[spekter]

dass posted:

Although I would like to see the Cobras during WW2, I don't know how those would fit well, and MGS just isn't MGS without some sort of Snake in it. Maybe The Boss would "replace" him well though, and we would start with her being a rookie or something below her Boss rank and then in the end of the game, she would be awarded the rank of Boss and Snake would have a small cameo where he would start his training with her, either in a movie like in the end, or maybe some part in the game where you side with him or even like those "mysterious phone calls" at the end of each game. Although, I would LOVE to see the MSX games in current gen technology, and the stories for those games (including Frank's story) are worthy of "remakes" (if you can call them that, since they would be built from the ground up based on the story) Soo many ideas for everthing... I wish I could be in the team like some intern or anything and just give my 2 cents, even if they wouldn't be used. It would be an honor just to be able to do that for me.

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I never even tried to use the mouse. It was bad enough that I had to stretch my hand to press Num5 to lock first person view on and click on (at the time) huge keyboard arrow keys that needed a hammer to work properly at times. I just bought a gamepad later on and fixed most of my trouble with it. Graphics however got even shittier even if I set them on highest settings.

Boss wasn't a rookie in WW2 but she was obviously a while off becoming what she was in Snake Eater. It's all very risky territory and I know they won't go beyond MGS4 so I would think the safest bet would be the re-telling on the MSX games or Big Boss in Vietnam though really that's only mentioned during portable ops by Python.

[Bread_Baron]

They could fill in the 20 year gap between PW and MG1, or go post MGS4, perhaps with an entirely new character. It would be a shame if the only Metal Gear post 4 is Revengeance, they need to do a proper one.

Also I really doubt they'll bring back Solid Snake. His story is over now, as of the end of MGS4    he has months to live.   

[spekter]

Bread_Baron posted:

They could fill in the 20 year gap between PW and MG1, or go post MGS4, perhaps with an entirely new character. It would be a shame if the only Metal Gear post 4 is Revengeance, they need to do a proper one.

Also I really doubt they'll bring back Solid Snake. His story is over now, as of the end of MGS4    he has months to live.   

The gap between PW and MG1 (if you're talking the MSX game) is technically told in portable ops. Though I would love to see some Solid Snake pre-moses even if it's not a remake of the MSX games.

[Shrapnel :3]

spekter posted:

The gap between PW and MG1 (if you're talking the MSX game) is technically told in portable ops. Though I would love to see some Solid Snake pre-moses even if it's not a remake of the MSX games.

I thought portable ops was before peace walker.

[N-12_Aden]

Shrapnel :3 posted:

I thought portable ops was before peace walker.

Portable Ops is in 1970 and Peace Walker takes place in '74.

There is still the 80s and early 90's. Metal Gear 1 takes place in '95.

[dass]

Bread_Baron posted:

They could fill in the 20 year gap between PW and MG1, or go post MGS4, perhaps with an entirely new character. It would be a shame if the only Metal Gear post 4 is Revengeance, they need to do a proper one.

Also I really doubt they'll bring back Solid Snake. His story is over now, as of the end of MGS4    he has months to live.   

Again, Revengeance has NOTHING to do with the main series. Its a spin off.

[Source]

They should remake Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2 : solid snake ( Not MGS! ) pretty sure i've said this before but i don't care because i want it to happen so bad!

[Captain Chalky]

I hope this doesn't end badly.

[Ray-The-Sun]

Yikes, it's strange to see how long this series has gone on for given how much Kojima himself has tried to kill it off.

[LoLWaT?]

Really... With how MGS 4 was wrapped up, I really don't want to see another Metal Gear game that has to do with Snake.

Fucking Kojima, This is how awesome game series turn to shit.

[Bread_Baron]

dass posted:

Again, Revengeance has NOTHING to do with the main series. Its a spin off.

It's canon though.

[spekter]

N-12_Aden posted:

Portable Ops is in 1970 and Peace Walker takes place in '74.

There is still the 80s and early 90's. Metal Gear 1 takes place in '95.

