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Barbarian887 · 2nd October 2012

Place the envmapmask into the bumpmap's Alpha channel, then do $normalmapalphaenvmapmask 1 in the .vmt

do i need to be using the vertexlitgeneric shader?

**Firegod522** · 2nd October 2012

no

**Gmod4ever** · 2nd October 2012

No one has any ideas at all regarding my bizarre lines problem?

I'd really like to finish porting that map, but the lines are a bit of a major issue. The other things, such as missing content and lighting, I can rebuild, but the lines I don't know how to deal with.

**Firegod522** · 2nd October 2012

I remember back when everyone first started porting these maps over, and I believe it had something to do with a shader valve used that isn't available in another branch.

**Gmod4ever** · 2nd October 2012

Any idea what could be using the shader, or how to remedy the issue?

**jbep3** · 2nd October 2012

give us the VMT you're using for the material giving the issues

**thejjokerr** · 2nd October 2012

Is there a way to have 1 color correction applied to the entire map, and a few area's where there will be no color correction? So an exception to the color correction, rather than having color corrections everywhere?

I want to have no color correction inside, only outside.

**Gmod4ever** · 2nd October 2012

jbep3 posted:

give us the VMT you're using for the material giving the issues

Uhhh....

It's a whole map port...

I'm not going to go through every single texture in the map right now. I intend to later, but not right now.

mcilona · 2nd October 2012

Still wondering if I should be concerned or not about which detail brushes I group together

Does It make a difference if I were to group all the detail brushes on this building (even though they are separate) into one func_detail entity? Would it cause problems if I did? does the amount of func_details count towards the ent data?
Thanks

**jbep3** · 2nd October 2012

Gmod4ever posted:

Uhhh....

It's a whole map port...

I'm not going to go through every single texture in the map right now. I intend to later, but not right now.

i don't get it, are the lines appearing in place of/on a single texture? you say it happens in hammer too, what's the issue with just selecting the texture and finding the vmt from there?

the "uhhh...." makes it sound like i'm asking some ridiculous difficult task, not something that can be done with mat_crosshair or the material face tool in 5 seconds from the information you've given

**TCB** · 2nd October 2012

thejjokerr posted:

Is there a way to have 1 color correction applied to the entire map, and a few area's where there will be no color correction? So an exception to the color correction, rather than having color corrections everywhere?

I want to have no color correction inside, only outside.

the method used is explained in this video

**jbep3** · 2nd October 2012

mcilona posted:

Still wondering if I should be concerned or not about which detail brushes I group together

Does It make a difference if I were to group all the detail brushes on this building (even though they are separate) into one func_detail entity? Would it cause problems if I did? does the amount of func_details count towards the ent data?
Thanks

func_details don't count towards the ent data, no difference between having multiple brushes be a single func_detail or multiple func_detail.

**Gmod4ever** · 2nd October 2012

jbep3 posted:

i don't get it, are the lines appearing in place of/on a single texture? you say it happens in hammer too, what's the issue with just selecting the texture and finding the vmt from there?

the "uhhh...." makes it sound like i'm asking some ridiculous difficult task, not something that can be done with mat_crosshair or the material face tool in 5 seconds from the information you've given

No, they are not appearing in place of a texture.

They are literally floating randomly in worldspace. Their position and orientation changes depending on viewer position and orientation. They are never in the same place twice.

There is no single texture it comes from - it appears to be coming from the bottom of the Hammer grid and tracing up to the top, at (again) random slopes that constantly change, from what I can trace out in the Hammer viewport.

The only thing I have traced down is that it appears that about 80% of the lines are occurring right around the origin, and appear to be happening around the north-south (up/down) grid-line that goes through the origin.

However, there are a few lines that appear nowhere close at all to the origin of the map.

The reason it sounds like a ridiculous task and not something that can be done with mat_crosshair or the material face tool is because it is a ridiculous task and not something that can be done with mat_crosshair or the material face tool.

I would appreciate it if, in the future, you didn't go out of your way to insult my intelligence. If it was as simple as "oh these lines are tracing the outline of a brush" or "all of these lines are coming from a single material", then I would have addressed that issue. However, as I said, this is not the case. This is something I have never witnessed before, and I have done everything I can think of, short of going through every single VMT that L4D2 and the custom map uses. Nothing sheds any more light on the issue.

Here is a collection of 18 screenshots in Hammer, showing off the lines in their various positions, formations, and orientations. The only things I have determined is they seem to go from the bottom of the Hammer grid to the top, the highest concentration of lines is around the map origin (the lounge in the first few pictures is built on the origin), and they will only appear in the viewport if my camera's pitch is positive (above the horizontal).

http://filesmelt.com/dl/TheLinesOfEvil.rar

I really hope someone can give me some helpful suggestions here.

