1. Post #1
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    pac0master's Avatar
    September 2009
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    Plz Just Lock this Thread if any Mod/admin see it

    I Did something wrong so ill try to fix it

    Thanks you
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  2. Post #2
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    February 2008
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    did you even have permission to edit someone's map and rerelease it?
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  3. Post #3
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    pac0master's Avatar
    September 2009
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    I dont know .. That's why i do not take any credit for the map .. I didn't been able to Contact the creator of this map, so I cant really have his/her permission -- Its hard to contact someone and have the permission for something that he/she created like 4 years ago
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  4. Post #4
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    February 2008
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    if you dont have permission you cant edit and rerelease someone's map. if you cant contact him you dont release an edit of his map.
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  5. Post #5
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    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    I dont know .. That's why i do not take any credit for the map .. I didn't been able to Contact the creator of this map, so I cant really have his/her permission -- Its hard to contact someone and have the permission for something that he/she created like 4 years ago
    Then don't edit a map if you don't have permission to do it. Its a common courtesy.
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  6. Post #6
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    March 2009
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    Please remove this, You're blatantly stealing someone else map.
    If you like the idea, make your own.
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  7. Post #7
    spikeman14's Avatar
    April 2008
    112 Posts
    if you dont have permission you cant edit and rerelease someone's map. if you cant contact him you dont release an edit of his map.
    What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap!

    No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE!

    As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it!
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  8. Post #8
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    What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap!

    No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE!

    As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it!
    Dude, it's called being respectfull to someone elses work.
    Even if the law does not apply to it, it is still a bad thing to do.

    We are not saying "STOP THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE!", We're saying "STOP THIS IS A BAD THING TO DO!"
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  9. Post #9
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    April 2008
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    Dude, it's called being respectfull to someone elses work.
    Even if the law does not apply to it, it is still a bad thing to do.

    We are not saying "STOP THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU GONNA GET IN TROUBLE!", We're saying "STOP THIS IS A BAD THING TO DO!"
    This guy tried to get consent from the author but couldn't contact them, fair play to him for trying!

    As a mapper and lua coder myself I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Its called modifying, updating, advancing.....or would you rather we still lived in caves?

    Your argument is stupid and invalid!
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  10. Post #10
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    March 2009
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    This guy tried to get consent from the author but couldn't contact them, fair play to him for trying!

    As a mapper and lua coder myself I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Its called modifying, updating, advancing.....or would you rather we still lived in caves?

    Your argument is stupid and invalid!
    It's called editing someones elses map and republishing it.
    so what if he TRIED? TRYING is not going to get you a gold medal.

    I myself, as a mapper, would not be happy seeing someone edit one of my maps and republishing it.
    Also, updating and advancing? Do you have any idea of what you are typing down? Updating and Advancing is good! It's great! It should be done by the maps creator and not someone else who does not have the authors consent.

    (I bolded the part of your post that i think you should just cut out. Because it makes you look like an absolute idiot.)

    Edited:

    Seriously are you even trying?
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  11. Post #11
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    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    The map should only ever be worked on with the authors consent. No consent, no work.

    Now, if someone asks me if they can use a vmf, i will most likely give it to them. However, i wouldn't be happy if someone ripped off my work without asking first. It is a courtesy.
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    What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap!

    No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE!

    As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it!
    Wow you are plain fucking retarded, you don't just go and edit somebody else's map. Even if you don't take credit for it, it's still not right, the original author probably put shitloads of work into the map only for it to be decompiled, edited and reuploaded.
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    What is everyones problem within the gmod community? It released under no copyright or protective law. This guy has and had the right to modify the map. Give him a break! You idiots really p*** me off with this mumbojumbo "common courtesy"/"Your not allowed" crap!

    No copyright/No Creative Commons protection/No way to contact author/Taking no credit for the modifications = FINE!

    As a mapper myself I have had parts of my work copied, I have had someone modify older maps and update them and re-release them, its not something I have put money into, just some spare time, if someone can make it better and extend its life then Im fine with that, there is nothing wrong with it. Re posting something and claiming it is yours is wrong, but this guy has modified the map to his tastes, and that is fine. get off his back about it!
    Taking someone's map and making edits on it is like taking the Mona Lisa and scribbling a mustache on her with a sharpie.

    If someone even dares to decompile my work I would probably rip their testicles off.
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  14. Post #14
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    Taking someone's map and making edits on it is like taking the Mona Lisa and scribbling a mustache on her with a sharpie.

    If someone even dares to decompile my work I would probably rip their testicles off.
    No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_da_Vinci.png

    Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original.

