1. Post #721
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    Van-man's Avatar
    August 2009
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    Honestly, if people want to use their Virt-tool of their choice, then why bother telling them to change?

    VMware-player and Virtualbox aren't that bad compared to workstation.

    if they get the job done, then why change?
    Because that 0,1% performance gain and those functions you're never gonna use are SOOOO important.
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  2. Post #722
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    714 Posts
    Honestly, if people want to use their Virt-tool of their choice, then why bother telling them to change?

    VMware-player and Virtualbox aren't that bad compared to workstation.

    if they get the job done, then why change?
    Because the vSMP is much better as well as the page sharing and the hardware I/O support, sure if he wants a single core and no direct I/O control then virtual box is fine

    Edited:

    Because that 0,1% performance gain and those functions you're never gonna use are SOOOO important.
    Do you even understand vSMP
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  3. Post #723
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    1,665 Posts
    I am just tired of Windows and Mac fanboys.
    I like Linux because you can do so much with it, and it is FREE.

    However i don't wan't to lose my GMOD and all the other games in my steam.
    Buuuut, steam for Linux soon

    Still, i don't wan't dualboot.
    Good my life is a pain in the anus.
    - Butt*
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  4. Post #724
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    714 Posts
    I like Linux because you can do so much with it, and it is FREE.
    Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.
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  5. Post #725
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,551 Posts
    Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.
    Why? I think the fact that you can do whatever the fuck you want with it is a pretty strong argument.
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  6. Post #726
    Rayjingstorm's Avatar
    June 2010
    1,313 Posts
    Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.
    Thanks for the constructive input?
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  7. Post #727
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    714 Posts
    Why? I think the fact that you can do whatever the fuck you want with it is a pretty strong argument.
    When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.

    For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"
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  8. Post #728
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
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    When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.

    For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"
    Actually, I am. I'm a desktop Linux user myself, and have been for years, and so is my fiancee. We're both customizing the shit out of Linux, and being able to recode a lot of shit really helps towards this goal. Also, removing unwanted features with Portage in Gentoo fucking rocks anyones socks way off.
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  9. Post #729
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    Do you even understand vSMP
    Considering the program is a limited time beta, I think I can live without.
    Wake me up when VmWare Player has it, at-least there I won't have to worry about a time frame.
    And let's not forget
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  10. Post #730
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    August 2005
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    I have Fedora and W7 installed. If I want to "refresh" my W7 install, how would I go about this? If I take the installation W7 CD and select my C partition, it should normally leave the Linux partition unharmed, right (since it's plain invisible to windows)?
    And installing Ubuntu requires the same swap partitions as Fedora I guess? (not doing much with Fedora so might as well go back to Ubuntu).
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  11. Post #731
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    1,665 Posts
    Wow, arguments/discussions because of my opinion?
    Not good

    I just love Linux, even tho' I'm not a pro at terminal etc.
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  12. Post #732
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    May 2008
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    When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.

    For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"
    Generally the people using the "winB|0w$" or "micro$oft" terms are looked down upon and of course you can mess with Windows to make it do what you want, but I find that Linux is a lot easier to play with in terms of settings. If someone wants to use Windows or even Mac they can go right ahead if it suits their needs and the same goes for Linux.

    There's also a lot of features that a Linux server doesn't use that a Linux desktop would use. It would be wise to note there's a difference between the two.
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  13. Post #733
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    neos300's Avatar
    July 2008
    3,403 Posts
    Wow, I'm really loving Arch.

    Might replace Fedora with it on my crap computer.
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  14. Post #734
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    November 2005
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    I have Fedora and W7 installed. If I want to "refresh" my W7 install, how would I go about this? If I take the installation W7 CD and select my C partition, it should normally leave the Linux partition unharmed, right (since it's plain invisible to windows)?
    And installing Ubuntu requires the same swap partitions as Fedora I guess? (not doing much with Fedora so might as well go back to Ubuntu).
    You should be able to just install Windows on your NTFS partition and Fedora will be fine. The only problem that could occur is if GRUB is your primary boot loader. Installing Windows might get rid of that.
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  15. Post #735
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    August 2005
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    So that would result in either everything exploding and screwing up both OS'es or Fedora will just become unbootable, but that's no huge problem since I'm going back to Ubuntu...
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  16. Post #736
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    May 2008
    1,982 Posts
    It should leave Fedora alone. All you would need to do is go back and reinstall grub to the MBR in order to boot back in.
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  17. Post #737
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    December 2009
    956 Posts
    I've managed to get Arch running with GNOME 3 and im very happy with it but before I choose GNOME as my desktop environment im wondering what the others are like. LXDE, KDE, Xfce.

