[Mister Scurvy]

kaukassus posted:

linux ships with hardware?

I think you mean, it runs on the same range of hardware as windows.

dur durr

[Van-man]

Jookia posted:

As far as we all know, it's a proof of concept demo to see if it's feasible. Gabe's need for Linux driver devs kind of points that it may not be feasible. Why port Steam before knowing if the games it's feasible?

I haven't seen any evidence for Steam running, not even in the Phoronix shots and video.

Jookia posted:

That's a good point, it would be a waste of resources.

But still, my point is that the only evidence that Steam itself is on Linux is speculation.

I've even been able to launch L4D2 without Steam on Windows to bypass my country's sensors.

Cool, keep on grasping for straws, maybe we can finally have this area cleaned up then.
_{(and for the love of god, get a common sense dammit)}

[gparent]

The fact is, the Steam client is a prerequisite for the games to come out. So if their 'experiment' works (and so far it works, considering they've been hiring left and right and doing demos) there will also be Steam.

Psyke89 posted:

You don't hire kernel devs just to see if it's feasible though.

I dunno man, we're talking about VALVe and Gabe Newell here. Probably the only guy who would literally hire Linus and give no shit to fire him after a week if it doesn't work out.

[Jookia]

I know it's a prerequisite for the games come out. But the claim is that Steam for Linux is under development, or at least that's what I'm arguing against.

[Van-man]

Jookia posted:

I know it's a prerequisite for the games come out. But the claim is that Steam for Linux is under development, or at least that's what I'm arguing against.

And common sense calls you fully retarded.
Steam is already available for OSX, and so the biggest hurdle for them is most likely whenever they should roll with GTK+ (GTK2?), QT4, something else OR roll their own library for the GUI.

[Jookia]

I know that Left 4 Dead 2 requires Steam, but speculation isn't evidence that they have Steam on Linux. Not at this point anyway.

[Kwigg]

Jookia posted:

I know that Left 4 Dead 2 requires Steam, but speculation isn't evidence that they have Steam on Linux. Not at this point anyway.

They don't release games without you needing to download steam.

[Mister Scurvy]

If there was no steam included, their sales would go down the shitter because Steam has done wonders to lower piracy.

[Van-man]

Mister Scurvy posted:

If there was no steam included, their sales would go down the shitter because Steam has done wonders to lower piracy.

I've completely forgotten about that.
Steam is (also) Valve's DRM solution, so that further cements the fact that if Valve ever releases L4D2 for Linux, then Steam is with no doubt coming too.

[bohb]

kaukassus posted:

linux ships with hardware?

I think you mean, it runs on the same range of hardware as windows.

Linux runs on far more hardware than Windows ever will. If the CPU architecture exists, it's had Linux on it at one point or another, or some variant of *nix.

And Linux does ship with some PCs and laptops from the big manufacturers. I know Dell was offering it on some of their new machines awhile back, and I remember reading some other manufacturers doing the same.

[wauterboi]

Steam's headed in a pretty neat direction. Unfortunately Jeskola Buzz, the Adobe Suite, and a lot more aren't.

[Van-man]

wauterboi posted:

Steam's headed in a pretty neat direction. Unfortunately Jeskola Buzz, the Adobe Suite, and a lot more aren't.

Well the more people who uses the platform, the bigger are the companies desire to port their applications to that platform.

[wauterboi]

Van-man posted:

Well the more people who uses the platform, the bigger are the companies desire to port their applications to that platform.

That's what I was thinking and I forgot to edit my post with that. That's a personal super want of mine.

[gparent]

Jookia posted:

I know that Left 4 Dead 2 requires Steam, but speculation isn't evidence that they have Steam on Linux. Not at this point anyway.

Lmao..

Van-man posted:

Well the more people who uses the platform, the bigger are the companies desire to port their applications to that platform.

Plus VALVe is providing them with a great platform for distribution and DRM, so there is even more incentive to port for Linux since there is less work for companies to do.

[Van-man]

gparent posted:

Plus VALVe is providing them with a great platform for distribution and DRM, so there is even more incentive to port for Linux since there is less work for companies to do.

Exactly, Valve might actually be able to greatly increase the interest in developing games for Linux.
And if there's suddenly lots of games available, then ordinary programs might soon follow.
Though it'll still take some time, but still.

[Jookia]

So you're saying Valve has started work on a Steam Linux port, and there's evidence of it? Obviously they're going to at some point if they're going to do a release, but now, before they can even get L4D2 to run at a decent framerate?

[snuwoods]

Jookia posted:

So you're saying Valve has started work on a Steam Linux port, and there's evidence of it? Obviously they're going to at some point if they're going to do a release, but now, before they can even get L4D2 to run at a decent framerate?

