1. Post #1081
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    "Duncan Designed" (*cough*bullshit*cough) HB-102s.
    The Duncan Designed stuff isn't that bad. I mean, OEM pups suck, but if you're going to get stuck with a pair, a pair that had some actual thought go into them is better than nothing. Beats no-name no-brand junk.
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  2. Post #1082
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    The Duncan Designed stuff isn't that bad. I mean, OEM pups suck, but if you're going to get stuck with a pair, a pair that had some actual thought go into them is better than nothing. Beats no-name no-brand junk.
    My Omen 6's factory pickups were pretty good for a cheap guitar, I'm gonna use these OEMs for a while and see what they're like before I pursue pickup swaps like the rest of my guitars. I don't really have a pickup plan for it yet, it just depends on money and interest.

    I may go for a set of Duncans, everything else I have is EMGs. I always wanted to try a set of Duncans.
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  3. Post #1083
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    my condolences
    Just wondering, do you hate Gibsons as a whole or is it just certain aspects you hate?
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  4. Post #1084
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    Dennab
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    Just wondering, do you hate Gibsons as a whole or is it just certain aspects you hate?
    don't know about him but I hate gibsons as a whole

    almost as much as I hate Ibanez's solidbodies
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  5. Post #1085
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    are the studio versions of gibson guitars worse than the normal guitars?

    I have my SG Faded Special. Thick neck, great tone, but I dislike humbuckers now. I mean they're great pickups but I enjoy the tone of single coils more.
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  6. Post #1086
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    Dennab
    October 2008
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    are the studio versions of gibson guitars worse than the normal guitars?

    I have my SG Faded Special. Thick neck, great tone, but I dislike humbuckers now. I mean they're great pickups but I enjoy the tone of single coils more.
    they're the same other than appearance
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  7. Post #1087
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    Just wondering, do you hate Gibsons as a whole or is it just certain aspects you hate?
    I loathe gibson as a company

    I don't give a shit about their guitars

    Edited:

    Neither do I. They just look wrong.
    yeah man reverse headstocks and procreation are like the two most revolting things on earth
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  8. Post #1088

    December 2011
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    I find reverse headstocks quite appealing, to be honest. That depends on guitar, of course. Reverse-headstock on strat or tele looks heretical to me, but on a guitar like this, this or this, the reverse headstock really contemplates the guitar (from what i see, at-least). Though, Jackson headstocks look wacky when reversed, that shouldn't be done, under any circumstances.
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  9. Post #1089
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    I quite like reverse headstocks personally, regardless of fender style or more modern designs.

    Also Ibanez & Gibson hate you too buttsex :V
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  10. Post #1090
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    Reverse headstocks aren't that bad. Jackson's ones are a little extreme, but Ibanez ones look pretty good and dare I say it, so do BC Rich's 6 in line reverse headstocks. That's probably the best part of them though.
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  11. Post #1091
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    yeah man reverse headstocks and procreation are like the two most revolting things on earth
    I don't get it...
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  12. Post #1092
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    Hello everyone, my name is Used Car Salesman, and I am an addict.
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  13. Post #1093
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    I don't get it...
    If everyone liked the same things the world would be a boring place.
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  14. Post #1094
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    If everyone liked the same things the world would be a boring place.
    More like the best place ever.
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  15. Post #1095
    THE TRUE SAN DIEGAN WARLORD
    Dennab
    June 2008
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    Are Epiphone's and Gibson's really that all different aside from the locations that they were made in?
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  16. Post #1096
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    Are Epiphone's and Gibson's really that all different aside from the locations that they were made in?
    Quality of wood, electronics, and of course it says made in China. But that doesn't make it a bad guitar.
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  17. Post #1097
    "For I have dined on honey dew..."
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    Hello everyone, my name is Used Car Salesman, and I am an addict.
    the one on the bottom left is gorgeous.
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  18. Post #1098
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    Hello everyone, my name is Used Car Salesman, and I am an addict.


    you aint shit

    Edited:

    not even my whole collection, I've got 3 basses and 2 guitars at the studio I work at
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  19. Post #1099
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    I need help with something.
    I'm playing this riff
    Code:
    I-------------------I----------------------I
    I-------------------I----------------------I-
    I-------------------I---------------------I--
    I-------------------I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4--I
    I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4--I--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--I
    I--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--I-------------------I
    I'm trying to get the V part of the scale, as those are the I and IV parts.
    I am working off of this: http://12bar.de/backing_midi.php on the default settings.
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  20. Post #1100
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    Quality of wood, electronics, and of course it says made in China. But that doesn't make it a bad guitar.
    Just to add a little more to my post. The Epiphone factory in China is managed by two Americans who have worked for Gibson for a long time. On top of that a lot of the machines and techniques used to shape and route the bodies are the same used in the Gibson USA factory. But the one thing I really like is the factory only makes Epiphones so the guy who is making your guitar didn't assemble a tape player the day before. Those things changed my mind about buying an Epiphone, a lot of people are leaving testimonies saying China Epiphones are better than the Korean ones. The Korea factory didn't just make Epiphones, they made a variety of items from different companies. Some of the people putting guitars together in Korea had no experience making guitars. Quite a few of the workers in china actually play guitar.