**Chilean_Wolf** · 3rd October 2012

Anyone who knows CS:GO mapping here? I'm working on a map, and I can't join any team while testing it. Choosing a team makes the screen freeze at the team image, but I can hear footsteps of the bot in the background.

Spectating works fine for some reason, though the match never really starts. And the bots get stuck a lot so I can't look at the whole map.

This is what happens when I pick a team:

Edited:

Well shit maybe the update broke something. Just made another map, a really shit test one, with a skybox, a platform and 2 player spawns: same story.

**jbep3** · 3rd October 2012

Gmod4ever posted:

I would appreciate it if, in the future, you didn't go out of your way to insult my intelligence. If it was as simple as "oh these lines are tracing the outline of a brush" or "all of these lines are coming from a single material", then I would have addressed that issue. However, as I said, this is not the case. This is something I have never witnessed before, and I have done everything I can think of, short of going through every single VMT that L4D2 and the custom map uses. Nothing sheds any more light on the issue..

you told us you were porting a map which had wireframe lines that, as you moved, "their positions and orientation change" and it happens in hammer. we're not psychic, it is not obvious that you are talking about wireframe faces appearing in 3d space in the world, not wireframe lines on a face which is exactly what happens when you are missing a shader, hence the reply from Firegod522 about missing shaders.

apologies for trying to dig deeper into the problem. if you're looking for help try to actually explain your situation a bit better and not assume that any attempts to coerce more information was an insult to your intelligence.

**Gmod4ever** · 3rd October 2012

Fair enough.

In my original post, in the WIP thread, I had made an effort to note that the lines were in worldspace.

It appears that when I retconned that post into the post in this thread, I left that out. I thought I had kept that information in, but apparently I did not. I apologize for that.

That being said, you now have more information. Anyone have any ideas?

NotExactly · 3rd October 2012

In my 50s map I'm using mat_hsv 1 to make it black and white - is there any way to get that to enter automatically when the map compiles?

**Ray551** · 3rd October 2012

You should be able to use a logic_auto to fire a command right when you spawn. I can't really explain how exactly to do it, but maybe you should look into it!

Edited:

I've got a question myself though:
I need to use some textures from Tomb Raider 2, got them from a TR level editor resource page. Question is: How does one extract those textures from the .tga file in which they are saved? I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to textures.

**Firegod522** · 3rd October 2012

NotExactly posted:

In my 50s map I'm using mat_hsv 1 to make it black and white - is there any way to get that to enter automatically when the map compiles?

You can use a color_correction entity.

Azzator · 3rd October 2012

How can I fix this without adding any more lights? I want to maintain the darkness but get rid of these awful looking shadows.

**Kwaq** · 3rd October 2012

if you want it all to be solid blackness you could just add block light brushes to prevent any light source from seeping in

NotExactly · 3rd October 2012

Firegod522 posted:

You can use a color_correction entity.

In my experience it's impossible to get color_correction to do complete desaturation, it just ends up looking slightly washed out

And is it possible to get a logic_auto to trigger a console command? Seems like the kind of thing that should go in compile settings somewhere.

Edit: Never mind, managed to do it by putting '+mat_hsv 1' into the compile command thing.

**Ray551** · 3rd October 2012

So, after knowing the way one would switch bodygroups per I/O... how do I exactly use it? What do I enter as a code? Model viewer got several options for the model, such as torso skin 4. I tried using "torso4" as an output for SetBodygroup, but it didn't work. Is there a tutorial or anything?

LtKyle2 · 3rd October 2012

LtKyle2 posted:

So apparently clicking the texture tool crashes Hammer.

What do?

Still need help on this.

**Gmod4ever** · 3rd October 2012

Ray551 posted:

You should be able to use a logic_auto to fire a command right when you spawn. I can't really explain how exactly to do it, but maybe you should look into it!

Edited:

I've got a question myself though:
I need to use some textures from Tomb Raider 2, got them from a TR level editor resource page. Question is: How does one extract those textures from the .tga file in which they are saved? I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to textures.

If the textures are already in .tga, then you can just use VTFEdit.

Here's the Valve Dev Wiki article on how to make textures (VTFs, VMTs, all that stuff).

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...ing_a_Material

If you have any issues, just PM me. I'll help you out best I can.

**Ray551** · 3rd October 2012

Gmod4ever posted:

If the textures are already in .tga, then you can just use VTFEdit.