We know they've been working on the Steam Linux port for a long time now, you'd have to be an idiot to ignore the fact that Steam for Linux client files were on the steam webserver; people were running them(the gui was mostly blank though)! Steam for Linux is relatively simple, they're probably mostly done. It is obvious that they're now working on porting over games, and they've started with L4D2. Steam for Linux is a priority now, whereas before Valve had focus on other things, Mac, Portal 2, etc. So Jookia, you will probably remain ignorant, but the rest of us are reasonable people willing to piece together the evidence.

[wauterboi]

Or we could stop talking to/about Jookia.

[Jookia]

Dude, all I'm saying is that nothing's been confirmed, so the statement 'Steam is coming for Linux' is just speculation. Valve may just drop the whole idea.

[wauterboi]

And you've said that a million times. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a troll. In case you aren't you should know when to stop and when people just don't care about your input. Why are you so set on changing people's opinions in the first place?

[Mister Scurvy]

Jookia posted:

Dude, all I'm saying is that nothing's been confirmed, so the statement 'Steam is coming for Linux' is just speculation. Valve may just drop the whole idea.

Yes exactly but the only logical thing to go along with L4D2 is steam. Valve isn't going to release a game on a platform without steam.

[kaukassus]

Jookia posted:

Dude, all I'm saying is that nothing's been confirmed, so the statement 'Steam is coming for Linux' is just speculation. Valve may just drop the whole idea.

and your proof is...?

[DrogenViech]

Can we fucking stop replying to jookia

[Van-man]

DrogenViech posted:

Can we fucking stop replying to jookia

As long as I'm allowed to point & laugh.

[Moofy]

Van-man posted:

As long as I'm allowed to point & laugh.

Always, Van-man. Always.

[Foxconn]

Let me quote you someone, Jookia.

FlamingSpaz posted:

Jookia's been using Linux too long.

[bye]

this gem appeared last time we had this discussion

[TheCreeper]

bye posted:

this gem appeared last time we had this discussion

I wonder what made him think that Steam and Source would have to be open source before being allowed or work on Linux.

[gparent]

TheCreeper posted:

I wonder what made him think that Steam and Source would have to be open source before being allowed or work on Linux.

Years of Microsoft fear-mongering from anti-FOSS advocates? You often see the "Software on Linux must be open source!" from people who are ignorant of what FOSS is and who just heard shit on the internet.

[P320]

Yeah, Adobe could get their head out of their ass and make the Creative Suite on Linux, but it could still be closed-source, to protect their intellectual properties from being re-hashed and ported to everything.

[bye]

being a tremendous git would attribute to it somewhat you'd think

[wauterboi]

P320 posted:

Yeah, Adobe could get their head out of their ass and make the Creative Suite on Linux, but it could still be closed-source, to protect their intellectual properties from being re-hashed and ported to everything.

I think developers look at Linux, the philosophy behind a ton of it, and the two words "open source" and immediately think of it as a daunting journey for any developer. In reality, it's just a new backbone.

[Khaleet]

Holy crap yes. With this I'll finally have a reason to install a linux distro on my desktop instead of just my laptop and server.

[sheridanm]

It would be the icing on the cake if Gaben was wearing a penguin suit prior to release.

[Van-man]

sheridanm posted:

It would be the icing on the cake if Gaben was wearing a penguin suit prior to release.

People would just laugh at him

[tratzzz]

Probably will come with a Penguin hat for linux users in TF2.

Just like the earbuds, just instead of Mac, you have to use linux.

[T3hGamerDK]

tratzzz posted:

Probably will come with a Penguin hat for linux users in TF2.

Just like the earbuds, just instead of Mac, you have to use linux.

That would actually be pretty cool to have something like that. Difference of course, is that anyone can get that item as Ubuntu (I'm assuming they're deploying to this distro first) is free.

[TheCreeper]

I wonder when Valve will launch a Beta testing program for Steam and any source games they have ported so far.

[BBgamer720]

T3hGamerDK posted:

That would actually be pretty cool to have something like that. Difference of course, is that anyone can get that item as Ubuntu (I'm assuming they're deploying to this distro first) is free.

Easy advertising for Canonical!
Everybody rushes to get Ubuntu -> People find Ubuntu awesome -> More and more people use Linux, market share goes up!

[P320]

BBgamer720 posted:

Easy advertising for Canonical!
Everybody rushes to get Ubuntu -> People find Ubuntu awesome -> More and more people use Linux, market share goes up!

I truly believe 2012/2013 will be GREAT for Linux developments. :3