1. Post #161
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    Fkpuz Version 1's Avatar
    March 2005
    2,578 Posts
    The second people are allowed to roam free at my school, you could step in to any room with a computer and see all the sad, no-friends kids sat there playing "xD lols shopping cart hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1".
    I'll have to try that game some time.

  2. Post #162
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    JohnFisher89's Avatar
    August 2007
    2,051 Posts
    I doubt that you have experienced the horror which is a P4 HP laptop with 512MB of RAM and a failed fan.
    I have and that is a hardware issue not a software, running software on obsolete hardware is a sure fire way to have problems

  3. Post #163
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    Dorkslayz's Avatar
    September 2009
    1,672 Posts
    My school uses SWGFL's blocking thing.

    Its terrible, on numerous occasions, even google images have been blocked.

    We cant change the browser proxy settings, we can barely run software on some machines and my most ports are blocked.

    I think during break/lunch the restrictions should be loosened (not Redtube/Pornhub and stuff like that), but sites such as facebook and youtube.

  4. Post #164
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    garychencool's Avatar
    October 2010
    13,681 Posts
    ProTip: If you can plug in a USB or something, install Chrome or FireFox Portable, rename .exe as explorer.exe or something like that, there you go. Mess with settings, etc., install add-ons, etc.

    How I got my Chrome working on all sorts of computers.

  5. Post #165
    ShadoWxAssassiN's Avatar
    August 2011
    278 Posts
    I see it more as a nuisance, because all the time I would be looking for pictures on Google Images for a project and half the shit is blocked. Another reason of it being useless is that somebody with the right know how can set up a proxy and bypass the blocks, so it's kind of useless against the people with the know how and willing to teach it to their peers.

  6. Post #166
    MalwareOhMy!'s Avatar
    January 2012
    406 Posts
    I can't even believe this is an thread. The school can do whatever they want. Its their computers. You dont like it, dont use the computers

  7. Post #167
    The Kakistocrat's Avatar
    November 2011
    1,353 Posts
    I can't even believe this is an thread. The school can do whatever they want. Its their computers. You dont like it, dont use the computers
    we are arguing over whether schools should do it, not whether schools should be allowed to do it. And their have been threads that are much more stupid.

  8. Post #168

    August 2011
    772 Posts
    I can't even believe this is an thread. The school can do whatever they want. Its their computers. You dont like it, dont use the computers
    Oh god, someone discussing a topic in a place dedicated to discussion of topics and I don't happen to care about the topic? Oh my whatever shall I do? I can't just ignore this one thread out of the thousands of others!

  9. Post #169
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    thelurker1234's Avatar
    June 2011
    5,728 Posts
    They should do it, without it everyone would just be all over the games not doing their work.

  10. Post #170
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    Nemisis116's Avatar
    July 2011
    10,364 Posts
    It is needed, but not as strict, it helps me not drift off into games and videos but also cripples my work by blocking useful sites and almost every picture on google images was blocked and that doesn't help when you are in a Photoshop class making posters.

    They need to filter it better.

  11. Post #171
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    Secrios's Avatar
    March 2011
    1,039 Posts
    Its annoying and useless; students always find a way past it.

  12. Post #172
    Reagent's Avatar
    May 2012
    50 Posts
    I tried to look up Rick Santorum on my schools' computer, and it was blacked for reasons of abortion.
    you will understand why santorum was blocked if you look up just santorum on urbandictionary.

  13. Post #173
    Ask me about my 'female train' fetish.
    Dennab
    January 2006
    5,457 Posts
    I disabled my schools internet filter to look at porn. I was suspended when I was eventually caught (After I'd pretty much taught everyone else to circumvent said filter) and was threatened with being handed to the police and placed on the SOR.

  14. Post #174
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    A_Pigeon's Avatar
    November 2011
    3,447 Posts
    Use a proxy or summin. Even Ipods can go through a proxy. Net filtering is stupid, but it also keeps stupid people from doing stupid things.

