1. Post #1081
    DYRUS BONER
    acfan's Avatar
    June 2010
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    THE TIME OF MAN HAS COME TO AN END

    beep boop fuck the turret
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  2. Post #1082
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    papaya's Avatar
    June 2010
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    I tried roamer mundo the other day

    we got first blood
    but don't
    plz
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  3. Post #1083
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
    Espio's Avatar
    November 2009
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    If and only if your team is retarded.

    Good ward coverage can fuck up Shaco and a team with hard CC and silences can fuck up Leblanc.

    The former a good team should have anyway.
    Shall I give you a list of champions that are countered by hard cc and silences?

    Cause it's about 92 champions that are countered with hard cc and silences, in a couple of weeks it'll be 93!
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  4. Post #1084
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
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    some teams aren't meant for teamfighting

    once, I was playing Yi, with a shaco (and someone else who had really weak teamfight potential, possibly evelynn) on my team, while the enemy had fiddles, tristana and galio or amumu (not sure exactly)

    we backdoored so much that they had only 1 turret left, but whenever we engaged them directly, we lost so horribly it wasn't even fun. we won by killing them one by one and split pushing
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  5. Post #1085
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    April 2010
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    Getting steamrolled and suddenly ace. We then continued to win the game. Largest kill difference in a victory I ever played.
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  6. Post #1086
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    June 2010
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    blitzcock freeweek:

       I know you've already seen it   
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  7. Post #1087
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
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    people on soloq dont know that, though
    so teams with twitch, evelynn, master yi and shaco will always have someone say "WE MUST TEAMFIGHT, GUISE"
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  8. Post #1088
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    December 2005
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    Ok LB versus Shaco:

    They do simmilar things, they're really strong early and they are both terrible lategame.

    LB punishes bad mid players, she has amazing flat damage but her ratios are ass so she scales poorly.

    Shaco has insane ganks and if you're playing against a good shaco it feels like he's everywhere.


    LB is countered by a good mid, if you don't feed to LB you win, even if she out CS's you because she falls off, so long as you still get most of your CS you should be fine. Especially if you have good jungler, at which point if she's pushing (and she will be if she CS's properly because remember she is zoning you a little bit) then you should easily get a mid kill. Assuming perfect play by both players she out CS's you but that's not a big deal, you make the game go longer and longer and she does less and less.

    Shaco is countered by wards, awareness, care and your jungler. Shaco rolls bad teams, he finds the weakest player and he turns them into food for whoever they're laning against. His team fighting is ok, he waits for an initiation, deceive in, clone, box, deceive out, rinse repeat. It's not strong team fighting but it should do some damage.


    What does kassadin do? He goes Q E E W E R and then gets kills all day. 2 second flash means you're not catching a good kassadin out of position. He's going to jump onto someone, drop a mad burst, then jump out. If he won his lane he can do this to any other lane. It's possible for a kassadin to win all 3 lanes. LB can win maybe 2 lanes but her snare isn't the same as Kassadin's retard fucking E button.

    Also kassadin's ratios are insanely good and his E hits a lot of people. Which is huge in team fights. The burst + 3 second slow + rylai's slow can stop a lot of melee champions from doing anything but walking towards your team sometimes, and the damage is a lot considering he's going to be shitting it out 3-4 times in a fight.
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  9. Post #1089
    funion is gay
    Zukriuchen's Avatar
    September 2009
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    quit breaking my automerge

    Edited:

    oh god
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  10. Post #1090
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    LB punishes bad mid players, she has amazing flat damage but her ratios are ass so she scales poorly.
    Uhh, she has something like a total of 4.0 if done right, only 3.7 if using q-r instead of e-r

    edit: oh no wait, kassadin has amazing ap ratios, i'd better go check out all those high num- oh it's like 2.0 ap if you hit them with your ult + Q + E
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  11. Post #1091
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    December 2005
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    Getting steamrolled and suddenly ace. We then continued to win the game. Largest kill difference in a victory I ever played.
    321 CS, you know why you won right? You guys pushed the game until the gold didn't matter.


    No not really, the reality is they went a 5 person AD team against 3 AP champions and didn't build mresist. They have THREE PAIRS OF ZERKER SHOES.

    I just... I mean... Ashe built a frozen heart? What the fuck?
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  12. Post #1092

    June 2011
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    i thought you quit
    I won a single game yesterday, it gave me a morale boost.
    I've won 3 today.
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  13. Post #1093
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
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    Shall I give you a list of champions that are countered by hard cc and silences?

