And you keep insisting that people have turned gay or straight seemingly at their will, this is also wrong and not supported by fact. Those testimonials by the gay therapy clinics don't mention the huge relapse rate of gay feelings and behaviors associated with their patients, it simply isn't possible to change your physical attractions at will, over a long or short run. if someone claims they've turned one way or another, they would've had to have a predisposition to it earlier in life.
And yes, I am insisting that because you act like there hasn't been a single straight person who has turned gay and has been happy with his/her life - which is bullshit. Sure, it doesn't happen very often. I never said it did. But it is possible.
No, I'm not a homophobe. Just because I know the truth doesn't mean I'm a homophobe. Contrary to popular belief, I have gay friends.
Changing yourself isn't bad. I stopped beating the shit out of people over silly things when I got into middle school because I matured. That's a change. Also, you're acting like the change is spontaneous. I'm sure it takes time and support. You don't just go ahead and start kissing someone of the same sex for any reason.
one of the largest "ex-gay" ministries.
If you cannot accept that you could be wrong, and rely on something so flimsy a reason as "common sense", you should not be stating the nature of a group of people that you are not a part of.
Please site your sources, from which you engineered this "common sense", please.
Also, common sense can be the best source of all.
The part where your source says the study has not "been published or reviewed" makes me skeptical of it's validity.
So let's see: A not peer reviewed or published study that psychologists and others are incredibly skeptical of because the subjects were referred by anti-gay groups is the source you've used? Garbage, absolute garbage.
I thought this thread was great then I reread a couple of random pages and a lot of the posts I saw sounded like they belonged in a thread titled "Persecute and misunderstand anyone who can see why some people don't like gays and use terrible comparisons v2"
I thought this was a debate about why there's nothing wrong with gays and why some people aren't so fond of them.
I saw someone post an image of a facebook post that said something funny (although to the classier falls under disgusting) and saying something along the lines of "Some people like this ruin it for others and give them a bad image". They were then called out for having an avatar of a woman sitting in a pool and said something about "IS THAT ANYMORE ACCEPTABLE THAN A BARELY COVERED PENIS?".
First off the bikini was not barely covering her, second genitalia is a lot more offensive than someone's chest. The comparison was even worse considering men (potentially gay men) are allowed to not wear any form of top in public. Another reason it's a terrible comparison, that person rules out lesbians.
Not to say that everyone here is terrible, it's just some people should stop posting.
I think the head of a large company has no reason to make a false statement that could harm his business; being the head of an 'ex-gay' group of facilities puts him in a knowledgeable position on the subject. If he says that the overwhelming majority of subjects fail to change their orientation, then I am inclined to believe so.
Would you consider transgenders to be homosexual?
Just for clarification, it seems like this: http://www.narth.com/docs/evidencefound.html talks about a published study done by Dr. Robert L. Spitzer about the ability of gay people to become straight. He was also one of the doctors who helped push through the change of homosexuality not being a mental disorder.
Over time you might develop and start liking potatoes less, who knows, but you cant force it.
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There's nothing wrong with them.
I think we just have to respect them, the problem is, when some gays, fall in love with heterosexual male, they can't realise that, some men don't want men.
Jesus what is with people that are afraid I'm gonna stick my dong up their butts just because I like dudes??
Tell that to the gay of my classroom, that dude loves me, and scare's the shit out of me.
Deaded and my source both are opposing words by individuals on the subject. His source is the result of a man polling individuals (who risks nothing), mine is from a head of a relevant organization that deals directly with the people in question, who risks losing profits(which speaks for the validity of the content). I would say that this acts as a better source.
Not being a scientific study does not disqualify something as a source. If that were the case, much court testimony would be null.
They are just both equally questionable. The man polling individuals does risk something, his reputation and the with that the respect of a community he likely values. Either way, I think risk hardly counts for much in terms of how much a source may be trusted.