1. Post #2001
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    The things I see lacking in guitarists these days, mid range and solos. I mean I grew up with classic rock so that is probably just me. And by solos I don't mean wailing away playing scales at a million miles per hour. I mean like Shock Me solo badassery. Which might I add was what I was playing when I broke my string.

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    Oh an soul, I like to see players that love playing guitar. And not just for "chicks"...
    Surprisingly, the lead guitarist in my band seems to get hit on a lot by the ladies, but it really doesn't seem to sway him at all. He plays for the sake of playing, not to get in with the (bisexual) ladies. Not bad looking ladies either...

    This is from last Friday. There was this chick, and 2 of her friends that came to the gig, though to be fair, they were pretty much loved all of us

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  2. Post #2002
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    only man tits can sweat like that
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  3. Post #2003
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    If you guys are complaining about current guitarists without soul, then you're obviously not watching Jack White.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frfFj...4D434D72348ABC
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  4. Post #2004
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    if you thought we were serious you obviously didn't read the last page
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  5. Post #2005
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    If you guys are complaining about current guitarists without soul, then you're obviously not watching Jack White.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frfFj...4D434D72348ABC
    jack white wrote some good pop-rock songs
    besides that he's one of the most boring artists ever

    oh yeah ripping off blues artists, shit that's so original except that got old in the 60's.
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  6. Post #2006
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    I can't wait till jack white dies
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  7. Post #2007
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    if you thought we were serious you obviously didn't read the last page
    I do like guitarists with passion for their art.
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  8. Post #2008
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    I hate everything Jack White does.
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    i dunno, chris duarte is a fine current guitarist, but he was as popular as he'll ever be in the 1990s and early 2000s
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  10. Post #2010
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    I hate everything Jack White does.
    Say what now?
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  11. Post #2011
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    The things I see lacking in guitarists these days, mid range and solos.
    wat r mids do u meen teh ting u put at 0 for brutul?
    To be fair, the mid knob on so many amplifiers (or rather its entire tone stack) corresponds with nothing correctly. Some sound better with the mids up, but turning the mids up doesn't do anything to the mids. Others sound good with the mids down, and, again, it does nothing to the mids.
    And in terms of absolutes, a guitar's midrange competes directly with a male vocalist's fullness in multiple genres, so sometimes you have to make something move (more reason to use female vocalists for metal, really.)

    It doesn't help that "midrange" if often defined so broadly that it's basically "everything except the cymbals and bass frequencies". A "mid cut" can refer to practically anything these days.

    Edited:

    Say what now?
    What.

    Edited:

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  12. Post #2012
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    Say what now?
    I don't like Jack White.

    I was taking about this with my friend and he asked me to choose between listening to his music or saving his life. I said I would stand on the edge of a roof of a burning building, hand over the edge, Jack White hanging from it and tell him I was here to save his life because I didn't want to listen to his music.
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  13. Post #2013
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    And in terms of absolutes, a guitar's midrange competes directly with a male vocalist's fullness in multiple genres, so sometimes you have to make something move (more reason to use female vocalists for metal, really.)
    more reason to not have a vocalist you mean

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    also what the fuck I can't find tabs for iron maiden - the duelists

    I would've thought that with fans like theirs' every one of their songs would be tabbed perfectly
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    To be fair, the mid knob on so many amplifiers (or rather its entire tone stack) corresponds with nothing correctly. Some sound better with the mids up, but turning the mids up doesn't do anything to the mids. Others sound good with the mids down, and, again, it does nothing to the mids.
    And in terms of absolutes, a guitar's midrange competes directly with a male vocalist's fullness in multiple genres, so sometimes you have to make something move (more reason to use female vocalists for metal, really.)

    It doesn't help that "midrange" if often defined so broadly that it's basically "everything except the cymbals and bass frequencies". A "mid cut" can refer to practically anything these days.
    I understand that, but I am talking about the type of tone where there is no mid range present. All the notes get lost, it is like listening to the guitar through a pipe it. If it isn't that then it is too much treble or too much bass.

    Think of all those stupid wannabe metal bands that think a good guitar tone is just bass and treble.

    I know my amp sounds good with the mid knob at around 5-6 while my friends amp sounds good around 3.

    I honestly love the idea of a "tone" or "shape" control. Just one control, no BS you just twist it till it sounds right.
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    I understand that, but I am talking about the type of tone where there is no mid range present. All the notes get lost, it is like listening to the guitar through a pipe it. If it isn't that then it is too much treble or too much bass.

    Think of all those stupid wannabe metal bands that think a good guitar tone is just bass and treble.