    Cause it's about 92 champions that are countered with hard cc and silences, in a couple of weeks it'll be 93!
    in a few weeks 93 champions will have their health bar reduced when you damage them!!!

    this point is stupid, you can hinder some champions with CC but not counter them outright. Garen for example can spin out of any current CCs and while spinning has 50 tenacity. Tryndamere can ult during CC if he gets bursted. etc etc

    Leblanc, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.
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  14. Post #1094
    ventnor's Avatar
    April 2010
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    Leblanc always does so well because idiot mids get close enough to allow her to combo them to death.
    > Lebonk
    > Close enough.

    Her gap closer is 600 range and her burst combo is 700 range.

    Yes I'm just going to sit behind my tower 1300 range away from her while she farms, sounds like a plan.

    It's not like I'd get full denied on exp and cs.
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  15. Post #1095
    I randomly change my avatar every week or so
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    September 2010
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    Shall I give you a list of champions that are countered by hard cc and silences?

    Cause it's about 92 champions that are countered with hard cc and silences, in a couple of weeks it'll be 93!
    This just in, silences will stop a farmed caitlyn/graves/ashe/sivir/corki/whatever from autoattacking you to death!
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  16. Post #1096
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
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    > Lebonk
    > Close enough.

    Her gap closer is 600 range and her burst combo is 700 range.

    Yes I'm just going to sit behind my tower 1300 range away from her while she farms, sounds like a plan.

    It's not like I'd get full denied on exp and cs.
    So you let her push and have your jungler gank her, then you farm freely while she's gone
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  17. Post #1097
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    Cassiopeia, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.

    Kassadin, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC him and he's completely useless and dead.

    Vayne, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.

    I forgot that garen can't spin whilst silenced and stunning trynd whilst he's ulting works

    You could have even mentioned olaf rather than trynd who is pretty much known to be countered by cc. lol.
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  18. Post #1098
    I wasted a dollar on a stupid title.
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    Correct me if wrong:
    Doesn't Shaco fall off lategame if he doesn't get fed?
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  19. Post #1099
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    This just in, silences will stop a farmed caitlyn/graves/ashe/sivir/corki/whatever from autoattacking you to death!
    hard cc
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  20. Post #1100
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
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    wait are you trying to tell me that if you hard CC a carry and focus them they're dead??? that's exactly the point I was making. you're dumb.
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  21. Post #1101
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    May 2005
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    Closest dominion game so far

    :V
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  22. Post #1102
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    35,883 Posts
    they should seriously add pages to the store again, takes fucking ages to load all the skins on one page
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  23. Post #1103
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    wait are you trying to tell me that if you hard CC a carry and focus them they're dead??? that's exactly the point I was making. you're dumb.
    You're absolutely retarded, I said every champion is countered by hard cc and now you're agreeing with me, amazing argument, I liked the bit where you rated me dumb to prove your point! :)
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  24. Post #1104
    kill yourself
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    You're absolutely retarded, I said every champion is countered by hard cc and now you're agreeing with me, amazing argument, I liked the bit where you rated me dumb to prove your point! :)
    of course hard CC "counters" every champion

    hard CC has a much higher effect on squishies like leblanc and pretty much every other carry

    that's why you don't stun the tank in a teamfight

    I mean, example A

    Garen

    CC him, not a problem for him really because he's pretty tanky and has a free cleanse

    Example B

    Riven

    Extremely combo-reliant

    Interrupt her combo and CC her and she's basically completely useless

    and any burst-heavy carry like lebonk is going to be completely destroyed by CC, that's why you bring CC
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  25. Post #1105
    funion is gay
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    Cassiopeia, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.

    Kassadin, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC him and he's completely useless and dead.

    Vayne, if your team has any semblance of intelligence, CC her and she's completely useless and dead.
    CC stops carries? jesus christ I never knew this!

    I forgot that garen can't spin whilst silenced
    actually, he can

    and stunning trynd whilst he's ulting works
    most of the stuns in the game don't have as much range as his spin
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  26. Post #1106
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    of course hard CC "counters" every champion

    hard CC has a much higher effect on squishies like leblanc and pretty much every other carry
    So could you sum this up in an answer that consisted of the lines:

    Shall I give you a list of champions that are countered by hard cc and silences?

