1. Post #441
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    So why did he kill off the entire world's population in the flood? Didn't he restrict their supposed "free will"?
    the more important question that nobody ever asks is 'why didn't anyone else's boat work?' and also 'how did Noah, a 600 year old man, manage to take on a project of that magnitude?'
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  2. Post #442
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    the more important question that nobody ever asks is 'why didn't anyone else's boat work?' and also 'how did Noah, a 600 year old man, manage to take on a project of that magnitude?'
    You silly heritic, we have no need for logic when we have faith!
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  3. Post #443
    I make sexist and racist jokes all the time yet,i still support the feminist movement and the rights of blacks.
    znk666's Avatar
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    the more important question that nobody ever asks is 'why didn't anyone else's boat work?' and also 'how did Noah, a 600 year old man, manage to take on a project of that magnitude?'
    Logic≠bible
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  4. Post #444
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    the more important question that nobody ever asks is 'why didn't anyone else's boat work?' and also 'how did Noah, a 600 year old man, manage to take on a project of that magnitude?'
    I think he had like 100 sons do all the work for him or something.

    Edited:

    But they were probably 400 years old too.
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  5. Post #445
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    If God could see this, then why didn't he prevent it?
    That's so fucking stupid what you just said.

    "If God WAS alive, then explain WHY we have so much SHIT in our world, which is ALL Human's doings, so we are not any better off WITHOUT God either!"
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  6. Post #446
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    That's so fucking stupid what you just said.

    "If God WAS alive, then explain WHY we have so much SHIT in our world, which is ALL Human's doings, so we are not any better off WITHOUT God either!"
    I don't really understand anything you said below the first line.
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  7. Post #447
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    Patriarch ^ lol nvm.


    After all, God is a product of the human mind, like many other things. And few hundred millions years ago, there was no sin, atheism or even human yet, just wild fucking life.
    That's a theory.
    Doesn't make it any less true.
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  8. Post #448
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    Patriarch ^ lol nvm.
    No, come on, tell me.
    Clearly you structured the sentence in such a way that my dummy brain could not even hope to process it. Could you repeat it, but in a way that uses less syllables and more acronyms like the ones you just used?
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  9. Post #449
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    Uhh.. Just that, you (plural) seem to be thinking like this; "Why did a deadly flood (ie.) happen when God could have just prevented it?" when God himself is never going to do or affect anything that happens on our planet. Just a mere artifice to make big changes in a lot of people, .. and stuff
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  10. Post #450
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    Uhh.. Just that, you (plural) seem to be thinking like this; "Why did a deadly flood (ie.) happen when God could have just prevented it?" when God himself is never going to do or affect anything that happens on our planet. Just a mere artifice to make big changes in a lot of people, .. and stuff
    You're still not making any sense to me. You're not giving a valid reason as to why God doesn't intervene.
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  11. Post #451
    Positive energy is space expanding, negative energy is space contracting. Or reverse?
    onebit's Avatar
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    In my opinion the world would be a better place if religion was completely wiped from existence. It has nothing to do with racism or anything, it's just the concept of religion that bothers me.
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  12. Post #452
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    You're still not making any sense to me. You're not giving a valid reason as to why God doesn't intervene.
    Bat-shit often doesn't make any sense, and he isn't capable of processing other people's arguments about a hypothetical god, so don't worry yourself with it.

    Edited:

    I've seen him make replies like that before, to people who made similar arguments as to why God doesn't make any sense.
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  13. Post #453
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    You're a fucking idiot if you can't see how religion has benefited society. There are lots of charities organized under it, just for one example.

    Stop being an anti-theistic asshole and maybe you'll see how religion is just another organization just like politics or any other thing out there.
    No one gives a fuck, you think the reason they make those charities under a religious name is because it benefits humanity?

    Politics isn't an organization, what the fuck are you smoking?

    And no, I won't stop being anti-theistic.
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  14. Post #454
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    You're still not making any sense to me. You're not giving a valid reason as to why God doesn't intervene.
    Why would you even seek for a valid reason as to WHY God doesn't intervene? That's just.. no. God doesn't work that way, never has, never will. It is usually the people who choose to intervene when something bad is about to go down, you know.

    Hell, you might as well be asking "Why doesn't Bat-man, Super-man or Spider-man intervene?"
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  15. Post #455
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    Why would you even seek for a valid reason as to WHY God doesn't intervene? That's just.. no. God doesn't work that way, never has, never will. It is usually the people who choose to intervene when something bad is about to go down, you know.

