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The thing about new textures is that we don't want a complete make over. Just a upgrade. And replacing the textures will make it look completely different and nothing like the original map.
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Those new textures have same colorscheme and they're just cleaner and a bit different than the orginals.
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I really want to get Garry's opinion on all of this. Because I'm not sure if he is open to changing all the textures and adding a bunch of floors to the apartment building.
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Give him the vmf, let him work, he posts the content, and if Garry likes it add it?
He's a good mapper, let him try.
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I'm loving the map and I appreciate all the work you're doing to make it, but I feel like you're disregarding a lot of good suggestions because you want it to be like the original. I just figure that I'd be best to experiment more, because a lot of peoples ideas could really improve the map.
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OK I can't be bothered bashing this map , however I am honestly a good mapper and will be willing to help.
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I just gave oskutin the vmf and even if Garry doesn't like the changes he should still be able to fix the HDR and cubemaps more
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Also Voltage, I'm going to decompile and just test out what I'd think would be a nice concrete area
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Changing the textures is a dumb idea
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These are the new ones:
But if you say so, i'll undo those.
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All seems rather more complicated than how gm_construct used to be. Your changing it in many ways, and it's kinda loosing it's touch, imo. I don't like the fact you can go in buildings, I don't like that you're using different textures. When you add enter-able buildings, it starts to drift towards Roleplay. gm_construct used to be very simplistic yet a great example of mapping work.
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I think highvoltage should continue to be the only mapper on this. It makes it dead simple to get ideas across.
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The problem with having too many enterable buildings is that it takes away the "intimacy" of the map where everyone would be building in close proximity. Now people can go hide in various places and build on their own, which means it's harder to "tour the server" and look and what everyone is doing.
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i agree, what should be a simple, good looking stock map for even new players to enjoy has become one of those construct spinoffs that has way too many features and places for a vanilla gmod map.
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Am I the only one who really doesn't like the big shadow casted onto the ground by one of those buildings?
I don't like shadows like that.
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Maybe that next to the spawn should be 1/3 enterable?
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Uhh, I just wasted my and High Voltage's time, i just can't handle and edit pre-made maps.
But i promised to make that tenement next to the spawn if HighVoltage wants it.
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I've been trying to stress those points, more so in this post:
But people keep on wanting more buildings/floors/real windows/alleys even though it should stay as simple as possible.
The map is still just like it was in the last update, just with more bugs fixed.
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Does everyone want the extra floors?
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Maybe just 3-4 floors to the tenement next to the spawn corner.
And nowhere else.
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Imo the building is one of the best new features.
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Here is what it looked with updated textures:
Brick was the same, and the others were just polished a bit.
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No, I actually like it just fine the way it is. If we add more floors, I do think it will take away from the map's simplicity.
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They just don't seem to fit.
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I agree with you, but I did not mean stuff like tables and like. I'd just love to see some separating walls and windows - just like in the freespace maps.
I doubt anyone will use the apartments as they are right now, it's just so plain and boring :-(.
Maybe the apartments should be in the building close to spawn? In my opinion, the apartments should be placed in the most busy area, or they'll be like a ghost town I'm afraid.
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Right now I think we got the map right where we want it to be, new players and experienced players both have good places to build. My personal opinion is that you should focus on bug fixes and think about an underwater cave. Ofcourse the underwater cave dwelves into more complication slightly so after most bugs are fixed and the map is polished I think you should ask others opinion, if they say yes test it out and then ask garry. Right now I think this map is almost finished, good job guys.
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Highvoltage, are you still working on the building left of the lake, or was it to complicated? (I may have missed an earlier post regarding this.) I think you guys should really worry about fixing bugs right now. I'm just curious, but I'm fine either way.
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So far, I think alot of the map will be changed when Garry's Mod is near completion. In other words, Garry is not quite done.
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One thing I just noticed...the building by the spawn area looks very ugly and rundown compared to the other two buildings (it's got wood in the windows and peeling paint etc.). Maybe you could consider changing the textures to match the other two? Just so it doesn't look out of place in terms of the overall theme.
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I'm thinking that the map doesn't need it
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So you wan't me to make it all the same clean window texture?
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Yeah I guess, like the other two buildings, not necessarily the same texture as the other two but similar aesthetic.
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I really do like the blue bits in the windows, it adds a little detail in my eyes.
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I'm kind of conflicted because I like the colour scheme of that building, I just don't like how ghetto it looks.
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I'll just change the big wooden windows for now
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If you hadn't told me they were new textures, I would've thought you had just set your texture quality to very low...Here is what it looked with updated textures:
Brick was the same, and the others were just polished a bit.
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Enterable buildings does not equal roleplay. Also I don't know if you noticed, but construct already had two enterable buildings, so by your logic the original gm_construct is actually an rp map...
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Looks incredibly amazing so far guys. Keep up the good work is all I can say. I know I'll enjoy the updated map :D
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i really like the idea of a underwater cave, but nothing to complicated, we dont need a huge network of caves spiderwebbing across the hole map just something simple, maybe a single cave that slowly slopes down with a curve up in to an air pocket with a small sub dock and some form of access to the surface with out water, possibly a rusty ladder (maybe in an old beaten up elevator shaft with a broken elevator). it just one more element to the map we have never had but would be a great addition.
but other than that no major changes, we dont need any more buildings, prob need some work on the current buildings, developing the inside of some floors and some updated textures (nothing custom needed just clean it up a bit) and focus mostly on small details like the messed up shadows on the paths, things like that.
but again great job Highvoltage and coltan rappe you've done a great job so far and if its added, this map will be a HUGE addition to gmod, in my opinion this is the best construct update ive seen in a LONG time.
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i think it looks great just fix up all the wierd little areas and bugs
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Thanks, and what weird little areas and bugs?
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i think he means small lighting errors, shiny surfaces that shouldn't be, and the random odd shadows on the paths. things like that.
EDIT: i dont have the beta so there may or may not be lighting errors.
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21st March 2012 Last edited by highvoltage; 21st March 2012 at 04:20AM. (Moved update to new page)
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Okay, so this is starting to really piss me off. I have tried to pack a custom decal into the map using pakrat and it works out fine. But after a couple of minutes the decal removes itself and starts to spam the console with errors saying that it has no bound shader and dropping the fps to like nothing. And the same thing happens with the old credits room texture when I still had it left in. So it can't be my custom texture when it happens to a texture that was included before with no problems. Has anyone else had this problem with pakrat? Is there a way around this or am I stuck with no custom textures at all?
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-Snip- I give up trying to reason with people.
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