Yeah I didn't think that through properly. I GUESS they could cover Outer Haven after PW or earlier missions involving Solid Snake but really, a remake of MG1/2 seems to be the most reasonable.

[Bread_Baron]

spekter posted:

Yeah I didn't think that through properly. I GUESS they could cover Outer Haven after PW or earlier missions involving Solid Snake but really, a remake of MG1/2 seems to be the most reasonable.

I think it would be pretty cool to follow an aged yet capable Big Boss, and involve The Patriots somehow. It could lead up to why over two decades after he left the US they finally send in somebody to get him. I know Snake wasn't old enough prior to that, but they could've attempted to stop him instead of leaving it 20 years. Come to think of it, why was Big Boss in command of FOXHOUND all that time afterwards? The Patriots would know he's no longer patriotic. Maybe that could be better explained in a sequel.

[Tunak Mk. II]

"Next" Metal Gear Solid you say?



I hope they can get a hold of Nic Cage for the voiceovers

[spekter]

Bread_Baron posted:

I think it would be pretty cool to follow an aged yet capable Big Boss, and involve The Patriots somehow. It could lead up to why over two decades after he left the US they finally send in somebody to get him. I know Snake wasn't old enough prior to that, but they could've attempted to stop him instead of leaving it 20 years. Come to think of it, why was Big Boss in command of FOXHOUND all that time afterwards? The Patriots would know he's no longer patriotic. Maybe that could be better explained in a sequel.

The Wikia sheds some light on the whole thing but it is still a mystery as to why Big Boss went back to FOXHOUND.

In 1971, the group was organized into an official unit within the U.S. Army (though the concept of such a unit was considered as early as 1964).[1] Big Boss originally commanded the group with Campbell acting as a tactician, and the two led them in a series of intense and difficult covert operations. However, Big Boss soon left FOXHOUND and America to form the Militaires Sans Frontieres in 1972, and it would be over 15 years before he would return to the country to re-take command of the unit

Maybe that'll be what they'll tackle now? The teaser image on the Kojima site obviously points to hounds.

[Jojje]

LoLWaT? posted:

Really... With how MGS 4 was wrapped up, I really don't want to see another Metal Gear game that has to do with Snake.

Fucking Kojima, This is how awesome game series turn to shit.

Not that Snake, dammit. I'd be really really surprised if Kojima makes more Solid Snake stuff. I sincerely doubt it.

[Ultimate7MK]

   I don't think it'll have Big Boss in it, since didn't he die after the credits in MGS4?   

[Mister Royzo]

""That's "good" to hear""

[dass]

Bread_Baron posted:

It's canon though.

It really shouldn't be canon. MGS is pretty "unreal" but Revengeance makes it look like an anime instead of an actual game.
Actually, I wont consider it canon. MGS4 was the last in the story, and its gonna stay like that for me.

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Ultimate7MK posted:

   I don't think it'll have Big Boss in it, since didn't he die after the credits in MGS4?   

It doesn't means that they can't do a remake or anything of the sort.

[i_speel_good]

dass posted:

Some it had graphic problems even though it was a "super computer" for such an old game and had its settings on high, others it ran just a bit slow but beautiful.

I remember it running better on a 2004 laptop than on a 2006 desktop. This is mainly because there was no support for certain ati cards or something like that.

[Broguts]

I have to say that we've looked into the life of Big Boss as much as we can, what's left for him? Playing from his point of view in metal gear 1 and 2, getting lit on fire by your son wouldn't be the best gameplay.

Solid snake has decided to live out his years in peace.

Raiden gets his own game.

Boss, it better fucking star the boss, how cool would that be, maybe you could also play as the other cobras.

Also, having played MG1 and two, they werent really that good, MG1 was shit. And MG2 was just very poorly done, for Odin's sake you fought Grey Fox (The fight that everyone in MGS raves about) by punching him in the face as he ran around a small room filled with landmines. Yeah, that would transition to 3D great.