    Hell, you might as well be asking "Why doesn't Bat-man, Super-man or Spider-man intervene?"
    Because they don't exist?
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  16. Post #456
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    Why would you even seek for a valid reason as to WHY God doesn't intervene? That's just.. no. God doesn't work that way, never has, never will. It is usually the people who choose to intervene when something bad is about to go down, you know.

    Hell, you might as well be asking "Why doesn't Bat-man, Super-man or Spider-man intervene?"
    He flooded the earth. That's sounds like an intervention if I've ever heard one.
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  17. Post #457
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    Everyone has the right to be an atheist, everyone has the right to be a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Hindu etc.
    Can't we just all get along?
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  18. Post #458
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    Everyone has the right to be an atheist, everyone has the right to be a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Hindu etc.
    Can't we just all get along?
    Everyone's way past that argument.
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  19. Post #459
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    Why is everyone so worried about proving their own beliefs, be secure in your beliefs whatever they are. Yes it is annoying when people push their beliefs on others, but both sides do it.
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  20. Post #460
    I make sexist and racist jokes all the time yet,i still support the feminist movement and the rights of blacks.
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    He flooded the earth. That's sounds like an intervention if I've ever heard one.
    Well,that's one of many reasons why God is a sociopathic sadistic genocidal maniac.
    He simply doesn't have any regard for life nor well being of someone,therefore why should he prevent something that can potentially kill millions?
    I have no idea though why people hold the opinion that their God is all loving.
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  21. Post #461
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    He flooded the earth. That's sounds like an intervention if I've ever heard one.
    What are you saying? Who flooded the earth? God?

    It's not like there aren't other crazy natural phenomenons, so how come a flooding is now important? Because of Noah? I don't think Noah ever gathered up (all?) the animals on a boat, but it's not like people haven't done crazy things either.
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  22. Post #462
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    Everyone's way past that argument.
    Based on the ad. homs. being thrown around we don't seem that past it.
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  23. Post #463
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    And no, I won't stop being anti-theistic.
    and that, right there, is why you're making an ass of yourself
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  24. Post #464
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    and that, right there, is why you're making an ass of yourself
    What's wrong with anti-theism?

    By the way, when are you going to start contributing instead of moderating my.posts?
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  25. Post #465
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    What's wrong with anti-theism?

    By the way, when are you going to start contributing instead of moderating my.posts?
    i'll tell you what's wrong with it, it shows a complete lack of tolerance for other human beings and their views - not to mention it's the leading cause for thousands of pointless flamewars
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  26. Post #466
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    i'll tell you what's wrong with it, it shows a complete lack of tolerance for other human beings and their views - not to mention it's the leading cause for thousands of pointless flamewars
    Wait why exactly does anyone need to tolerate a view that involves people who don't share that view being tortured for eternity?
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  27. Post #467
    Mon
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    Wait why exactly does anyone need to tolerate a view that involves people who don't share that view being tortured for eternity?
    why does it matter what they believe? if you don't believe that you'll be tortured for eternity then why make a big deal about others believing it?
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  28. Post #468
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    i'll tell you what's wrong with it, it shows a complete lack of tolerance for other human beings and their views - not to mention it's the leading cause for thousands of pointless flamewars
    What's wrong with being intolerant for what amounts to a fairy tale?

    Edited:

    why does it matter what they believe? if you don't believe that you'll be tortured for eternity then why make a big deal about others believing it?
    Because wars are fought over these beliefs.
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  29. Post #469
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    What's wrong with being intolerant for what amounts to a fairy tale?
    you just wind up being an asshole to large amounts of people, that's what. not to mention the fact it makes us atheists look bad.

    Because wars are fought over these beliefs.
    wars are also fought over resources. should we start being dicks to the people who own and exploit them?
    that's a shitty argument anyway. you can't take the actions of the extreme few and paint everyone with that brush. that's just being crass.
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  30. Post #470
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    why does it matter what they believe? if you don't believe that you'll be tortured for eternity then why make a big deal about others believing it?
    I'm not making a big deal over it, I'm just answering the question that frequently comes up in this sort of form: "why can't you just respect others beliefs?"

    I think everyone should be allowed to have their views, to say otherwise would be heading towards "1984". While I think everyone should be allowed to have their views, that doesn't mean I need to respect their views (for reasons listed in my last post, for example).
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  31. Post #471
    Mon
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    I'm not making a big deal over it, I'm just answering the question that frequently comes up in this sort of form: "why can't you just respect others beliefs?"

