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just warning you. sestze thinks it's AD2's fault the server is unstable even though the issue cannot be reproduced anywhere else. Your saves are still there but you can't get them.
he's testing it without it, but knowing him he'll never put it back, as he thinks AD1 is perfect and works "just fine."
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what's ggg and why should we care
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it's a large server cluster. if you aren't a part of GGG, ignore this.
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Damn. Had it sort of coming though, Ses doesn't seem like too much of a fan of Adv_dupe2. Also Foran is probably going to have a hard time explaining it for the community. He said that it would first be removed in weeks so we'd have plenty of time to download our stuff. Poor Max and probably a lot of other people sit around with their dupes on GGG.
Will we see a place where we can download the dupes we had there?
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Foran has stated he doesn't give a shit.
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Odaha, neat. Oh well, back to using the beat up horse named adv_dupe1.
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Nah, just go play on waxx's server
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IP please, you sexy beast. Also did Ses try and give the error logs when the server crashed (apparently due to adv_dupe2) to TB? Guess it would help to see if adv_dupe2 was used seconds before a crash.
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Why isn't this on a forum on that server cluster instead of here.
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Because not all of us goes to the forums but most of the people who are regulars on GGG visit FP. Also Baw, good idea just to ignore this thread if you aren't a part of GGG.
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Seems to me if the ultimate goal is to get Sestze to re-add AD2 the worst thing we can do is rant like this
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Doubtful, from what I've seen when sestze is set on something, it's going to be done
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My older brother happens to own a custom server tower (which we're actually dropping a power supply into tonight). At present it was designed to host minecraft, but considering its stats it should be able to handle gmod just fine in addition. I'll ask him if he'd mind in case it really comes to that. Rented servers wont cut it.
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Just so we're clear, the average amount of crashes in a 4 hour period for GGG with adv dupe 2 was about 16-20 times. 6 Hours ago we removed adv dupe 2. Times server has crashed since then : 0
Also yeah, I am having trouble understanding why ses went and took it off without warning. I can't really reinstate it now, and I DID in fact assure you guys it was going to be taken off at a much later date. Sorry about that. Anyone who wants their adv dupe 2 saves can message me on steam or here and I'll package up the saves and send you yours. We didn't delete them.
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This man has a point.
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Why do you guys act like if something got removed, its like the end of the world.
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Not really a matter of simple removal of a useful tool. This is removal of adopted infrastructure. Not a problem before it was completely integrated, but now that it is its removal makes large waves. I still hold that its removal for testing makes perfect sense, and if it really is causing such great issues, keeping it off makes perfect sense. Having this thread in Gmod general strikes me as quite odd too, it doesn't belong here. Then again, it doesn't belong anywhere.
I think what's chiefly being overlooked here is that this is a practical problem. There is no room for emotion on either side of this. This is a matter purely of cause and effect on all fronts. We have a problem of instability, we have to find the cause. We cannot find the cause without isolating it, even if that means causing more practical problems to the rest of us. At the end of this we can either isolate AD2 as the culprit and ideally fix it without removing it, or we can eliminate it as the culprit, and go on removing things until the server becomes stable. Refusing to re-add anything that has proven not the culprit or has been fixed out of some sort of personal spite or opinion would be foolish, even if to do so proves you wrong. I trust Sestze a little more than that.
Of course, I would be presumptuous to exempt anyone from the harsh effect of emotion, however irrational. It is a biological fact that we cannot escape. It could even be argued that emotion, too, is a practical problem as it deals solely in chemistry, but then we delve into philosophy and philosophy is also without weight in this situation. We all, including Sestze, would do well to distance ourselves from this issue. This is a practical conflict between lua code, lua code, and C++. Have we not more important things in our lives? Several weeks ago I flew my first cross country flight. During the takeoff roll from Palm Springs International, just before I hit rotation speed, I lost a magneto and most of my power. Had that happened several seconds later, once i was airborne and climbing it could have killed me or at least severely rended my airplane. In light of that, I have a lot of trouble identifying the removal of AD2 from GGG as anything of sufficient consequence to warrent emotion.
Even if Sestze refuses to re-add AD2, we are but presented with another practical problem. We have a community to maintain and a server with sufficient power to obtain for our sensitive building. Our lives and livelihood do not depend on Sestze or what decisions he makes. This is no matter of national politics. When presented with practical problems we must solve them, not whine about them.
Now, if you all will excuse me, I'll be out of the loop around here for a few days to a week. I hope to see this resolved or at least being dealt with as what it is by the time I come back. Make me proud, GGG members.
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Damn you and your stark rationality.
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Seszte, at least give us some way to access our dupes?
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Send me a message on steam, and I'll mediafire it for you, jeez. Foran has also agreed to do that as well.
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hahahahhh
i still miss that subforum
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Just to let everyone know, all of your AD2 saves are going to be gone
sorry guys, blame sestze
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Oh shit nigga, what are you DOING?!
It's because you made a (understandably) big deal about it. Even if you absolutely hate his guts and everything he is doing with a seething rage, making a fuss can only result in things getting worse, never better. From your and devonjones' representation, dealing with Sestze sounds like dealing with garry- which means you have to treat him like a Chinese child-Emperor or he spits his chips and acts like a dick to spite you.
If you want Sestze to live up to how you represent him, and receive 0 chance of fair tests of AdvDupe2, please by all means continue the fuss. Bit late now though!