    Cause it's about 92 champions that are countered with hard cc and silences, in a couple of weeks it'll be 93!
    I dunno, they seem pretty similar, especially when you count in that there are 92 champions so I pretty much said every champion
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  27. Post #1107
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
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    So could you sum this up in an answer that consisted of the lines:



    I dunno, they seem pretty similar, especially when you count in that there are 92 champions so I pretty much said every champion
    except your entire argument is based of the technicality of the word "counter" when, yeah, a stun or knockup pretty much interrupts everybody

    So I'll just "counter" pick everyone using Amumu because he has a stun and a snare and clearly can fuck everyone up
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  28. Post #1108
    Flubascrub
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    shaco isn't useful in team fights because he just split pushes and forces the enemy team to have 1 less teammate in the fight

    leblanc does the same thing except the 1 less person is dead and then she can do it again 15 seconds later
    LB won't be able to gib carries if enemy team can protect their carries

    not to mention BV = GG

    Edited:

    hell, even veigar is more useful since he can RELIABLY gib a carry.

    the only two spells you're guaranteed to hit with LB are her Q and R, which is not that much damage compared to reliable combos.
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  29. Post #1109
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
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    except your entire argument is based of the technicality of the word "counter" when, yeah, a stun or knockup pretty much interrupts everybody

    So I'll just "counter" pick everyone using Amumu because he has a stun and a snare and clearly can fuck everyone up
    So let me get this straight

    CC counters leblanc, but CC also counters every single other carry, but it's still a specific counter to Leblanc because she is a squishy burst ap

    But it isn't a specific counter to other ap champions because they are all tanky sustained damage champions? or are they just not specifically countered by cc because you said so?
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  30. Post #1110
    Flubascrub
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    And W is almost always used for repositioning, and her E for shackling the guys that get too close to her.

    She'll rarely have a clear shot on a carry during a 5v5 teamfight.

    and once you take out her ulti and she hasn't killed anyone, she will have 0 burst potential since now she only has one spell that she's gonna hit if the enemy carry is decently protected
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  31. Post #1111
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    April 2010
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    321 CS, you know why you won right? You guys pushed the game until the gold didn't matter.


    No not really, the reality is they went a 5 person AD team against 3 AP champions and didn't build mresist. They have THREE PAIRS OF ZERKER SHOES.

    I just... I mean... Ashe built a frozen heart? What the fuck?
    Such is the life in level 12 blind pick.
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  32. Post #1112
    Flubascrub
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    time and positioning counters leblanc

    she is great early-mid game because of the lack of 5v5 teamfights and hectic-ness, therefore she can use W as a damage source and hit E more often, but once teamfights happen, she's gonna be down potentially two damage spells
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  33. Post #1113
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    So let me get this straight

    CC counters leblanc, but CC also counters every single other carry, but it's still a specific counter to Leblanc because she is a squishy burst ap

    But it isn't a specific counter to other ap champions because they are all tanky sustained damage champions? or are they just not specifically countered by cc because you said so?
    ok since your brain cells are lacking in activity let me sum up what I have said

    people were complaining about leblanc so I said any team with hard CC and enough brains can kill a leblanc maybe at the cost of one person

    so you came in and was like "WELL CC COUNTERS EVERYONE YOU MORON" well, yes, I never said that CC was only effective against a few champions, but there are champions with which you need to prioritize your CC and carry damage on during teamfights because hard CC will shut them down far worse than any other form of CC and similarly hard CC has a greater effect on carries than they do on tanks and some junglers

    and now you're clutching at straws trying to make me look like an idiot
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  34. Post #1114
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    So you let her push and have your jungler gank her, then you farm freely while she's gone
    Yes wait for the minion wave to get to my tower if she only last hits I won't lose most of my CS/get underleved that way.
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  35. Post #1115
    Flubascrub
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    and if you look at a leblanc mainers' histories, they generally have well above average kdrs, but end up with average winrates, since LB is only useful midgame-early, but a good ap carry would buy an abyssal or early negatron and play as passively as possible, reducing the amount of kills an lb would potentially have.

    also stop taking this thing so personally, protocol
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  36. Post #1116
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
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    god what a pointless discussion

    also hilarious when 2 people argue and then keep rating each others dumb
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  37. Post #1117
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
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    Yes wait for the minion wave to get to my tower if she only last hits I won't lose most of my CS/get underleved that way.
    tell me what other options you have without getting in her burst range

    Edited:

    also stop taking this thing so personally, protocol
    it's ok he's resorted to rating me dumb now and using technicalities as a basis of trying to poke holes in things that don't exist

    it's fucking hilarious personally but for the sake of the thread I'll stop
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  38. Post #1118
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    tell me what other options you have without getting in her burst range

    Edited:



    it's ok he's resorted to rating me dumb now and using technicalities as a basis of trying to poke holes in things that don't exist

    it's fucking hilarious personally but for the sake of the thread I'll stop
    that's the point, you can't afford to stay out of her range
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  39. Post #1119
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
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    that's the point, you can't afford to stay out of her range
    which is when your jungler should come in and get rid of her for you so you can farm

    but that's a longshot from what actually will happen and that's why lebonk poops on people
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  40. Post #1120
    ventnor's Avatar
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    which is when your jungler should come in and get rid of her for you so you can farm

    but that's a longshot from what actually will happen and that's why lebonk poops on people
    what are we even discussing
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