[Terabytez]

LoLWaT? posted:

Really... With how MGS 4 was wrapped up, I really don't want to see another Metal Gear game that has to do with Snake.

Fucking Kojima, This is how awesome game series turn to shit.

What? Actually ending a storyline and not milking it?

[Drsalvador]

LoLWaT? posted:

Really... With how MGS 4 was wrapped up, I really don't want to see another Metal Gear game that has to do with Snake.

Fucking Kojima, This is how awesome game series turn to shit.

He's not doing it by choice, He wanted to end at MGS1.

[Warriorx4]

Drsalvador posted:

He's not doing it by choice, He wanted to end at MGS1.

Why was this rated dumb? He's absolutely right. MGS was a deconstruction of all things action movie, and when people didn't get that he didn't want to make another.

[Ganerumo]

BenJammin' posted:

How is it going to star snake?

Does it really have to star solid snake

MGS3 barely starred any characters from the other games and yet it was an awesome game.

Except if by "snake" you mean naked snake in case my bad.

[dass]

Broguts posted:

I have to say that we've looked into the life of Big Boss as much as we can, what's left for him? Playing from his point of view in metal gear 1 and 2, getting lit on fire by your son wouldn't be the best gameplay.

Solid snake has decided to live out his years in peace.

Raiden gets his own game.

Boss, it better fucking star the boss, how cool would that be, maybe you could also play as the other cobras.

Also, having played MG1 and two, they werent really that good, MG1 was shit. And MG2 was just very poorly done, for Odin's sake you fought Grey Fox (The fight that everyone in MGS raves about) by punching him in the face as he ran around a small room filled with landmines. Yeah, that would transition to 3D great.

Why thinking only about Big Boss?
You could remake MG1 and 2 instead. And it would surely be better than what you said.

IMO, they could star Big Boss (somehow, but not likely), Solid Snake (if a remake from past games) or The Boss (back before Snake Eater, but I don't know how well would people embrace it)

[Maximo13]

Everyone is missing the fact that it's Metal Gear Solid and thus related to Snake in some way. MGS3 was because it's how Big Boss founded the Patriots and got EVA as a surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles.

[Captain Chalky]

I think they should just start a completely new series. Complete with new characters, plot, story and everything.
The main reason games like Final Fantasy have stayed fresh for so long (no matter how bad the recent games have been) is because even if every single one of them may be just a copy of each other in terms gameplay, they all have a completely new lore, with small exceptions.
We already know everything that matters about the Metal Gear universe. What is there left anymore? Forced plot twists?

[LATTEH]

Sweet there hiring for an environment artist! Oh wait i would have to move to japan wouldn't I?

[AaronM202]

LoLWaT? posted:

Really... With how MGS 4 was wrapped up, I really don't want to see another Metal Gear game that has to do with Snake.

Fucking Kojima, This is how awesome game series turn to shit.

You know that snake isnt involved in anymore games right?

Kojima permanently ended his story, its only raiden or big boss now, and for them, only prequels, or possibly the boss if only in a WW2 scenario.

[Bread_Baron]

Maximo13 posted:

Everyone is missing the fact that it's Metal Gear Solid and thus related to Snake in some way. MGS3 was because it's how Big Boss founded the Patriots and got EVA as a surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles.

Actually the Solid part referred to the polygon graphics. Seriously.

Warriorx4 posted:

Why was this rated dumb? He's absolutely right. MGS was a deconstruction of all things action movie, and when people didn't get that he didn't want to make another.

I'm not buying that unless there's solid evidence. Can you actually find a source on that other than what someone wrote on tvtropes?

[Warriorx4]

Bread_Baron posted:

Actually the Solid part referred to the polygon graphics. Seriously.



I'm not buying that unless there's solid evidence. Can you actually find a source on that other than what someone wrote on tvtropes?

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/

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Also, good job on being one of the persons MGS2 was making fun of.

[Bread_Baron]

Warriorx4 posted:

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/

Edited:

Also, good job on being one of the persons MGS2 was making fun of.