Here's the Valve Dev Wiki article on how to make textures (VTFs, VMTs, all that stuff).

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...ing_a_Material

If you have any issues, just PM me. I'll help you out best I can.

I've looked into it for a second and VTFEdit really helped me out already. I'm gonna check the options out a little more, thanks for helping!

**kaine123** · 3rd October 2012

Is there a console command that can position the player and the direction of where the player is looking?

**Cheshire_cat** · 4th October 2012

Use point_viewcontrol for that sort of stuff.

**Gmod4ever** · 4th October 2012

Okay, so I wrote up a quick script to iterate through all the VMTs, because I wasn't going to manually go through over ten thousand VMTs.

Note that this isn't just L4D2 content, but also Portal content and some other things.

Basically, all the script does is record every VMT and the first line in the VMT (which should be the shader).

I also wrote in a function for the script to just give me a count of how many VMTs use each shader ("shader" being the first line of the VMT).

Here are the results. Note that this is after I filtered out all VMTs with "model" in their filepath (aka I filtered out the model texturepaths) because I am pretty certain that model shaders wouldn't cause this issue in Hammer.

-------- COUNT ---------
= 14
engine_post = 2
shatteredglass = 7
filmdust = 1
hdrselectrange = 1
decalmodulate = 210
floatcombine = 1
subrect = 89
basetimesmod2xenvmap = 1
sky = 138
worldvertextransition = 121
lightmappedgeneric = 3040
sample4x4_blend = 2
unlitgeneric = 1008
writez = 1
volumetricfog = 1
bms_flare_threshold = 1
debugluxels = 4
spritecard = 209
unlittwotexture_dx6 = 2
blurfiltery = 5
showdestalpha = 4
sprite = 99
sample4x4 = 6
debuglightingonly = 1
bms_flare_modulate = 1
floatcombine_autoexpose = 1
wireframe = 15
floattoscreen = 3
skyfog = 1
internalframesync = 1
//unlitgeneric = 1
splinerope = 10
vertexlitgeneric = 105
monitorscreen = 1
downsample = 2
bms_flare = 1
lightshafts = 1
bms_scanlines = 1
depthwrite = 1
debugfbtexture = 1
blurfilterx = 3
downsample_nohdr = 3
yuv = 1
debugtextureview = 2
translucentlightmap = 1
modulate = 4
filmgrain = 1
patch = 183
bms_postprocess = 1
motionblur = 1
unlittwotexture = 19
writestencil = 1
particlesphere = 1
windowimposter = 1
water = 61
hsv = 1
$zero = 1
lightmappedgeneric = 22
colorcorrection = 1
showz = 1
// envmaptint_fix = 3
cable = 3
screenspace_general = 16
shadow = 4
refract = 17
bloom = 1
depthoffield = 1
vertexnormals = 1
occlusion = 1
------------------------

Are there any shader names that are jumping out to you guys that could possibly be the culprit, assuming my lines are being caused by an unrecognized shader? I don't know what all shaders are allowed in OB source and what aren't, so yeah.

**Firegod522** · 4th October 2012

Gmod4ever posted:

Okay, so I wrote up a quick script to iterate through all the VMTs, because I wasn't going to manually go through over ten thousand VMTs.

Note that this isn't just L4D2 content, but also Portal content and some other things.

Basically, all the script does is record every VMT and the first line in the VMT (which should be the shader).

I also wrote in a function for the script to just give me a count of how many VMTs use each shader ("shader" being the first line of the VMT).

Here are the results. Note that this is after I filtered out all VMTs with "model" in their filepath (aka I filtered out the model texturepaths) because I am pretty certain that model shaders wouldn't cause this issue in Hammer.

Are there any shader names that are jumping out to you guys that could possibly be the culprit, assuming my lines are being caused by an unrecognized shader? I don't know what all shaders are allowed in OB source and what aren't, so yeah.

You could always ask http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1060604

**Gmod4ever** · 4th October 2012

I may have to. No idea when he was last on, though, or if he had these issues.

Further refinement. Built another script to crawl through the VMF and grab all the materials used in the map, and then cross-referenced that with my VMT crawler.

