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Awesome.
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That many? Wow.
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This country is finally making some progress.
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Little by little.
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Yes because a people's religious beliefs are clearly the determining factor for progress.
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Why exactly does it matter what a person believes?
I'm an atheist and I don't even see why it matters. Any reason why believing in a religion is such a bad thing?
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I would say because it undermines the possibility of us pushing past religious beliefs to ensure the rights of everyone are in place.
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Atheists can be just as guilty of this as people of any other religion.
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They certainly are and I'm not being sarcastic
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Way to generalize everybody who's religious into some ignorant group. Most religious people don't follow their transcript word for word, and many of my religious friends are very tolerant of how a person chooses to live their life (ie homosexuality, abortions, etc). I have atheist friends who are complete homophobes, does that mean all atheists are homophobes now?
Hell, I can't really think of anybody I know who complains about how their religion is being violated by the practices of others.
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No they can't.
We don't follow one doctrine. We just don't accept any doctrine. We're not a religion like you implied, dammit. We're a lack of one. Get it right. We decided not to follow faith. That's it. Some decide to believe in evolution, some decide to believe in the Big Bang, etc. We're not categorized by belief, but lack of one.
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I make sexist and racist jokes all the time yet,i still support the feminist movement and the rights of blacks.
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Never thought i'd see the day of America making progress.
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*cough* Soviet Russia *cough*.
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No, but by deciding to call themselves Christian, for example. Not saying they are, but that's the most common example, they are saying that they agree with most of Christianity's beliefs. They may go to church and fund this sort of doctrine and spreading of homophobic, racist, and sexist beliefs. That's bad. If they don't follow it word for word they shouldn't be following it at all.
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You do know that some people just believe in god and don't follow any of the big religions
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Wait when was this decided and by who?
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Around 1530 and John Calvin.
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Common sense?
You can't just pick and choose in a religious book like the Bible. It's very clear that it means everything it says and you should take all of it to heart. You're not even following the Bible at that point; you're just agreeing with some ideas and rolling with it. Things like this are all or nothing.
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I know you like to believe that everyone who's religious is ignorant, but could you stop being ignorant yourself? There's hundreds of Christian churches who don't breach homophobic, racist, or sexist beliefs. Just because they identify themselves into a group which has many sects, doesn't mean they're all the same. And calling yourself a Christian doesn't automatically make you some racisti homophobe. Take your head out of your ass and read what you're typing, please.
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I'm also going to go ahead and say that it does. When you believe in something with lack of evidence, you're condoning faith and lack of proof. That stunts scientific progress at the very least.
Not to mention evolution is still, for whatever reason, not completely accepted in America.
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Of course you can pick and choose what you want to believe, it doesn't necessarily have to be from the Bible.
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Beliefs of any kind can get in the way of progress, not just religious ones, and many religious people know to think independently of their faith when it comes to politics, only taking in mind general moral lessons like be nice to your neighbor or something. Extremists of any kind can be bad. Extreme atheists might just throw the country into religious debates as well. Whether you're religious or not doesn't determine how good a person you are, tho some people taking pride in their faith or absence thereof might think otherwise.
I fail to see how it's "progress", but I guess science is answering more and more questions religion used to answer, and often with more proof or theories made very plausible by certain experiments, so this development doesn't really surprise me all too much.
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Never said it makes you a racist homophobe. I'm saying you're condoning it by believing in it. So these Christian churches that don't condone it don't completely agree with the books they're preaching from? Something's wrong there.
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Oh my god.
You're no better than the religious extremists, zally. Be more ignorant.
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Yes you can pick and choose what you wish to believe, but you can't say you believe in the Bible and THEN pick and choose.
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Yes, calling me an idiot is going to really progress a discussion.Oh my god.
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Attrocites committed by the Soviet Union were committed in the name of Communism, not Atheism. Unlike the Crusades, or 9/11, or Waco, or Jones Town
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"people can't choose what parts of the bible they want to believe in and still be christians! i'm zally and i define how people identify themselves with a religion!!11!"
Yet people do this and it's acceptable. Why the fuck are you even arguing otherwise. Are you the one who chooses how people can and cannot pick a religion?
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This is a start. Hopefully one day I'll be able to see this poll at 100%.
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The Soviet Union and it's satellites were full of religious people, didn't help that Stalin was insane though. Hell, Gorbachev was a orthodox Christian.
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Yeah it's not like you can interpret a text, or anything. Nope, clearly a fucking talking snake convinced a woman to eat an apple and that resulted in the end of a utopia.
You know nothing of religious education, you're just as ignorant as the people you claim to be ignorant.
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You're not even Christian at that point. You can't say you agree with Marxism and then pick and choose parts of it (That was a god awful example). It's all or nothing. Just say you agree with parts of it and not everything. Most people I know who say they believe in the Bible pick and choose the parts that suit their life and not the parts that don't. That's just to convenience themselves.
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That's not what I meant. Soviet Russia was de jure atheist and it really wasn't the most advanced or civilised nation.
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I'm not talking about interpreting, but rather picking parts. When it comes to the Old Testament, half of it is ignored and then the New Testament is hugged and loved.
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Yeah but it wasn't atheist at all. The people weren't at the very least.
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Can you please tell me where it's defined that if you don't believe and practice everything in the bible, you aren't a christian anymore? I'm not really going to take your word on it, since you've already proven yourself to be an extremely ignorant person.
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In a way that just makes atheism more like every other religion. There are different degrees and ways of following it. There are thousands of branches of Christianity, I for one am a Christian and I believe in evolution. My point is: every faith, even the lack thereof, has bigoted zealots. Most people around here would insist otherwise but it's true, and you'd be better off NOT taking the Catholic church's advice and actually do something about your own lunatics rather than deny their existence.
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If you're going to pretend to take the moral high ground, can you stop immaturely attacking him and focus on what he's saying? He has a good point, if the religious book is supposed to be god's teachings but you're only going to believe part of it, doesn't that kind of undermine it? Of course this only applies to religions with a holy book with offensive teachings in it, but two of the most followed religions fit this do they not?
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And Garik stop rating every single post in this thread useful.
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That's very true.
Unfortunately, the all-accepting church on the corner of Main and 1st street gets less media attention then, say, the Westburo Baptist Church.
The other unfortunate fact is that, as religious indoctrination (and general religious studies and upbringings) decline in the United States, the more extreme aspects of religion are bound to be more highlighted in the media.
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