Other than a handful of fans, I can find nobody supports the claims, so I'm still not buying it. I really doubt that all the time and effort put into creating the game was a giant joke based on the fans' expectations and only a small amount realised that, nevermind that a decade later it's still massively popular and nobody involved with its creation has even whispered about it despite it being supposedly obvious.

[mastermaul]

Booth #1914, it's clearly set during the Great War.

The patriots kill Franz Ferdinand.

[Warriorx4]

Bread_Baron posted:

Other than a handful of fans, I can find nobody supports the claims, so I'm still not buying it. I really doubt that all the time and effort put into creating the game was a giant joke based on the fans' expectations and only a small amount realised that, nevermind that a decade later it's still massively popular and nobody involved with its creation has even whispered about it despite it being supposedly obvious.

Sooooo, only when a great amount of people support something will you agree with it? That's a weird way to live, but to each his/her own I suppose.

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And it's not obvious. At all. I thought the 15 part analysis kinda implied that.

Edited:

There are god knows how many articles that come to the same conclusion, the latter link pretty much confirming everything discussed as the author conducted an interview with Kojima who pretty much said "yeah that's what happened." You can't look at all the evidence and just say "nah not enough people agree with it so it must not be true."

[RichyZ]

campaign play as the boss, co-op sidemissions that fill in whatever the boss didn't do with 4 players as the cobras (sorrow could be the briefer/debriefer considering he doesn't really have that many defining character traits)

[Bread_Baron]

Warriorx4 posted:

Sooooo, only when a great amount of people support something will you agree with it? That's a weird way to live, but to each his/her own I suppose.

Edited:

And it's not obvious. At all. I thought the 15 part analysis kinda implied that.

Edited:

There are god knows how many articles that come to the same conclusion, the latter link pretty much confirming everything discussed as the author conducted an interview with Kojima who pretty much said "yeah that's what happened." You can't look at all the evidence and just say "nah not enough people agree with it so it must not be true."

1) No I don't.
2) I was exaggerating.
3) Why not just present the latter link in the first place? It was the quote from Kojima I needed - despite that evidence I'm still a little dubious on the matter though.

I was able to present my ideas to Kojima, who confirmed that I am pretty much right about why he made Metal Gear Solid 2. His goal was, as he explained to me, “To make a videogame that told a story that could only be told in a videogame.” His first and foremost goal, he claims, was to “Use the medium,” which is, as he put it, “inherently postmodern.” The goal of the story the game sought to tell was to tell that story to the people of today, with no illusions of its surviving decades or centuries to leave an impact on a distant society. Even so, the gameplay, as he explains, becomes increasingly more challenging in such a way as to make the experience something round and fulfilling even to the player who skips all of the long, drawn-out dialogue sequences. The gameplay, says the man, was engaging merely because it could not be not engaging under his supervision.

The only quotes from Kojima are quite vague and I think the author might have been hearing what he wanted to hear, I still don't consider it solid evidence.

[Doneeh]

Maximo13 posted:

Everyone is missing the fact that it's Metal Gear Solid and thus related to Snake in some way. MGS3 was because it's how Big Boss founded the Patriots and got EVA as a surrogate mother for Les Enfants Terribles.

You realize Big Boss didn't found and despised the Patriots for how they glorified him right? And that he never wanted EVA to have his sons? Or that Les Enfants Terribles wasn't even known by Big Boss before it was too late? He hated the shit out of them, and for good reason. That's why there's a lot of back and forth between Zero and Big Boss during those times.

[Hakita]

One game I'd definitely be interested in would be one where you play as Raiden before and during MGS4.
Fighting Vamp while Snake is keeping the gekko at bay with the railgun would be awesome.

[Tall Russian]

I hope they do well with a new MGS production. It really did piss me off that they practically abandoned Metal Gear Rising's initial purpose which was going to tell Raiden's story from MGS2 to MGS4 if I am correct. I mean there was this gap in the story in which they were going to explain to us how all this stuff happened.