    So I mean yeah the workmanship might not be like a Gibson and the wood may not be high grade but the guitars are still great for what they are.
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  21. Post #1101

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    Most guitars in 300-600 range tend to be pretty good quality, for price. Still, i can't say that i have played a single guitar made in Asia outside of Japan that was genuinely great guitar. Since Epiphone has 4 factories currently in Korea and 5 in China (according to serial codes), they surely have different approaches to quality control and workers experience with woodwork. Those 2 american's work on one of those, QinDao factory, that specialises in higher end Epiphone's, it's not big suprise that they are pretty good guitars. Still, those sub 300 Epiphones (And every single other brand, no brand makes truly good guitars for less than that) are not that great, and far from even (overpriced) Gibson standards.
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  22. Post #1102
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    Most guitars in 300-600 range tend to be pretty good quality, for price. Still, i can't say that i have played a single guitar made in Asia outside of Japan that was genuinely great guitar. Since Epiphone has 4 factories currently in Korea and 5 in China (according to serial codes), they surely have different approaches to quality control and workers experience with woodwork. Those 2 american's work on one of those, QinDao factory, that specialises in higher end Epiphone's, it's not big suprise that they are pretty good guitars. Still, those sub 300 Epiphones (And every single other brand, no brand makes truly good guitars for less than that) are not that great, and far from even (overpriced) Gibson standards.
    No Epiphone guitars have been made in Korea since 2006, the sub $300 epiphones are made in a different factory in China. The $300 and up Epiphones are made in a single factory in Qingdao.

    There was some confusion with the serial numbers on Epiphones that has led to some confusion on the topic.
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  23. Post #1103
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    But the one thing I really like is the factory only makes Epiphones so the guy who is making your guitar didn't assemble a tape player the day before. Those things changed my mind about buying an Epiphone, a lot of people are leaving testimonies saying China Epiphones are better than the Korean ones. The Korea factory didn't just make Epiphones, they made a variety of items from different companies. Some of the people putting guitars together in Korea had no experience making guitars. Quite a few of the workers in china actually play guitar.
    Uh...To my knowledge, every Korean made Epiphone came from a factory that made only guitars owned by a company that only makes instruments. Going off their serial numbers:

    -Saein only does guitars, worked with Epi, Ibanez, and Peavey, and has their own brand and a second factory in China.
    -UnSung is the same way, though they also make electric violins, and their primary income is from OEM work. They also have their own brand.
    -Peerless is also a multinational company with a lesser asian brand and produces things for Gretsch, previously Epi, and Alvarez.
    -Samick is huge and, again, only an instrument maker, though they own a piano maker as well as multiple guitar brands.

    There's the unspecified "Korean" stuff, but that all cost peanuts and could just as easily have come from any plant anywhere at the price and been terrible.
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  24. Post #1104
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    Uh...To my knowledge, every Korean made Epiphone came from a company that made only guitars. Going off their serial numbers:
    -Saein only does instruments, worked with Epi, Ibanez, and Peavey, and has their own brand and a second factory in China.
    -UnSung is the same way, their primary income is from OEM work, and they have their own brand.
    -Peerless is also a multinational company with a lesser brand and produces things for Gretsch, previously Epi, and Alvarez.
    -Samick is huge and, again, only an instrument maker, though they own a piano maker as well as multiple guitar brands.
    I am taking information from another forum when posting this and the masses seems to agree that while yes, most of the Korean factories were mainly instruments the training used by workers was very static and some were not guitarists so they wouldn't understand simple things like a high fret. Although Samick made some amazing guitars as well as UnSung. The quality of electronics while still shitty has gone up since switching to the Qingdao factory, as well as the quality of workmanship. Another nice feature is every Epiphone is sent to the USA for a second quality control check.

    I am using Epiphone as an example, a lot of things are mass produced in China. Not mainly guitars, but still some of the main concerns on Chinese made guitars are they are made in a huge factory that makes a variety of different items besides guitars. And by saying the Korean factories made a variety of items I am not saying they make computers on the side.

    Honestly I do not care where a guitar is made, the last thing I look at is the back of the headstock to see it's origin. I look for a guitar that plays well and is made with decent quality wood with a good finish. Everything beyond that can be replaced or fixed.
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  25. Post #1105
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    I don't get it...
    reverse headstocks are sexy as fuck

    if you don't like reverse headstocks you don't like having sex

    Edited:

    also

    https://vimeo.com/15252531
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  26. Post #1106
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    Dennab
    October 2008
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    reverse headstocks are sexy as fuck

    if you don't like reverse headstocks you don't like having sex

    Edited:

    also

    https://vimeo.com/15252531
    aesthetically it's subjective but it makes the higher strings more difficult to bend