Here are the results of that:

Code:

:
		1	=	dev/black_cheap.vmt
lightmappedgeneric:
		1	=	custom/audiomixer.vmt
		2	=	custom/gym_poster02.vmt
		3	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/wood_1_05.vmt
		4	=	metal/metaltrack001a.vmt
		5	=	wood/wood_panel01a.vmt
		6	=	custom/aqua_glass.vmt
		7	=	nature/trees_card01.vmt
		8	=	custom/woodpanel.vmt
		9	=	plaster/ceiling_white01off.vmt
		10	=	decals/cards_playing00.vmt
		11	=	custom/aquasockel.vmt
		12	=	custom/teppich_blau.vmt
		13	=	realworldtextures/newer/0/bricks_0_23.vmt
		14	=	realworldtextures/floor/wood_floor_5.vmt
		15	=	glass/urban_window_01c.vmt
		16	=	custom/teppich_2.vmt
		17	=	decals/paper01.vmt
		18	=	liquids/water_reflections.vmt
		19	=	overlays/urban_paintswatch_03a.vmt
		20	=	custom/gym_poster01.vmt
		21	=	custom/tv/roxgif.vmt
		22	=	custom/jalousien.vmt
		23	=	realworldtextures/glass.vmt
		24	=	wood/wood_panel02a_cheap.vmt
		25	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/rollup_1_02.vmt
		26	=	decals/rubbledecal001.vmt
		27	=	tools/toolsnodraw_metal.vmt
		28	=	wood/desk01.vmt
		29	=	plaster/urban_plasterwall_05e.vmt
		30	=	tools/toolstrigger.vmt
		31	=	realworldtextures/walls/traditionalblue.vmt
		32	=	wood/cabinets_side01.vmt
		33	=	custom/castleposter.vmt
		34	=	tools/toolsinvisible.vmt
		35	=	glass/glass01.vmt
		36	=	custom/akustikschaumstoff.vmt
		37	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/wood_1_02.vmt
		38	=	custom/samt.vmt
		39	=	custom/tv/midggif.vmt
		40	=	wood/cabinets01.vmt
		41	=	wood/woodwall003a.vmt
		42	=	realworldtextures/floor/floor_12.vmt
		43	=	customtext/gc textures/sand/sand03.vmt
		44	=	custom/gayposter2.vmt
		45	=	custom/schwarz.vmt
		46	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/roof_1_05.vmt
		47	=	concrete/concretefloor012a.vmt
		48	=	decals/offwhtbrdb.vmt
		49	=	custom/sonylogo.vmt
		50	=	custom/fisch_gruppe.vmt
		51	=	wood/framingedge01.vmt
		52	=	custom/bubble.vmt
		53	=	wood/wood_int_cabinet03.vmt
		54	=	decals/dirtfloor012a.vmt
		55	=	concrete/concretewall007a.vmt
		56	=	wood/woodshelf008a.vmt
		57	=	custom/gayposter1.vmt
		58	=	tile/floor05.vmt
		59	=	custom/audiomixer2.vmt
		60	=	tools/toolsnodraw.vmt
		61	=	decals/door_wood22.vmt
		62	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/brick_1_10.vmt
		63	=	tools/toolsskybox.vmt
		64	=	tools/toolshint.vmt
		65	=	custom/gym_poster03.vmt
		66	=	realworldtextures/walls/navajored.vmt
		67	=	wood/cabinets04.vmt
		68	=	concrete/subway_concreteceiling_01a.vmt
		69	=	realworldtextures/new/bigrug2.vmt
		70	=	wood/plywood02.vmt
		71	=	realworldtextures/walls/coralwhite.vmt
		72	=	custom/fatass.vmt
		73	=	carpet/businessfloormat.vmt
		74	=	custom/tv_off.vmt
		75	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/carpet_1_01.vmt
		76	=	realworldtextures/newer/2/wood_2_03.vmt
		77	=	concrete/ceiling03.vmt
		78	=	custom/gym_poster04.vmt
		79	=	decals/prodconcrete01.vmt
		80	=	decals/swampleaves_decal01.vmt
		81	=	custom/3er_bild.vmt
		82	=	decals/drainage_stain_02.vmt
		83	=	tools/toolsskip.vmt
		84	=	realworldtextures/ceiling/ceiling_03.vmt
		85	=	wood/wall02.vmt
		86	=	tile/tile_mall_floortrim00.vmt
		87	=	decals/drainage_stain_04.vmt
		88	=	realworldtextures/walls/capecodgray.vmt
		89	=	realworldtextures/walls/burreeds.vmt
		90	=	custom/teppich_rot.vmt
		91	=	wood/wall01.vmt
		92	=	custom/tv/ashgif.vmt
		93	=	decals/modern_pinupgirls01.vmt
		94	=	custom/comic/siemensfront.vmt
		95	=	custom/starwarsabendmahl.vmt
		96	=	decals/drainage_stain_03.vmt
		97	=	realworldtextures/newer/0/bricks_0_27.vmt
		98	=	plaster/plaster_ceiling_03.vmt
		99	=	metal/metalstair001a_light.vmt
		100	=	decals/decalpoweroutlet001a.vmt
		101	=	concrete/concrete_floor_10.vmt
		102	=	realworldtextures/floor/floor_11.vmt
		103	=	custom/comic/siemenstop.vmt
		104	=	tools/toolsnpcclip.vmt
		105	=	lights/fluorescentcool003a.vmt
		106	=	custom/teppich_1.vmt
		107	=	glass/hotel_glass002.vmt
		108	=	plaster/milwall001.vmt
		109	=	tools/toolsplayerclip.vmt
		110	=	tools/toolsclip.vmt
		111	=	wood/cabinets02.vmt
		112	=	custom/fisch_01.vmt
		113	=	realworldtextures/new/greentiles.vmt
		114	=	custom/tv/wrestgif.vmt
		115	=	de_nuke/nuke_metaltrims_01.vmt
		116	=	metal/metal_corrugated01b.vmt
		117	=	tools/toolsblocklight.vmt
		118	=	realworldtextures/walls/antiquesilver.vmt
		119	=	custom/tv/mansongif.vmt
		120	=	custom/tv/dancegif.vmt
		121	=	realworldtextures/floor/floor_1_05.vmt
		122	=	realworldtextures/newer/1/tile_1_02.vmt
refract:
		1	=	custom/glass.vmt
water:
		1	=	dev/dev_water4.vmt
unlitgeneric:
		1	=	detail/ruraldetailsprites.vmt
		2	=	skybox/urban_horizon_even.vmt
decalmodulate:
		1	=	decals/bloodstain_101.vmt
		2	=	decals/bloodstain_003.vmt
		3	=	decals/bloodstain_001.vmt
		4	=	decals/blood_splatter.vmt
worldvertextransition:
		1	=	custom/blend_gras_klippe.vmt
		2	=	custom/blend_gras_einfahrt.vmt

