I'm not nitpicking, that point expresses a large part of my argument
And regarding everything else, just because something has potential evidence doesnt mean you can't argue against it
How effective is gender changing surgery now if done before/on the onset of puberty anyways? It seems to be improving with technological advances.
I admit I do get carried away arguing online, especially with stuff like this.
The problem with the issue of gender is it's so bloody confusing to people who aren't experts in the area.
As I understand it gender is masculinity and femininity. A transgender is someone who's gender does not match their sex. However, a gay man who is very feminine is not a transgender. There's something not quite right there.
A transgender is referred to as both a male and a female depending on the context. Now we all know with any species more complex than fish an organism is either male or female.
There's so many contradictions like this within the common knowledge of this subject and that's where most of the arguments on it spring up.
Also, so often the facts are warped by political correctness and stuff like that which doesnt help
If the child is allowed to decide her gender no permanent damage is made, if you seriously want to control what makes up someones personality you're moving into the category of thought police.
If the child is allowed to start puberty suppression at ~8 no permanent damage is made, everything is only paused and puberty immediately starts progressing as soon as the medication is stopped.
If the child is not allowed to start puberty suppression at ~8 she will suffer from dysphoria of that which you can't even comprehend.
If the child is allowed to start hormones at ~15 and has felt that she was in fact a she for a reasonable amount of time (something like 4 years) she'll be able to live as herself and stop a constant torture that spanned across ~13 years. If she regrets doing this once she's an adult she has bigger things to worry about than her appearance (sanity).
If the child is not allowed to start hormones and she truly is a she, she'll be depressed, anxious, socially isolated, and suicidal, with the chances of suicide increasing over time.
To me what you're saying sounds like masculinity and femininity can be contrary to gender, and as well as that I already know gender can be contrary to sex. Now this implies that gender does not determine masculine or feminine behaviour which contradicts loads of stuff said. Someone quoted from some source earlier that said at 2 children can differentiate between gender, but going by what you said gender is shouldn't the quote say masculine and feminine behaviour or sex instead of gender? It's confusing haha.
Btw- one more opinion...
Now I know I'm going to get a barrage of boxes but honesty I think transgenders have a tendency to be self entitled, especially when put in the context of people born with imo worse problems like horrible deformaties and what have you.
I can appreciate that many transgenders go through terrible stuff, but I do feel that wherever I go the transgender brigade are riding on a giant hyperbole
I don't know why everyone's getting all worked up about this.
While yes, some of the younger ones might be way too young, not all teenagers are immature enough to make this kind of decision.
A child has no place making these kinds of decisions.
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As long as those kids are diagnosed with it by a proven procedure, I am ok with this.