    I know my amp sounds good with the mid knob at around 5-6 while my friends amp sounds good around 3.

    I honestly love the idea of a "tone" or "shape" control. Just one control, no BS you just twist it till it sounds right.
    This is why I love my P-Bass.
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  16. Post #2016
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    all I want from an amp is a distorted tone I like and a clean tone I like

    what's the point in endlessly tweaking knobs if I already like the sound it makes
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  17. Post #2017
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    all I want from an amp is a distorted tone I like and a clean tone I like

    what's the point in endlessly tweaking knobs if I already like the sound it makes
    Only time I mess with knobs is when I change the location of my amp. It sounds different in every corner of this room.
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  18. Post #2018
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    when i put my distortion pedals up to 10 and pull the guitar near the amp i can use the EQ knobs to make the guitar change its feedbacking note.
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  19. Post #2019
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    I understand that, but I am talking about the type of tone where there is no mid range present. All the notes get lost, it is like listening to the guitar through a pipe it. If it isn't that then it is too much treble or too much bass.

    Think of all those stupid wannabe metal bands that think a good guitar tone is just bass and treble.
    I don't think you're understanding. That's a legitimate concern for that style of metal.

    Think about this scientifically. Let's say you're in Br00tz Metüll Banned, and you're coming to me with that multitrack you recorded in mom's garage to have it polished up before it hits the radio.

    Male vocalists have a fundamental range that spans the entirety of a guitar's. The frequency range necessary to add fullness to a male voice cuts straight through the normal low end of a guitar (120 Hz to 250+ Hz). The frequency range needed to make a male voice sound "natural" runs from 300 Hz to 500 Hz. The frequency range necessary to make a male voice intelligible is 500 Hz to 2 kHz ramping up, steady off to 5 kHz. Your guitar tops out at 5 kHz.

    So of your entire frequency range, that leaves...nothing. Where in the fuck am I going to make room for your guitar? An alternate universe? You get to get noticed in gaps in the low frequencies the bassist leaves (where you'll primarily be, since your bassist is probably basically your drummer, and you'll be in drop Z because br00tal, freeing up a bit of room), and the highest frequencies have some room for you to share because your vocalist is going to be percussive up there, you're going to be melodic, and that range is perceived as less loud than it really is.

    Thus, you sound like you're being listened to through a pipe. And that's as good as I can do for you given the source material. You must have a thin tone or your vocalist can't give himself throat polyps like he's auditioning for a DBZ redub.
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  20. Post #2020
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    yeah generally you either get mud or crap when you're mixing male vocals in metal.
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  21. Post #2021
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    like I said

    kill all singers
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  22. Post #2022
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    yeah generally you either get mud or crap when you're mixing male vocals in metal.
    It can be done- conflicting ranges happen all the time in multiple genres of music. The fact that violas exist doesn't spell chaos for cellists and violinists, despite being in a similar overlap with both. If you can write a male vocalist and a guitarist around each other you can make it work really well.

    The problem is that a lot of modern metal vocals sound, to quote Malmsteen, "like somebody is either shoving something up the vocalist's ass, or something is coming out of his ass and mouth at the same time", which is something you can't really compose for.
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  23. Post #2023
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    the solution is to employ a troll as a vocalist
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  24. Post #2024
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    I don't think you're understanding. That's a legitimate concern for that style of metal.

    Think about this scientifically. Let's say you're in Br00tz Metüll Banned, and you're coming to me with that multitrack you recorded in mom's garage to have it polished up before it hits the radio.

    Male vocalists have a fundamental range that spans the entirety of a guitar's. The frequency range necessary to add fullness to a male voice cuts straight through the normal low end of a guitar (120 Hz to 250+ Hz). The frequency range needed to make a male voice sound "natural" runs from 300 Hz to 500 Hz. The frequency range necessary to make a male voice intelligible is 500 Hz to 2 kHz ramping up, steady off to 5 kHz. Your guitar tops out at 5 kHz.

    So of your entire frequency range, that leaves...nothing. Where in the fuck am I going to make room for your guitar? An alternate universe? You get to get noticed in gaps in the low frequencies the bassist leaves (where you'll primarily be, since your bassist is probably basically your drummer, and you'll be in drop Z because br00tal, freeing up a bit of room), and the highest frequencies have some room for you to share because your vocalist is going to be percussive up there, you're going to be melodic, and that range is perceived as less loud than it really is.