    What do you guys like to use as your Desktop Enviroment?
    Try Cinnamon, it's built ontop of GNOME 3 and shares GNOME 2's layout. A very nice crossover if I do say so myself. (I know I'm late to answer, but it can't hurt.)
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  18. Post #738
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    May 2010
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    You should be able to just install Windows on your NTFS partition and Fedora will be fine. The only problem that could occur is if GRUB is your primary boot loader. Installing Windows might get rid of that.
    boot from a live CD, reinstall GRUB, and the problem is gone.
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  19. Post #739

    November 2010
    681 Posts
    If i uninstall wubi will windows still boot? Basically need to know if wubi replaces MBR with grub, and if i uninstall will it put MBR back in the event that it does indeed use grub...


    Reason I'm uninstalling it is because when i chose to boot from ubuntu on startup it goes to the ubuntu loading screen, then once it's done loading the screen just goes black.
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  20. Post #740
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    January 2012
    152 Posts
    Has anyone tried crunchbang? If so how is it?
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  21. Post #741
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
    14,789 Posts
    Has anyone tried crunchbang? If so how is it?
    I've had good experiences.
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  22. Post #742
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    January 2012
    152 Posts
    I've had good experiences.
    is there a way to dualboot with windows?
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  23. Post #743
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,551 Posts
    If i uninstall wubi will windows still boot? Basically need to know if wubi replaces MBR with grub, and if i uninstall will it put MBR back in the event that it does indeed use grub...


    Reason I'm uninstalling it is because when i chose to boot from ubuntu on startup it goes to the ubuntu loading screen, then once it's done loading the screen just goes black.
    wubi is installed inside Windows, and so it uses the Windows bootloader. Nothing is replaced at any time.
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  24. Post #744
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    1,665 Posts
    Really want to get on with Arch, but on the other hand.
    I know very little about linux, so maybe i should really go for a other distro.

    Or set it up in virtualbox/vmware so i can practice.
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  25. Post #745
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,551 Posts
    Really want to get on with Arch, but on the other hand.
    I know very little about linux, so maybe i should really go for a other distro.

    Or set it up in virtualbox/vmware so i can practice.
    Just set up VirtualBox already?
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  26. Post #746
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    1,665 Posts
    Just set up VirtualBox already?
    Lazyness.
    I also said that i should maybe just go for a more self-installing distro.

    I like XFCE. And i always used Ubuntu, well apart for a month in Mint.
    So Xubuntu could be a choice.
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  27. Post #747

    November 2010
    681 Posts
    For some reason grub installed onto my live usb instead of on the hard drive.... anyway to fix this? Also can I change the size of the partition I gave it, accidentally fucked it up.
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  28. Post #748
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,551 Posts
    For some reason grub installed onto my live usb instead of on the hard drive.... anyway to fix this? Also can I change the size of the partition I gave it, accidentally fucked it up.
    Reinstall grub, then select your harddrive as the installation target and not the USB. How did you even manage to do that?
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  29. Post #749

    November 2010
    681 Posts
    NO clue, I even used the reccomended side by side settings... Idk the command to reinstall grub and idk how to view the name of my hard dive on ubuntu.. I think when I clicked on the advance settings tab during installation i may have changed it....... This never happened when installing on my desktop, but if I don't boot from usb linux wont load and it says that there is an error with a partition then proceeds to boot windows. When I search all the boot folders for grub nothing shows up, but when i search the usb for grub it appears, and i checked the partition to make sure that linux is indeed there, so I'm sur grub did only make it to the usb. D: but yes what's the command and how do i view my hard drive name in ubuntu.

    Edited:

    Sorry shitty grammar I'm kinda nervous im going to fuck shit up and I don't have w7 disks. D:

    Edited:

    AND ive searched ask ubuntu and it seems no one has asked anything about accidentally installing grub on their live usb, and it seems everyone gives different commands in the terminal for reinstalling it.

    Edited:

    Just deleted everything gonna re install, only thing is now on boot up it says that my main partition isnt consistent, then tries to check it but automatically cancels. How do i fix this?
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  30. Post #750
    Tucan Sam's Avatar
    May 2007
    714 Posts
    Considering the program is a limited time beta, I think I can live without.
    Wake me up when VmWare Player has it, at-least there I won't have to worry about a time frame.
    And let's not forget
    VMware player has it the beta just has the enhanced verison of it

    Edited:

    Lazyness.
    I also said that i should maybe just go for a more self-installing distro.