    He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
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  15. Post #15
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    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_da_Vinci.png

    Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original.

    He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
    And mappers still frown on the behaviour. Especially if it is a mapper who hasn't released any of his own work that is worthwhile in and shape or form, and feels inclined to release someone elses work in order to bolster their rep.

    As i said before, no permission, no map. He probably didn't fix any of the errors caused by decompiling either.
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  16. Post #16
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    No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_da_Vinci.png

    Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original.

    He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
    How is that improved? It is no longer original, and I honestly think that is pretty stupid. That is not how the painter envisioned the painting to be, and that is why it was not originally painted that way. Taking someone's work and adding your own stuff is like you writing a book and someone rewrote the ending.
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  17. Post #17
    Ask about my EBOLA fetish
    GameDev's Avatar
    February 2010
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    He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
    So with your logic, that means I can look at something that's not mine and ask, "Hey, can I have this?" and if they don't respond that obviously means yes?

  18. Post #18
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    Source mapping is serious business.
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    Jaded
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    No, It'd be like taking the mona lisa, Improving on it, and re-releasing it better than it was before. OWAIT, that's been done before.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_da_Vinci.png

    Now that piece is sitting in a museum, and is almost as popular as the original.

    He made an earnest attempt to contact the original mapper, and failed. The original download for the map is no longer even available on Gmod.org. He took an old, forgotten concept, improved on it, then re-released it, putting both his aswell as the original back in the public eye.
    I'd decompile and edit one of your maps without credit but OWAIT you have none. Don't speak about things you know nothing of. Also, cool YT vids.

    Edited:



    rofl
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  20. Post #20
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    So with your logic, that means I can look at something that's not mine and ask, "Hey, can I have this?" and if they don't respond that obviously means yes?
    I'm gonna try that in a bank vault at midnight.

  21. Post #21
    I HAVE A TOASTER FETISH
    mopman999's Avatar
    July 2009
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    I'm gonna try that in a bank vault at midnight.
    Make sure you bring a burlap sack for all the money, and maybe a cool mask just incase its a costume party

  22. Post #22
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    Make sure you bring a burlap sack for all the money, and maybe a cool mask just incase its a costume party
    I have my stripy jumper too...

  23. Post #23
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    July 2007
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    aaaaaaaand derailed.

  24. Post #24
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    August 2008
    196 Posts
    I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem.

    I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes.

    Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
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  25. Post #25
    Jaded
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    I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem.

    I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes.

    Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
    You're trying too hard.

  26. Post #26
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    July 2007
    7,980 Posts
    I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem.

    I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes.

    Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
    is that you in your avatar?

    Edited:

    nevermind it is, you're really cool :D

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  27. Post #27
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    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
    8,217 Posts
    I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem.

    I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes.

    Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
    People will always be interested in the great works of art. Maybe if i expire, planetfall will go down in history. However the fact is still this. As mappers, we have a right to be able to tell someone that they can or cannot work on a map. If they don't reply, it is not right to just go ahead and map a rip off of someone else's map.

    I can tell you that sgt sgt wasn't too pleased when his map was claimed by other people, and faulkman before that had a couple of people claim the titanic was their own work. Editing without permission is stealing under another name.

    This is how we work. You have had this told to you from seven individual mappers, yet you still try the same excuse everytime.

    In short, it isn't right, most mappers agree on this. Accept it.
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  28. Post #28
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    I understant what you mean IronPhoenix But I never Claimed Credit for that map and I am trying to contact the Original Author and ask him permission if he do not want I will remove this Map from This Gmod.org and The Gmod Toybox

    I Repeat I made this Map for having fun with a new design of His work I do not take any credit and Make this for Enjoying a new concept

    I will Create my Own map For Slaughtering ragdoll Later I Used This map Because i wanted to Learn how he Made it and simply modded few Broken Traps And making it at my taste

    I Dont want to shock anyone from this, And I will release soon Some Traps made of my own . I will also Give the VMF For Free, for eveyone who want to use them :P

  29. Post #29
    Jaded
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    I understant what you mean IronPhoenix But I never Claimed Credit for that map and I am trying to contact the Original Author and ask him permission if he do not want I will remove this Map from This Gmod.org and The Gmod Toybox

    I Repeat I made this Map for having fun with a new design of His work I do not take any credit and Make this for Enjoying a new concept

    I will Create my Own map For Slaughtering ragdoll Later I Used This map Because i wanted to Learn how he Made it and simply modded few Broken Traps And making it at my taste

    I Dont want to shock anyone from this, And I will release soon Some Traps made of my own . I will also Give the VMF For Free, for eveyone who want to use them :P
    WeLl ThAt CeRtIaNlY ClEaRs ThInGs Up

  30. Post #30
    I HAVE A TOASTER FETISH
    mopman999's Avatar
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    Aw what a cute hello kitty backpack! Is that yours?