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Just because I removed you for being a dick and for bitching out of a conversation we were having does not mean that I will delete the server's AD2 dupes. Jesus you're a gigantic unstable child about this shit.
I don't get why devon would be angry at me because I haven't spoken to him in forever.
Let me continue my damn tests you gigantic sperglord. I'm going to put it back on once I've figured out the root cause, and if it's conflicting with AD1. On the other hand, your dumb ass isn't coming back because of the restraint and trust you've shown me going into this.
You knew that there were conflicts occurring, and threw a bitchfit any time I wanted to see what was happening. It was by your admission that you were supporting a 5000 weight tank gun with an axis on a 300 kg plate, why not just beg the damn thing to spaz. You even offered the justification that "server stability should take a back seat to fun once in a while" when the server feels so bogged down that it isn't fun to play anymore.
All the justifications for this crap that you've given me fluctuates wildly between "people think you're an asshole" (which isn't relevant) to "It's just a game, bro" (which also isn't relevant). I'm not sure why people think I've got "little man syndrome" when I'm not trying to boss people around 90% of the time, I'm just trying to get shit to work.
So due to your negligence as an administrator and a childish attitude towards myself and GGG, I don't want you around anymore. Cut and dry. Get lost, karbine.
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oh no :(
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oh well, sestze once again proved himself an ass
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but seriously, sorry guys. I tried to stand up for the community to keep AD2, but like i originally stated, sestze's done it mostly out of spite of me trying to contest it (and help).
Sadly i'm the one who takes the punishment. ad2'll return someday, but not any time soon. No other servers have the issue GGG does and sestze won't pursue it. I tried to get TB's help but sestze did nothing but yell at him for it. I'm the only one who stands up to Sestze, and I take all the punishment.
Sorry guys :(
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Barring server drama, please know that your saves are still there and are not going anywhere. in fact, I've backed them all up just in case!!!!! So please message me if you want your saves in-between the time it takes for us to get dupe 2 fixed and the whole mess sorted out.
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14th February 2012 Last edited by RedReaper; 14th February 2012 at 01:47PM. (oh lawdy mah syntax)
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Code:if(!AD2){Rage==1}
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I think it's more
Code:if(Rage>0){AD2--}
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nonono dat wrong
Edited:Code:if(!AD2) { Karbine:applyForce((Karbine:pos()-GGG:pos())*(Karbine:mass() * Sestzerage) Sestze:setTroll(9001) AD2:setTroll(9001) Head:applyForce(((Head:pos() - Keyboard:pos()/((Head:pos() - Keyboard:pos()):length()) * (Head:mass() * (Mul^2)) Rage = Rage+1*(Tick/5) Frustration = angnorm(Rage+Stupidity) E = MC^2 RedCubeRPM = 10^2*Rage Everythingwascoolbro = 0 if(RedFedUp ==1) { Red:applyForce((Redshomeplanet:pos() - Red:pos()) * (Red:mass() * 200) print("I must go, my planet needs me!") } } else { Everythingwascoolbro ==1 print(Contraptinonsandshit) MacTrekkie = 0 }
not sure if Karbine got ejected or if he'll be spazzing and slamming against the server until I nocollideallmulti him, sorry bro.
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What kind of twisted narrative are you weaving?
TB dropped by for about an hour and a half while we detailed the problem and gave concrete examples. His response after fumbling around for an hour with AD2 was to say "Well maybe it's because you've got a 1000 op chip". Considering what it was running, I thought that was a pretty fucking stupid thing to say and told him as such.
Your own role in this has been that of a major obstacle. Everyone I seemed to ask had the same conclusion regarding AD2, and though they were mostly disappointed to see it go, noone threw a gigantic bitchfit like you or waxx did.
You can't verify what the conflict is because how Almost There, Killbox and Waxx's server are all distinctly different than GGG, and they rarely have uptime of more than an hour or two. Your justification for this was, "Yeah, but it restarts lightning fast!" That's not a quality that I want GGG to have.
Oh and your constant screeching about "HES GONNA DELETE UR DUPES" is fucking stupid. I have no plans for deleting the duplication files, and we're .raring and uploading them for the individual users if they ask us.
Please pull a MacTrekkie and go off your meds completely.
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I was about to mention how this all felt like a Mactrekkie deal. Ya beat me to it. I'd hate to see Karbine fall victim to the same fate as Mac, though. Can't we all just accept that AD2 is causing GGG's instability and move on? I don't see the issue, as Sestze has already stated that he's going to be doing some testing to see if there are any conflictions or if it's just AD2, and that he's not deleting dupes. I just don't get what the problem is. AD2 is conflicting with something on GGG, and Sestze just wants to get to the bottom of it.
I like getting rated dumb for no apparent reason.
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itt everyones overreacting
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You know people have no clue about what they're talking about when they start judging an E2 chip by its op count.
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so basically, all our saved crap is gone? cause i still have my unfinished humvee still sitting there
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JDB I love that screenshot.
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you know a thread is crap when at least 1 person rates almost everyone on the page the same thing.
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Sestze should put AD2 on the server for a day so everyone can come and download their files.
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Please read the thread (or at least Sestze's posts) before making comments like that. Thanks.
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I rate 'em as I see 'em.
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Exactly, Ive seen 5k op chips that don't lag at all, and then some 700 op ones doing huge calculations or something that lag the server to hell. Its not the ops that matter, its what you do with them.
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At least does GGG have something else for contraption saving? Because if yes, what's the problem in removing AD2 and giving players their dupes?
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