    I think everyone should be allowed to have their views, to say otherwise would be heading towards "1984". While I think everyone should be allowed to have their views, that doesn't mean I need to respect their views (for reasons listed in my last post, for example).
    oh, yeah. well that is a good point.
    it just seems really stupid to pick fights over such a petty issue, though, especially when they can be avoided
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  32. Post #472
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    you just wind up being an asshole to large amounts of people, that's what. not to mention the fact it makes us atheists look bad.



    wars are also fought over resources. should we start being dicks to the people who own and exploit them?
    that's a shitty argument anyway. you can't take the actions of the extreme few and paint everyone with that brush. that's just being crass.
    So you're saying we should be tolerant of human beings who support a system that has done countless horrific acts, The Inquisition, Holocaust etc. And who still actively endanger and restrict the rights of other human beings, Women not being able to drive in some countries, Catholic child molesters, Jewish circumcision. And you barge in here calling me intolerant for actively being against this plague that man has beset upon himself.

    Oh please.
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  33. Post #473
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    So you're saying we should be tolerant of human beings who support a system that has done countless horrific acts, The Inquisition, Holocaust etc. And who still actively endanger and restrict the rights of other human beings, Women not being able to drive in some countries, Catholic child molesters, Jewish circumcision. And you barge in here calling me intolerant for actively being against this plague that man has beset upon himself.

    Oh please.
    so i guess you think you're some kind of morally superior genius then
    affiliating with a religion does not mean you support the inquisition, or the holocaust, or any of the other things. never has, never will. like i said, you can't take the actions of extremists and paint everyone with that brush. no, religion is not perfect, but that's no reason to pick a fight with more than 80% of the population, especially when it makes us atheists look like a bunch of dicks.
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  34. Post #474
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    i'll tell you what's wrong with it, it shows a complete lack of tolerance for other human beings and their views - not to mention it's the leading cause for thousands of pointless flamewars
    How does it exactly? I hate religion, but I don't hate those who are religious.
    I hate the insitution, not its followers.
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  35. Post #475
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    so i guess you think you're some kind of morally superior genius then
    affiliating with a religion does not mean you support the inquisition, or the holocaust, or any of the other things. never has, never will. like i said, you can't take the actions of extremists and paint everyone with that brush. no, religion is not perfect, but that's no reason to pick a fight with more than 80% of the population, especially when it makes us atheists look like a bunch of dicks.
    Oh good you found a way to say it. I was having an issue finding words for a response to that.

    I myself am Christian, I've seen some atheists be serious assholes towards theists, but I've also seen some theists do the same to atheists. There are some members of my faith that deserve every asshole comment thrown at them simply because they dish out some serious assholery themselves, but I don't approve of the wide area bashing of religion or the painting of theists as bad people simply because there are people or events that can be traced somehow to a religion. Just because I'm christian doesn't mean I approve of every "in the name of God!" that has occurred in the past. I interpret the bible differently than a lot of christians I know, but thats because i see it differently and was raised to see it that way.

    So yes, in some cases I agree, FP is way to hard on religion. But its not like we religious folk did nothing to warrant some of the asshole comments we get.
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  36. Post #476
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    so i guess you think you're some kind of morally superior genius then
    affiliating with a religion does not mean you support the inquisition, or the holocaust, or any of the other things. never has, never will. like i said, you can't take the actions of extremists and paint everyone with that brush. no, religion is not perfect, but that's no reason to pick a fight with more than 80% of the population, especially when it makes us atheists look like a bunch of dicks.
    I don't affiliate the believers with supporters of the holocaust or whatever you're insinuating, but I won't tolerate a blatant lie of a system. Also I read that you were an atheist in that first post, I don't care, there's no need to mention it again.
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  37. Post #477
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    I interpret the bible differently than a lot of christians I know, but thats because i see it differently and was raised to see it that way.
    How do you know that's the right way to interpret it?
    At that, how do you know that it's not meant to be taken at face value?
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  38. Post #478
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    How do you know that's the right way to interpret it?
    At that, how do you know that it's not meant to be taken at face value?
    How am I supposed to know?
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  39. Post #479
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    I don't affiliate the believers with supporters of the holocaust or whatever you're insinuating, but I won't tolerate a blatant lie of a system. Also I read that you were an atheist in that first post, I don't care, there's no need to mention it again.
    i wasn't making a point about me being an atheist, i was making a point about you making us look bad.
    like, i hope you realize that people won't want to affiliate with / become atheists if they think we're a bunch of assholes

    also: the holocaust was not started by a religious group. you seriously should know that.
    also jews were considered a race, rather than a religious group.
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  40. Post #480
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    There is no right way to interpret the bible, not when hundreds of different kinds of men/people have wrote down their versions on the pages, throughout our history.

    I'd interpret it down to just "Love thy neighbor."
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