    And to answer your question, I'm sure shakespeare wouldnt want some bad movie called gnomeo and juliet made out of his work. He spent time on creating that play.
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    March 2009
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    I love how you people work. Instead of attacking the issue at hand you come at me with personal attacks that have literally nothing to do with what we are discussing. I ask that you stop with the Ad hominem.

    I didn't even play this guy's map. I don't know if what he did was an improvisation or a straight up rip. Point is, Since he produced this map, both his and the original map have reached the popular downloads page. This map- which is no longer even available by the original publisher- Has achieved popularity it hasn't had for years. The original publisher of the map has not been heard from for years, and we may very well never hear from him again. He produced a great work, and it'd be selfish of anyone to deprive the public of what he'd done simply because we couldin't get approval for it. If he were to return and complain, I'm sure we would comply with his wishes.

    Should we condemn those who publish shakespeare because we didn't ask him if it was ok? What about the newly-popular spinoffs such as "Gnomeo and Juliet"? It was a bad movie, sure. But it created interest in one of the greatest artists of old, and anyone who thinks that is wrong is a bad person.
    Remaking a book, play or movie is ENTIRELY different from copyinjg and editing a map!
    You really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Comparing these 2 situations is like comparing Borrowing to Stealing and saying the two are the same.

    I suggest you stop posting here, before you say something even more ludicrously stupid.
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  32. Post #32
    Ask about my EBOLA fetish
    GameDev's Avatar
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    I think the most irony here was at one point a V4 was in progress by the original author

    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/890145

  33. Post #33
    I HAVE A TOASTER FETISH
    mopman999's Avatar
    July 2009
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    OP should make an entirely new map, but honestly I think gore mod or whatever it is kind of dumb. A bunch of red strings isn't gore
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  34. Post #34
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    It you want gore, push a starving lion into the house of lords. You get gore, we get rid of a bunch of overpaid foolds with more money than sense.
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  35. Post #35
    I HAVE A TOASTER FETISH
    mopman999's Avatar
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    There's room for... sarah palin in there... right?

  36. Post #36
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    September 2009
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    Here is the PM i sent to swerik (the original author)

    I modded you map The Ragdoll Slaughter V3

    I Added 2 New Traps and make Modded one


    I published it on the Gmod.org Website and the Toybox

    I will remove them if you want Ill give you the Vmf If you want .. I do not take any Credit For that work

    Here is the Forum Thread

    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1164460

    and here is the Download link
    http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=128450

    I am just waiting for an Answer to know if I have the Right to keep Sharing it

    I gave all the Credits to you :)
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  37. Post #37
    Jaded
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    Here is the PM i sent to swerik (the original author)

    I modded you map The Ragdoll Slaughter V3

    I Added 2 New Traps and make Modded one


    I published it on the Gmod.org Website and the Toybox

    I will remove them if you want Ill give you the Vmf If you want .. I do not take any Credit For that work

    Here is the Forum Thread

    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1164460

    and here is the Download link
    http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=128450

    I am just waiting for an Answer to know if I have the Right to keep Sharing it

    I gave all the Credits to you :)
    What the shit, you cannot do that, man. Asking for permission is not the same as what you did, which is doing whatever you want and telling an unused account to stop you if it can. Big, big difference.
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  38. Post #38
    I HAVE A SQUID FETISH
    IronPhoenix's Avatar
    April 2005
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    *Waits patiently for pac0master to see sense and bring his maps down.
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  39. Post #39
    Jaded
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    April 2010
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    Putting this for the record, rule 3 in the sticky

    3. Don't post decompiled or edited versions of other maps without explicit permission from the maker of the original map. Otherwise, don't post other people's maps and claim they're yours. If you post someone else's map give them credit.
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  40. Post #40
    Portal 2: Abyss
    pac0master's Avatar
    September 2009
    1,233 Posts
    and claim they're yours. If you post someone else's map give them credit.
    Exacly what i am doing I give Credit to him and NEVER Claimed it To be mine . I just worked on few hours and wanted to share it because i never seen an other version


    I know its not the Best thing to do but well i just wanted to share this because there is a lots of people who probably wanted something New

    I am working on My verion (all made by me) and erase this map

    The Author is active on Steam so im trying to contact him from there now
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