    I like XFCE. And i always used Ubuntu, well apart for a month in Mint.
    So Xubuntu could be a choice.
    Arch may not be for you then
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  31. Post #751
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
    14,789 Posts
    is there a way to dualboot with windows?

    Presumably you get the option during installation. I haven't tried dualbooting crunchbang. If it doesn't provide the option just get a grub installation disk and it should detect everything
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  32. Post #752
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    August 2010
    589 Posts
    Is it worth the time costumizing and building stuff with portage on Gentoo? And does it take much more time than 3-4 hours building almost all the stuff? I might try out Gentoo or Sabayon so I just want to know what to avoid as an experienced Arch user and do the preferred way.
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  33. Post #753
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    December 2009
    956 Posts
    Lazyness.
    I also said that i should maybe just go for a more self-installing distro.

    I like XFCE. And i always used Ubuntu, well apart for a month in Mint.
    So Xubuntu could be a choice.
    people are bullshitting you, installing arch is easy as taking a piss. Just load up a virtual machine and give it your best, follow a tutorial should you find it necessary.

    Edited:

    seriously I think the hardest part is manually partitioning your hard disk but that's just as easy if you skim some Arch Wiki pages on the subject beforehand.
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  34. Post #754
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    May 2010
    2,301 Posts
    Installing Arch is easy, but long.
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  35. Post #755
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    November 2009
    601 Posts
    Hey guys, got a quick question;

    What is the most lightweight DE for Arch Linux? Like, something that can be crammed up in a maximum of 1.1 GB (2 GB USB stick, mind you).
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  36. Post #756
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    October 2005
    6,121 Posts
    Hey guys, got a quick question;

    What is the most lightweight DE for Arch Linux? Like, something that can be crammed up in a maximum of 1.1 GB (2 GB USB stick, mind you).
    You basically have three choices:
    LXDE
    XFCE
    Or a 'custom-built' DE with only the things you need, using a WM of your choice.

    I've personally done the last thing, I just installed e-svn and just added apps I find myself using a lot - Chrome, Abiword, Audacious, urxvt, wine, etc etc
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  37. Post #757
    supervoltage's Avatar
    November 2009
    601 Posts
    You basically have three choices:
    LXDE
    XFCE
    Or a 'custom-built' DE with only the things you need, using a WM of your choice.

    I've personally done the last thing, I just installed e-svn and just added apps I find myself using a lot - Chrome, Abiword, Audacious, urxvt, wine, etc etc
    The last option is quite out of my league, I'm just a Linux beginner :p

    So, out of LXDE and XFCE, which one has the biggest advantage? I see LXDE has a smaller size, but I've used XFCE on a VM once and liked it, never tried LXDE though.
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  38. Post #758
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    October 2005
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    The last option is quite out of my league, I'm just a Linux beginner :p

    So, out of LXDE and XFCE, which one has the biggest advantage? I see LXDE has a smaller size, but I've used XFCE on a VM once and liked it, never tried LXDE though.
    LXDE is just as tiny as possible, basically..Its just the bare essentials. I don't like it personally.
    And what exactly is so hard about the last option? The hardest part might be setting up xinitrc, really..Once you get the WM running, everything else is easy.
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  39. Post #759
    supervoltage's Avatar
    November 2009
    601 Posts
    LXDE is just as tiny as possible, basically..Its just the bare essentials. I don't like it personally.
    And what exactly is so hard about the last option? The hardest part might be setting up xinitrc, really..Once you get the WM running, everything else is easy.
    Very well then.. I'm waiting for some recommendations. My goal is to create a tiny and quick operating system which I can carry around.
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  40. Post #760
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    October 2005
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    Very well then.. I'm waiting for some recommendations. My goal is to create a tiny and quick operating system which I can carry around.
    Well, again, I went with Enlightenment DR 17, e-svn in the arch repo, and I use LXDM as my display manager..It works well for me and makes for a fairly light and quick system.

    You could also try Openbox (requires a decent amount of configuration), awesome (same), or any of the various window managers out there for Linux..

    Once I got that all running I just checked the Common Applications page on the Arch wiki for apps to install and went from there. I looked for mostly GTK+ based stuff, since KDE based things pull a bunch of libs and its a waste of space..

    Edited:

    e-svn and all its dependencies (excluding Xorg) are only about 25 mb (!)
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