  15. Post #175
    Reagent's Avatar
    May 2012
    50 Posts
    Use a proxy or summin. Even Ipods can go through a proxy. Net filtering is stupid, but it also keeps stupid people from doing stupid things.
    I disabled my schools internet filter to look at porn. I was suspended when I was eventually caught (After I'd pretty much taught everyone else to circumvent said filter) and was threatened with being handed to the police and placed on the SOR.
    Note the topic of the thread guys. The point of a debate thread is not to talk about well known facts about the topic, the point is to state your opinion and understand other views on the topic.

  16. Post #176
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    April 2011
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    Counter-intuitive.

    For the obvious sites, it is intuitive, but as others have said, educational materials are blocked a whole lot more often.

  17. Post #177
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    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,084 Posts
    Counter-intuitive.

    For the obvious sites, it is intuitive, but as others have said, educational materials are blocked a whole lot more often.
    That's due to an inefficient filter then. In my experience, my school filter has never blocked anything but games and porn.

  18. Post #178
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    February 2008
    11,008 Posts
    It's certainly necessary. I "worked" in my old school's IT department assisting "repairs" of computers (They kept a cupboard full of HDDs with pre-installed shit). I used this time to secretly disable the custom firewall on their proxy servers, which allowed all unauthorised requests from school computers to go through.

    INSTANTLY, I noticed that in my classes nobody could concentrate on their work, because they were too busy fucking around on Facebook and Youtube to actually get any work done. I quickly put the firewall back up the next day after the IT guys were informed by the teachers, and I noticed that everyone had gone back to actually completing the work again.

    I can pretty much say that this proved to me that it's necessary in schools, but never in houses or in public places. Pretty much every High School student out there acts like they have a severe case of ADHD and can't completely any work at all without external assistance.
    That's just your personal Experience

    I personally think filtering should be off, as people who cannot complete the work (w/o filtering) do not deserve to get the benefits that work would entail.

  19. Post #179
    Lunanite's Avatar
    April 2011
    116 Posts
    My old school had a tech team that new what they were doing for the most part. But when it came to blocking, it was all handled through the main building's proxy service, DeepNine. Had a lot of those stupid blocks, like for "Tasteless." Communications class was a drag when you can't research abortion or gay marriage because they find those to be to unethical. Around the last quarter I just gave up using dumb proxies that were blocked by the next day, and got myself Tor on my flash drive. Gave it to 2 close friends who shared my nerdom, and used that when necessary. Going to a private school in the next year, no idea what dumb/smart system they use. Gonna keep that flash drive handy. When it comes to filtering in my old school:

    * Necessary: Yes, since kids think "Why should I study when I can fap to some whore on Facebook?"
    * Effective: Hardly, students find proxies every day, and they spend more time setting up the thing than looking at blocked sites, even less ever studying.
    * Counter-Intuitive: When kids spend more time finding non-blocked proxies than anything else on a computer, why spend thousands of dollars on classroom laptops? Stick them in a lab that you can look over and check tabs every 2 minutes.

  20. Post #180
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    ScottyWired's Avatar
    April 2012
    8,575 Posts
    I think that only Facebook and porn should be blocked. At school, I am constantly being owned by WebSense () whenever I access a resource. During IT classes, I'm constantly looking through forums for help (Teacher encourages individual learning    I'm too lazy to teach"   ) and have to use ProXPN to access them.

