib a carry.
the only two spells you're guaranteed to hit with LB are her Q and R, which is not that much damage compared to reliable combos.
CC counters leblanc, but CC also counters every single other carry, but it's still a specific counter to Leblanc because she is a squishy burst ap
But it isn't a specific counter to other ap champions because they are all tanky sustained damage champions? or are they just not specifically countered by cc because you said so?
And W is almost always used for repositioning, and her E for shackling the guys that get too close to her.
She'll rarely have a clear shot on a carry during a 5v5 teamfight.
and once you take out her ulti and she hasn't killed anyone, she will have 0 burst potential since now she only has one spell that she's gonna hit if the enemy carry is decently protected
time and positioning counters leblanc
she is great early-mid game because of the lack of 5v5 teamfights and hectic-ness, therefore she can use W as a damage source and hit E more often, but once teamfights happen, she's gonna be down potentially two damage spells
people were complaining about leblanc so I said any team with hard CC and enough brains can kill a leblanc maybe at the cost of one person
so you came in and was like "WELL CC COUNTERS EVERYONE YOU MORON" well, yes, I never said that CC was only effective against a few champions, but there are champions with which you need to prioritize your CC and carry damage on during teamfights because hard CC will shut them down far worse than any other form of CC and similarly hard CC has a greater effect on carries than they do on tanks and some junglers
and now you're clutching at straws trying to make me look like an idiot
and if you look at a leblanc mainers' histories, they generally have well above average kdrs, but end up with average winrates, since LB is only useful midgame-early, but a good ap carry would buy an abyssal or early negatron and play as passively as possible, reducing the amount of kills an lb would potentially have.
also stop taking this thing so personally, protocol
god what a pointless discussion
also hilarious when 2 people argue and then keep rating each others dumb
it's fucking hilarious personally but for the sake of the thread I'll stop