I don't think it's a shader issue. This is every texture in the map, and they all seem like common shaders. I'm running out of ideas of things to check.

I think I'm going to try porting just a normal L4D2 map. Maybe it's just something about this custom map causing this issue.

A B.A. Survivor · 4th October 2012

Would it be too much to ask for someone to take a look at this?
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread...648#post270648
I just need any kind of feedback. Primarily, I want it on the gameplay design, not artistic.

mcilona · 4th October 2012

A B.A. Survivor posted:

Would it be too much to ask for someone to take a look at this?
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread...648#post270648
I just need any kind of feedback. Primarily, I want it on the gameplay design, not artistic.

Kind of on the artistic side, but a lot areas in the map would make sense (and look a lot better) with displacements

MarcoPixel · 4th October 2012

mcilona posted:

Kind of on the artistic side, but a lot areas in the map would make sense (and look a lot better) with displacements

Its still in dev, he wants to test the layout. Making displacements now would be useless, when he would make an huge layout change.

**Gmod4ever** · 5th October 2012

So I can't get this water to render to save my life.

I changed the water from the default texture the map used, which looked really stretched and thick like molasses, with what I am pretty certain is a default HL2 water texture.

However, no matter what I do, the water refuses to work.

I have even resorted to wrapping the entire map in a giant hollow nodraw box, to ensure there are no leaks - all to no avail.

The map has a water_lod_control and everything, so I figured it must have been a leak. The pointfile did indeed show there was at least one leak, but it was a really winding and awkward path that didn't immediately reveal anything obvious, so I just wrapped the map in a hollow box.

I also resolved all of the props that the compiler said were outside the map.

Any ideas?

Stiffy360 · 5th October 2012

did you add a env_cube map and set the brush faces to the water?

**Gmod4ever** · 5th October 2012

I don't even know what that means. Dammit, Jim, I'm a programmer, not a mapper.

I think we should bring this to PMs. Don't need to clutter this thread with my incompetence.

The map has a lot of env_cubemap's in it, but I have no idea if any fulfill the task you describe.

Stiffy360 · 5th October 2012

More noobs find out what to do if you do it this way.

Dubstepbro · 5th October 2012

Stiffy360 posted:

More noobs find out what to do if you do it this way.

Thank you. Now I can acknowledge if I run into a situation like this.

It's a help thread. We're allowed to clutter the thread as long it's not pointless spam.

Zombie Strider · 6th October 2012

How does one make an effective looking outside night map? I find it hard to get the right balance between wanting the darkness but looking good. What sort of skyboxes and light_environment settings do I need?