  21. Post #181
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    Eltro102's Avatar
    February 2008
    11,008 Posts
    My old school had a tech team that new what they were doing for the most part. But when it came to blocking, it was all handled through the main building's proxy service, DeepNine. Had a lot of those stupid blocks, like for "Tasteless." Communications class was a drag when you can't research abortion or gay marriage because they find those to be to unethical. Around the last quarter I just gave up using dumb proxies that were blocked by the next day, and got myself Tor on my flash drive. Gave it to 2 close friends who shared my nerdom, and used that when necessary. Going to a private school in the next year, no idea what dumb/smart system they use. Gonna keep that flash drive handy. When it comes to filtering in my old school:

    * Necessary: Yes, since kids think "Why should I study when I can fap to some whore on Facebook?"
    * Effective: Hardly, students find proxies every day, and they spend more time setting up the thing than looking at blocked sites, even less ever studying.
    * Counter-Intuitive: When kids spend more time finding non-blocked proxies than anything else on a computer, why spend thousands of dollars on classroom laptops? Stick them in a lab that you can look over and check tabs every 2 minutes.
    If the kids want to spend time setting up proxies etc then it's their choice to do so, they could be learning, but do not need, or want to.

  22. Post #182
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    Faren's Avatar
    October 2006
    5,558 Posts
    It's necessary but it definitely isn't effective.

    Tonnes of people nowadays have phones that can access the internet anyway. If they don't want to learn, they won't.

  23. Post #183
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    April 2011
    11,431 Posts
    It's necessary but it definitely isn't effective.

    Tonnes of people nowadays have phones that can access the internet anyway. If they don't want to learn, they won't.
    And it'll become a domino effect where if they're fucked in terms of getting a job, they'll raise kids doing the same ultimately leading to society's demise.

  24. Post #184
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    October 2009
    954 Posts
    Perhaps one could make it easily turned on and off, so while the teacher is teaching he/she could turn the filter on, but when the teacher says alright guys go and do your work he/she could turn it off

  25. Post #185
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    March 2010
    1,478 Posts
    My school has a boarding program, and the school was threatened by some big production company that there was a ton of pirated content going through the school's servers. It turned out that many of the out-of-state boarding students pirated nearly every piece of electronic content they had. Thus, my school now has Fortiguard filtering systems, but you can easily get around it with a proxy server.

  26. Post #186
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    August 2008
    10,250 Posts
    I believe that filtering for un-educational content is fine, but my school has blocks placed on websites for things like "hate speech". Regardless of whether it's hate speech, there is a first amendment and perhaps those views may be used in arguments against them. I know I've wanted to quote more than a few websites in essays only to be blocked by the filter from viewing them.

  27. Post #187
    gaige333's Avatar
    February 2011
    938 Posts
    It's definitely the best thing to do when it comes to education, but I think that lots of schools take it a bit far and block way too much of the web. Plus, quite a lot of school have technicians which have absolutely no idea how to administrate the system. I remember once they blocked Google for a week with the reason of "Pornography".

  28. Post #188
    Canter's Avatar
    June 2012
    302 Posts
    I had a huge problem with not doing work in my computer class this year, but not because I would browse the internet. I played chess in Microsoft Excel, made Animations in Powerpoint, worked out a system of standards of who I would and would not date with a combination of Excel and Access, and worked on my novel in Google Docs (which I guess is using the browser but I could have done it just as easily in word) because the class bored me since I had already taken the class in middleschool (I wasn't told that I didn't have to take it if I took Computer Applications in middleschool when I signed up for classes at the beginning of the year, so the entire year was a review for me.). Since I already had the credit for it from middleschool, I pretty much spent the period as a mixture of study hall and art class. My school does have annoying filters, but they come straight from the school district (CCSD), and I can't really complain about them putting filters in for the type of students found in most of Las Vegas. It's just that if a kid is bored with the work you're giving them, they're going to give themselves something else to work on.

  29. Post #189
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    ~Kiwi~v2's Avatar
    September 2011
    4,725 Posts
    In theory it's a good idea, but in practice there is always a back door to something or students (including myself) would find something better to do. You're better off just finding another solution to the problem instead of just filtering content.

  30. Post #190
    Dennab
    March 2012
    867 Posts
    It's certainly necessary. I "worked" in my old school's IT department assisting "repairs" of computers (They kept a cupboard full of HDDs with pre-installed shit). I used this time to secretly disable the custom firewall on their proxy servers, which allowed all unauthorised requests from school computers to go through.

