[ryandaniels]

Disseminate posted:

Control and destruction of oneself? What exactly am I destroying by not watching porn? Death isn't happy and calm and productive, death is just nothingness. What's life to you?

When I say death, I'm not talking about when your heart stops beating and your brain dies. I'm talking about the absence of life.

Life, being when you love and trust yourself enough to let your logic, creativity, and passion go free.


To control oneself is destruction of oneself in that it is destruction of your relationship with yourself. Make no mistake; controlling and disciplining yourself is a sleight on an entity that does, functionally, exist. And as it would with a relationship with a person you were intimately close with, it only serves to estrange and distance that person from yourself. Eventually, these acts will create a certain sickness of the soul; I imagine this happens once you truly realize you'll never be free of your own fear and self loathing.

[Snake7]

I once went 12 years without fapping.

[Disseminate]

ryandaniels posted:

When I say death, I'm not talking about when your heart stops beating and your brain dies. I'm talking about the absence of life.

Life, being when you love and trust yourself enough to let your logic, creativity, and passion go free.


To control oneself is destruction of oneself in that it is destruction of your relationship with yourself. Make no mistake; controlling and disciplining yourself is a sleight on an entity that does, functionally, exist. And as it would with a relationship with a person you were intimately close with, it only serves to estrange and distance that person from yourself. Eventually, these acts will create a certain sickness of the soul; I imagine this happens once you truly realize you'll never be free of your own fear and self loathing.

You're talking as if this is some horrendous imprisonment of inner feelings, when in reality, it's the exact opposite. I felt gross doing it, and I'm sure many other participants did as well - the only reason we did it is because it was easier.

Controlling myself doesn't mean miscommunicating, or blocking out communication, or starving myself of food. It means controlling sexually motivated urges and trying to regulate hormonal imbalance in such a way that causes a net, end result of being happier and more content than I am now. You have the perspective that there will be no net result and we should live for the present, ie. furious masturbation and continued sensitization to porn, while I have the perspective that a net result will occur in such a way that we'll all be better people.

[ryandaniels]

Disseminate posted:

You're talking as if this is some horrendous imprisonment of inner feelings, when in reality, it's the exact opposite. I felt gross doing it, and I'm sure many other participants did as well - the only reason we did it is because it was easier.

Can you clarify; Are you saying that when you watch porn, you feel disgust?

[Disseminate]

ryandaniels posted:

Can you clarify; Are you saying that when you watch porn, you feel disgust?

A sort of "why am I doing this to myself" often occurred after watching it.

[Corndog Ninja]

I can't take any of ryandaniels' posts seriously because there's a fleshlight making fun of me next to them

[wootmonster]

I had a go at a no fap month last year, and I got to 20 days. I had no knowledge of this "Your brain on porn" concept before. And during that time I noticed major changes, I was more confident and everything that's said to happen did happen. This was no placebo as I had never heard of YBOP before, as I mentioned earlier, so give this a try if you are seriously sceptical, because this is not bullshit.

I'm certainly rebooting, add me to the list.

[Disseminate]

Corndog Ninja posted:

I can't take any of ryandaniels' posts seriously because there's a fleshlight making fun of me next to them

_{I was actually just thinking that}

[GoDL1Kelol]

I actually haven't fapped in more than two months and I don't feel the slightest urge to do so.
Dear god what's wrong with me

Oh there's a list? Count me in, I guess

[Shadaez]

Ven Kaeo posted:

Well He's got a BIT of a point there. I definitely know what goes where and what women are supposed to like and shit like that from watching porn.

Granted I watch amateur porn not that hardcore porn shit.

I definitely know more about what to do with women and sex in general than if I, say, grew up without it.

lol "supposed to like"
sorry doesn't exist

[Dr. Fishtastic]

Count me in!

No, this isn't about some conservative christian crap, so quit spouting that

[strvare]

Im in!

[mycheesecake]

Fuck it ill give it a shot. What do I have to lose?

[NO ONE]

I've tried this twice. Needless to say, I went back to my almost daily fapping habit. At least now that I work, I have less alone time at home so sometimes I go at least 2-3 days no fapping.

The second time was because I got a really good GF. I was basically like "I don't need this shit anymore". The relationship only lasted 2months and I think I went back to porn even before that.

[Marik Bentusi]

The speaker really disassembled his own argument with the rhetoric devices he's using. Most blatant one being the one he finishes his talk with, which essentially is trying to convey you're going to be a super-awesome person in every way imaginable if you stop fapping to internet porn. Well you can ask your parents if they were super geniuses because they didn't have this in their day.

Personally I've come to accept there are different biological impulses in my body and I can respect them as long as I'm in charge. So whenever part of me wants to fap and another wants to continue doing whatever, I think about the topic scientifically until all momentum is lost. Maybe silly, but effective. Sometimes I fap multiple times a week, sometimes not at all. Seems relatively controlled to me.

Also I thought stuff like no-fap-<month here> is credit to the idea people are purposefully holding back to make the fewer experiences more pleasurable. Doesn't last for a full month for everybody, but the thought was there and was, among other things, not discussed.

All in all it seemed like a presentation for somebody that collected everything that supports his point, rather than focusing on the truth. And because of that, in my eyes he's discrediting himself regardless of how much or if everything he says is completely true. I'm way too skeptical of somebody that argues like a politician.

[CMB Unit 01]

Wtf are you all talking about, I watch porn for the amazing acting.

Edit:

In all seriousness, I only ever find I watch it when I'm bored at like 2 in the morning, when I don't want to go to bed, but too tired to do anything productive.