    I'm already using .12s I don't need any more tension
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  27. Post #1107
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    I need help with something.
    I'm playing this riff
    Code:
    I-------------------I----------------------I
    I-------------------I----------------------I-
    I-------------------I---------------------I--
    I-------------------I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4-I
    I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4--I--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-I
    I--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0--I-------------------I
    I'm trying to get the V part of the scale, as those are the I and IV parts.
    I am working off of this: http://12bar.de/backing_midi.php on the default settings.
    the V should just be B right or am I missing something


    I-------------------I
    I-------------------I
    I-------------------I
    I--4-4-6-6-4-4-6-6--I
    I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4--I
    I-------------------I

    Edited:

    aesthetically it's subjective but it makes the higher strings more difficult to bend

    I'm already using .12s I don't need any more tension
    wow bad taste and weak fingers

    I feel sorry for you man
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  28. Post #1108
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    the V should just be B right or am I missing something


    I-------------------I
    I-------------------I
    I-------------------I
    I--4-4-6-6-4-4-6-6--I
    I--2-2-4-4-2-2-4-4--I
    I-------------------I

    Edited:



    wow bad taste and weak fingers

    I feel sorry for you man
    the issue isn't weak fingers it's that you get less range when bending taut strings
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  29. Post #1109
    loves SHART and apologizes for being a dick
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    no I'm pretty sure you just have baby fingers
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  30. Post #1110
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    got anything with a trem and a reverse headstock? ring out the high and low E, drop the low E about an octave, and tell me whether the high E is sharp or flat
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  31. Post #1111
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    I really want to see how badly you think you need to explain this to me but if I try any harder I'll get banned for trolling
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  32. Post #1112
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    Guys, you're both just beautiful.
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  33. Post #1113
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    I really want to see how badly you think you need to explain this to me but if I try any harder I'll get banned for trolling
    the problem is that you like reverse headstocks

    Edited:

    I suppose it's not an issue for people that like reverse headstocks because they all play in drop C with 9s on cheap Jacksons but for people who actually know how to play reverse headstocks are bad for everyone's health
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  34. Post #1114
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    lmao that was supposed to be insulting wasn't it
    http://www.ibanez.co.jp/PGM20/list.html

    Edited:

    all this talk of baby fingers has turned rather ironic as my left middle finger is cramping up
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  35. Post #1115
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    A guitar with the same scale length but a reversed headstock will still have the same tension in the strings, because the distance from the nut to the bridge doesn't change. Bending won't feel any different.

    Still, i can't say that i have played a single guitar made in Asia outside of Japan that was genuinely great guitar.
    PRS SEs are made in Korea, and I'd say they're genuinely great.
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  36. Post #1116
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    Dennab
    October 2008
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    A guitar with the same scale length but a reversed headstock will still have the same tension in the strings, because the distance from the nut to the bridge doesn't change. Bending won't feel any different.



    PRS SEs are made in Korea, and I'd say they're genuinely great.
    only true with a locking nut. length to end (aka tailpiece to tuning peg) is where the string tension comes from

    ever played a guitar with a bigsby or floating tailpiece? ever noticed the difference in string tension between their stop-tail counterparts? same concept there.
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  37. Post #1117
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    I am taking information from another forum when posting this and the masses seems to agree that while yes, most of the Korean factories were mainly instruments the training used by workers was very static and some were not guitarists so they wouldn't understand simple things like a high fret. Although Samick made some amazing guitars as well as UnSung. The quality of electronics while still shitty has gone up since switching to the Qingdao factory, as well as the quality of workmanship. Another nice feature is every Epiphone is sent to the USA for a second quality control check.
    You'll be the first person I've ever heard claim the Chinese Epis are better than the Korean ones, period. And most of what you're saying sounds like forum kiddies bullshitting.

    And by saying the Korean factories made a variety of items I am not saying they make computers on the side.
    Yeah, but the only things any of them can be said to have made "on the side" are one company's electric violin.
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  38. Post #1118
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    only true with a locking nut. length to end (aka tailpiece to tuning peg) is where the string tension comes from

    ever played a guitar with a bigsby or floating tailpiece? ever noticed the difference in string tension between their stop-tail counterparts? same concept there.
    Why would screwing down the locking nut begin to break the laws of physics all of a sudden

    Hell if anything, having more string behind an unlocked nut should make it easier to bend because the string can slip in the nut a little
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  39. Post #1119
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    Why would screwing down the locking nut begin to break the laws of physics all of a sudden

    Hell if anything, having more string behind an unlocked nut should make it easier to bend because the string can slip in the nut a little
    screwing down a locking nut binds the strings, it's an endpoint


    that's part of why it's easier to bend the upper strings with a standard headstock, because the string can slip
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  40. Post #1120
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    screwing down a locking nut binds the strings, it's an endpoint


    that's part of why it's easier to bend the upper strings with a standard headstock, because the string can slip
    But the tension still remains exactly the same, which is kinda what defines the force required to bend the strings.

    It feels no different to play a FR guitar whether the nut is tightened or not, and my RG7621 tension-wise feels no different to my RG7620 when they have the same strings. It's all in your head man
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