    INSTANTLY, I noticed that in my classes nobody could concentrate on their work, because they were too busy fucking around on Facebook and Youtube to actually get any work done. I quickly put the firewall back up the next day after the IT guys were informed by the teachers, and I noticed that everyone had gone back to actually completing the work again.

    I can pretty much say that this proved to me that it's necessary in schools, but never in houses or in public places. Pretty much every High School student out there acts like they have a severe case of ADHD and can't completely any work at all without external assistance.
    Duh. School fucking sucks. You honestly expect us to pay attention to boring shit when there's not-boring shit on our phones? That's not how people function.

  31. Post #191
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    Big Blue's Avatar
    December 2006
    6,509 Posts
    i once searched "is cracking your neck bad for you" at school and got filtered, under "Hacking"

  32. Post #192
    Duh. School fucking sucks. You honestly expect us to pay attention to boring shit when there's not-boring shit on our phones? That's not how people function.
    yeah bring down the system!

    School is there for a reason, if you don't take the incentive to use the opportunity given to you for a better future. Then it's not the schools fault its you.

    As for the topic at hand, yes schools should use a internet filter. Although there are cases that the filters have blocked google images or certain search logs. It shouldn't do that, but everything else that shouldnt be done in school should be blocked

  33. Post #193
    Dennab
    March 2012
    867 Posts
    School is there for a reason,
    School is ultimately a tool of ideology. It exists to create specialists to uphold the status quo. School presents a functionalist approach to education rather than one which encourages students to challenge society as it is and revolutionize it. School teaches us "here are the problems, solve them so we can go back to life as it was" rather than "Use these problems to give us something better than what existed before the problems"

    if you don't take the incentive to use the opportunity given to you for a better future. Then it's not the schools fault its you.
    So you're saying that the structure of schooling is completely absolved from guilt even if it uses an ineffective teaching paradigm? The fault is completely on the student who is unable to function within the alien paradigm?

    As for the topic at hand, yes schools should use a internet filter. Although there are cases that the filters have blocked google images or certain search logs. It shouldn't do that, but everything else that shouldn't be done in school should be blocked
    Schools should be for learning. If you want to learn some thing that the school doesn't want you to learn or doesn't deem worthy enough to learn, then fuck em', they're shitty teachers who aren't making you learn, they're just instructing you.

  34. Post #194



    Schools should be for learning. If you want to learn some thing that the school doesn't want you to learn or doesn't deem worthy enough to learn, then fuck em', they're shitty teachers who aren't making you learn, they're just instructing you.

    Hence the "shouldnt do that". its just often a glitch which they should fix. but you didnt seem to grasp that. instead you went on a rant about "How the system is holding you back".

  35. Post #195
    Clutzoid's Avatar
    May 2012
    9 Posts
    It's the students education, It's up to them if they want to fail in life or not.

  36. Post #196
    Dennab
    March 2012
    867 Posts
    Hence the "shouldnt do that". its just often a glitch which they should fix. but you didnt seem to grasp that. instead you went on a rant about "How the system is holding you back".
    It's not a glitch, they do indeed have filters. I'm saying they ought not have any filters at all

  37. Post #197
    ISPYUDIE's Avatar
    March 2008
    482 Posts
    My school's filter closes your browser if it detects a banned keyword like youtube ON the page. Which means if a useful website has a "check out our youtube" then youre screwed. Ironically you can watch embedded videos as long as the site its on doesnt mention it.

  38. Post #198
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    June 2011
    2,320 Posts
    As much as I hated them in High School, looking back, I actually agree with filters. Hacking, Porn, etc is a must in my opinion, but blocking things like Youtube, games, facebook, etc should be up to the school. Facebook and Youtube became unblocked in my last two years of high school and they didn't cause any problems at all.