    Thus, you sound like you're being listened to through a pipe. And that's as good as I can do for you given the source material. You must have a thin tone or your vocalist can't give himself throat polyps like he's auditioning for a DBZ redub.
    I understand the need in certain genres but I am talking about "that guy" on youtube who plays a B.C. Rich warbeast and he is playing... Let's say, Love Bites by Halestorm. Only problem is he thinks his best tone is just cranking the gain to 10 along with his bass and treble. But NO NO don't touch the mid EQ knob because that makes his tone sound too whiny. So he goes and does his cover and while he is playing all it sounds like is charlie brown's teacher. All those cool guitar fills get lost in the mix. And the guitar tone is so fuzzy even Jimi Hendrix is turning in his grave.

    If there is a metal guitar tone I like, this is it...

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  25. Post #2025
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    Bleh. Trying to record a cover of Shock Me and I had about 30 attempts, my 4th one came out perfect but listening back to it there was a skip in the audio which threw off the sound. I got so mad at the 31st attempt that I had to blow off some steam, my fingers just gave out haha.


    The whole thing was sloppy and my guitar was out of tune. DONT'T WORRY! The guitar is fine, it has suffered worse.
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  26. Post #2026
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    sick pants homie
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  27. Post #2027
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    sick pants homie
    Hell yeah, chili pajamas.
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  28. Post #2028
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    I'm gonna have to call Guitar Protection Services, apologizing doesn't fix the mental and emotional pain >:(
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  29. Post #2029
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    I'm gonna have to call Guitar Protection Services, apologizing doesn't fix the mental and emotional pain >:(
    :)

    Better than the time before I had strap locks I dropped the guitar onto the ground, it made the most horrible noise and I thought the headstock broke but it was fine. It has been dropped, thrown(obviously) and it still loves me. Worst thing that happened was the neck flew off and it stripped out the mounting holes but some dowels and wood glue and it is just fine.
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  30. Post #2030
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    just set up my destroyer again for standard tuning

    spent half an hour trying to figure out where all this fret buzz was coming from on the low e

    finally realized it was hitting the neck pickup
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  31. Post #2031
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    just set up my destroyer again for standard tuning

    spent half an hour trying to figure out where all this fret buzz was coming from on the low e

    finally realized it was hitting the neck pickup
    back in my day if you weren't digging a hole in the neck pup you were doing something wrong
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  32. Post #2032
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    was this acceptable back in your day too
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    was this acceptable back in your day too
    Wow looking at my history I have only been banned twice... YAY!
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  34. Post #2034
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    The fact that violas exist doesn't spell chaos for cellists and violinists, despite being in a similar overlap with both.
    well i imagine that's a bit of an easier job considering in most classical music the instruments tend to play notes with a group of musicians in harmonically stable increments.
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    well i imagine that's a bit of an easier job considering in most classical music the instruments tend to play notes with a group of musicians in harmonically stable increments.
    Oh sure, I'm just saying the "this is my frequency range, you are not welcome in my frequency range" problem isn't inherent to having vocalists, just shitty vocalists and the inability to write music.
    But a lot of that junk is popular, and it requires awful guitars.
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  36. Post #2036
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    Bleh. Trying to record a cover of Shock Me and I had about 30 attempts, my 4th one came out perfect but listening back to it there was a skip in the audio which threw off the sound. I got so mad at the 31st attempt that I had to blow off some steam, my fingers just gave out haha.


    The whole thing was sloppy and my guitar was out of tune. DONT'T WORRY! The guitar is fine, it has suffered worse.
    Ahaha I'd never dare to throw my guitar away like that
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  37. Post #2037
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    Oh sure, I'm just saying the "this is my frequency range, you are not welcome in my frequency range" problem isn't inherent to having vocalists, just shitty vocalists and the inability to write music.
    But a lot of that junk is popular, and it requires awful guitars.
    Agreed.

    Edited:

    Ahaha I'd never dare to throw my guitar away like that
    I wouldn't do that to me new explorer.

    But in the end if I break it I fix it.
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  38. Post #2038
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    was this acceptable back in your day too

    Well considering that the first time I bought gm was when buying it for $10 was the only way to get it, yes.
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    Bleh. Trying to record a cover of Shock Me and I had about 30 attempts, my 4th one came out perfect but listening back to it there was a skip in the audio which threw off the sound. I got so mad at the 31st attempt that I had to blow off some steam, my fingers just gave out haha.


    The whole thing was sloppy and my guitar was out of tune. DONT'T WORRY! The guitar is fine, it has suffered worse.
    I gotta have that as an avatar .apng

    Edited:

    The part where you throw it.
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    [QUOTE=cpt.armadillo;35996110]I gotta have that as an avatar .apng
    -useless-
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