[Xyrec]

CMB Unit 01 posted:

Wtf are you all talking about, I watch porn for the amazing acting.

"Let me help you fit those shoes!"
...
2 minutes later: sex

[haloguy234]

Wolfie13 posted:

You forgot under pros of fapping.

>Longer sexual stamina.
>Better sperm quality (Yes, really, clearing out the cobwebs is proven to work).
>Regulated Testosterone peaks. (Again, there's a period of time wherein a certain level of testosterone is good for brain activity, and then it peaks and goes too high.)

And what's fapping without porn? At least with porn you reinforce your tendancies.

tl;dr this guy's a sexual fascist.

That's not true.

Unless you take your time while masturbating and do your best to simulate sexual stimulation, you're going to give yourself less sexual stamina because you'll be training your body to reach orgasm in a matter of minutes as going fast will eventually become the only way you can orgasm.

[AftermathV2]

So what is "Porn that doesn't match his sexual orientation."

[Uncle Bourbon]

count me in

[BackflipHatchetAttack]

Confused, can I like fap and think about stuff or can I just not watch porn and fap?

[znk666]

None of the listed symptoms occurred to me.

I have sufficient amount of energy,i am likable and an extrovert i was never depressed in my entire life and my thoughts were never clouded nor do i suffer from erectile dysfunction.

Edited:

mycheesecake posted:

Fuck it ill give it a shot. What do I have to lose?

Months of viewing pornography?

[Centralia]

Does gore count?

[pawelte1]

I usually do this few times a year, 2-4 weeks long each. Not that difficult.

[Disseminate]

Marik Bentusi posted:

All in all it seemed like a presentation for somebody that collected everything that supports his point, rather than focusing on the truth. And because of that, in my eyes he's discrediting himself regardless of how much or if everything he says is completely true. I'm way too skeptical of somebody that argues like a politician.

You have the sources if you want to verify for yourself.

Edited:

AftermathV2 posted:

So what is "Porn that doesn't match his sexual orientation."

I don't quite get that part myself, but I'm pretty sure his method of thought is that you see gay porn ads occasionally on porn sites and thus become classically conditioned to fap to it. I haven't seen any sources for it, so I don't trust it.

Edited:

BackflipHatchetAttack posted:

Confused, can I like fap and think about stuff or can I just not watch porn and fap?

Yeah, you can fap, just not to porn. The idea is that porn conditions you to prefer the porn over the real stuff, if only subconsciously, because of the availability of it.

Edited:

Centralia posted:

Does gore count?

yes

[postmanX3]

For some reason I don't entirely buy this. It seems like, as other people have mentioned, one of those cure-all magic diets or something, that may not be bad for you, but isn't quite as wonderfully curative as they claim.

And anyways I usually fap sans porn. So I guess I've already succeeded?

[Jakobi]

Sign me up.

[Impact1986]

For me it is kinda like with videogames. I know that the porn on the screen is not the real experience I get when I get laid.

[Orbb]

So I can't have sex with Liara in Mass Effect anymore? The horror!

[Arvuti]

CMB Unit 01 posted:

Wtf are you all talking about, I watch porn for the amazing acting.

Edit:

In all seriousness, I only ever find I watch it when I'm bored at like 2 in the morning, when I don't want to go to bed, but too tired to do anything productive.

But ehh sure I am willing to give it a try.

[Aredbomb]

Yeah I did that. I did that for two decades. And then I stopped, or started, I guess. And I have no regrets. You know I didn't care about sperm quality or sensitization back then and I don't now, I don't plan on ever having kids and I don't care what I'm sensitive to (why should anyone?)
And I'll worry about how it affects relationships when I'm ready to start worrying about relationships. Right now, I'm not worried.

No thanks.

[Skelmech]

I want my BF to try this, my only question would be if its ok for him to continue sexual shit with me, his gf?

I'd figure since i'm not exactly porn, if he fapped to a picture of me, would that be ok?

[overpain]

Skelmech posted:

I want my BF to try this, my only question would be if its ok for him to continue sexual shit with me, his gf? or would that not be ok?

Okay i guess.
At least im not stopping with my gf.

[TrulliLulli]

sign me up boss

[Skelmech]

also really a majority of that guys speech is just ANTI-PORN EVERYBODY!!! though there are health benefits to not fapping every goddamn day.

Edited:

I guess sign me and my bf up.

(just put something like Skelmech(and bf) or some shit idk)

[Electroholic]

Unless you're one of the lucky few, you will be forever alone due to the aforementioned problems.

That explains a lot. Gunna go delete my porn collection now.

[overpain]

Skelmech posted:

also really a majority of that guys speech is just ANTI-PORN EVERYBODY!!! though there are health benefits to not fapping every goddamn day.

Edited:

I guess sign me and my bf up.

(just put something like Skelmech(and bf) or some shit idk)

Good luck

[Scarabix]

I have not fapped since wednesday. I am gonna try and not fap until my next intercourse. Wish me good luck.

[Disseminate]

Skelmech posted:

I want my BF to try this, my only question would be if its ok for him to continue sexual shit with me, his gf?

I'd figure since i'm not exactly porn, if he fapped to a picture of me, would that be ok?

Yeah, that's technically sensitization to you, so you're golden.

Edited:

Scarabix posted:

I have not fapped since wednesday. I am gonna try and not fap until my next intercourse. Wish me good luck.

Why not lol

[mobrockers2]

Skelmech posted:

I want my BF to try this, my only question would be if its ok for him to continue sexual shit with me, his gf?

I'd figure since i'm not exactly porn, if he fapped to a picture of me, would that be ok?

I dunno, I'd have to see the picture first. For science.