Lol.. epic fail with their design flaw...
Oh, your battery died? That'll $40,000 for a new one... if not, enjoy your very expensive
Cool otherwise.. but the fact that this is even possible is a debacle they'd be wise to remedy.
Shrug, at least if an IC car runs out of gas it just needs a refill. It seems irresponsible to let these go with this known defect in the battery and not call attention to it in the manual.
I will agree that allowing the car to get to 0% due to neglect is irresponsible as well, but sometimes it's unavoidable I would imagine. I certainly wouldn't leave it at the airport while I went for a trip knowing this, even if the manual said it "should be good for several weeks."
At the fact that even if the owner purchased the $12000 replacement plan for a new battery several years down the road, but can't cash in if the car bricks.. bad business practice. It's as bad as buying an extended warranty, but when something goes wrong BestBuy says "oh, lol that's not covered, catch ya later!"
They've totally underplayed the problem and make no attempt to assist customers who have fallen victim to this flaw. This is not a 'minor bug', it's a part of the car and they are failing to properly inform customers. I wouldn't say it's completely the customer's fault if they aren't informed the battery can become a brick and they happen to leave for the airport.
Or the case of the customer who used the extension cord so it wasn't considered a strong enough current to charge the car and resulted in another brick.
Of course, it could be partially considered their fault, but Tesla should be making it much more obvious that this can happen. Because it's common sense you keep your car full of oil, it's not common sense that your car can't sit for more than a week without charging.
Plus, Oil doesn't typically deplete in 1-6 weeks so calling it "regular maintenance" is a little bit excessive, and my car doesn't completely die if I leave it on low fuel for a few weeks sitting (I might have to empty the fuel).
The fact that customers paid $12,000 for a warranty replacement battery can't use it to replace their bricked battery just shows that Tesla is being a bunch of cocks about the issue.
I'm curious to see what Tesla will be doing about this problem on the Model S and X.
It's certainly dickish about them to be acting like they do about it.
The source seems to indicate they're not doing anything about it, and while they can't do anything about the battery chemistry they could easily enough rig it where the computers physically disconnect the power when the battery depletes low enough, in order to prevent this.
It is a safety issue. The noise ICE cars makes enables pedestrians in crowded cities to detect they're coming without looking at them. Cars that don't make this noise are absolutely undetectable unless you're looking directly at them.
There's a very plausible scenario where one of these things could end up bricked entirely without the owner making a mistake. There should be coverage for this under the warranty or car insurance one. It's a known fault with lithium polymer batteries.
Avoiding this would be simple, too. Attach a voltmeter to the battery, and when it drops below a certain voltage a relay trips and physically disconnects it from ALL systems. The only electrical connection remaining is to the charge plug. Problem is now solved, the battery will be unable to discharge to the point it cannot be recharged.
Lets say your electricity bill is 15 cents per kWh. (average cost of electricity)
Because Tesla Roadster uses 13.5kWh/100km, it only costs 2 dollars to drive 100 kilometers.
How fucking awesome is that? The car is a pretty good investment, especially if gas prices are high in your area.
And about the battery flaw, that if it runs dry, the battery would become a brick, i think they will fix that issue.
And it would not be hard to make a killswitch for it, when battery runs low it would turn the electricity off to protect the batteries.
I mean, if i bought this car, i could easily make one myself.
They're already contacting owners if the vehicles go below a certain level of charge, and in one case where they couldn't find the owner, activated the GPS and went to the car themselves.
The $40 000 cost to fix it is ridiculous though, if the owner used the car as described in the manual, and it got discharged some other way.
If I somehow managed to trip over and unplug a cord of a parked EV, I would most definitely plug it back in.
This is also why the cord should be locked in place and unmovable if the car is locked, which it might be, I'm not sure.
I agree that the warranty should cover this if the owner is not at fault.
And another plus side.
It sounds like a motherfucking jet plane.
mhm, thats what the whole issue is over.LarparNar posted:
i would too, but not everyone is that considerate. There is also some airports far enough into the countryside that would be subject to large animals tripping over the car's charge cord.
it should be, yes.
I'd love an electric car.
The motors are already good enough for this application.
I just don't think that traditional batteries are the answer.
I love this
acceleration looks so smooth
Which is why it's happened five times already.
I hate Tesla. As soon as someone starts pointing out the flaws in their cars, they go into butthurt mode. First with the TopGear lawsuit (which got thrown out in court) and now they're trying to smear the guy who let the public know about this problem. And just to make matters worse, they wouldn't be around to whine about this shit if they hadn't leeched so much government money. If anyone is going to make a decent electric car, it won't be Tesla.
I do think electric cars are the future, just not with batteries like this.
Thorium reactors :3
Telsas are common where I live. Then again I live 30 min from the factory here in Silicon Valley..
Dont like, best part of the video is at 2:35 with that motor sound.
diesel-electric is only a stepping stone
Seriously, what the fuck kind of logic says that nuclear energy is cleaner and safer then solar fucking panels?
Store it somewhere, use it for something useful, shoot it into the sun, find any way.
I'm not saying I know how to do it, but dismissing it as impossible isn't going to get us anywhere.
then why we no blast everything into space,
/ideas i had when 12/
If you want to clear massive fields to fit the solar panels/wind turbines that would be necessary to output the same power as a nuke plant, be my guest. I just figured it'd be awfully hypocritical to wipe out entire ecosystems to fit your "clean energy source". Also, you'd better pray that its sunny/windy every day.
how to solve nuclear problem:
step one: store stuff in yucca mountain
step two: 200 years from now when space is cheap we build the yucca mountain space center
step three: send waste into jupiter
The current problem is that solar power is extremely expensive, personal solar power is around $6-7 per watt. A lightbulb uses around 40watts at a time iirc so, not very efficient.
Wind Generators work great on the ocean though.
I'm no expert in solar panels. Anyways,
The Nissan Leaf is pretty nifty. If you're old and have money, it'd be a perfect car for puttering around town in. Safe, Economical, Rarely needs maintenance. A shame that their battery distance needs to be improved. My friend who works at Nissan drove one, driving 2km, it dropped the battery range by 20km.