1. Post #321
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    well, absolute any thread having to do with rape is going to turn into misinformed people defending rape and victim blaming
    In this thread I've seen one side asking for evidence and trying to look at this case rationally, the side that is actually examining the facts that the article has presented. On the other side of the debate we mostly have people having emotional outbursts and calling people who disagree with them misogynists, though to be fair there have at least been a handful of people who seem to be interested in having a rational discussion about the facts here.

    I've seen no one defending rape, people have been asking "how is this rape".

    plus he was 100% correct, soo
    um..nope
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  2. Post #322
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    I feel sorry for the dude.

    He probably took her back, with her consent.

    The next morning, she finds out he's famous, calls 'rape' for the attention/money and he's fucked!
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  3. Post #323
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    plus he was 100% correct, soo
    um..nope
    Look at the post below you.
    I feel sorry for the dude.

    He probably took her back, with her consent.

    The next morning, she finds out he's famous, calls 'rape' for the attention/money and he's fucked!
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  4. Post #324
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    Look at the post below you.
    Where in his post does he try to defend rape?

    He is questioning the validity of the women's story and whether or not there was rape at all.
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  5. Post #325
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    Where in his post does he try to defend rape?

    He is questioning the validity of the women's story and whether or not there was rape at all.
    It's the "rape culture" thing. He's seriously thinking that the woman plotting to accuse the man of rape for attention or money is more plausible than the woman not consenting.

    You don't have to outright say "rape isn't that bad" or "she deserved it" to defend rape.
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  6. Post #326
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    He is posting one of his ideas on what happened.
    It has happened before and though unlikely doesn't mean he thinks that rape isn't bad or that he approves of it.

    There is evidence that he was picking her up and that she was drunk but it doesn't mean that he wasn't intoxicated and thought that she wanted to have sex with him.
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  7. Post #327
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    I'm aware this is fairly far back, but this point is so spectacularly wrong, and the misconception so rampant, that it requires addressing.
    You are, but legally speaking no person is capable of giving consent (sexual or otherwise) under the influence of an intoxicant.
    In most western nations, including both the US and the UK, everything up to legally enforceable contracts can be consented to while intoxicated, the only issue being whether the intoxication was inflicted upon you by another party or not. "I was drunk" is meaningless.

    Put another way, think of how absurd what you're saying is when put into abstract terms. "I did not legally give consent because I was in a state of mind I put myself in of my own volition." Suddenly, you can argue you consented to nothing, ever. Oh, that care loan? I was sleep deprived when I signed the contract.

    Unless there's some massive bit of the article missing, the basic statutory requirements for a rape conviction were not met, and this is a fucking travesty.
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  8. Post #328
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    "Hello Judge. Ok so, I got myself really super drunk. There's no proof to the contrary but I'd just like to throw it out there that maybe my drink was spiked? Who knows. Anyway, I don't remember anything because (again) I drank way too much and kinda regret fucking this guy, so could you please send him to prison for a few years so I can feel a bit better about it? Thanks."
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  9. Post #329
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    People go out, and entirely by choice, drink alcohol that is designed to dumb down the senses and intoxicate.

    This girl drank past her limits.

    Drinking past your limits and still being down to fuck is commonplace. Many a time I've seen girls staggering around, clothes falling off, unable to talk, yet still groping guys, falling into their arms, grinding on them and generally being promiscuous.

    Basically, what I'm saying is, why the fuck should the guy take the FULL responsibility for what happened? She drank and she bore the consequences. Why should her possible guilt-trip be taken seriously when she contributed 50% to it occurring in the first place, by apparently drinking to much and ending up sleeping with the guy.
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  10. Post #330
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    Getting blackout drunk by your own decision doesn't mean it is a free pass for you to be taken advantage of
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  11. Post #331
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    Two people get blackout drunk and end up waking up together.

    Girl calls rape.

    What do?

    (aside from go to jail for 5 years)
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  12. Post #332
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    No but it's not like the man is making rational decisions after he sees a girl he wants to have sex with, has been drinking, and thinks that he is going to have sex.
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  13. Post #333
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    If both people were black-out drunk I'll concede that if a case was brought to court it'd go no-where. In this case I think you'd find the footballer wasn't black-out drunk and therefore sexually assaulted her.
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  14. Post #334
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    How do we know the footballer wasn't blackout drunk.

    He could also have been horny and not thinking about the consequences or about the girl.
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  15. Post #335
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    Somehow I feel during the trial these things would have been worked out, the only information we have is from an article written by the BBC, the judge felt the evidence warranted a 5 year sentence and I believe if we had the court transcripts it would be obvious why.
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  16. Post #336
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    Then she shouldn't drink in public ever lest she throw herself onto more men and get them in trouble too. I think there's a fine line between getting yourself wasted and asking for sex to getting your drink drugged or something.

    Honestly if his story is true then what she did was a bitch move.
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  17. Post #337
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    There have been bad judge calls before.
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  18. Post #338
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    If both people were black-out drunk I'll concede that if a case was brought to court it'd go no-where. In this case I think you'd find the footballer wasn't black-out drunk and therefore sexually assaulted her.
    God forbid you ever have sex with a girl who's had the slightest amount of alcohol?
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  19. Post #339
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    There have been bad judge calls before.
    Please tell me how in this case it was a bad call, especially when you are arguing from a news article and your own bias
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  20. Post #340
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    Please tell me how in this case it was a bad call, especially when you are arguing from a news article and your own bias
    Testimony from someone who can't remember what happened.
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  21. Post #341
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    God forbid you ever have sex with a girl who's had the slightest amount of alcohol?
    I 100% absolutely said this

    Edited:

    Testimony from someone who can't remember what happened.
    You don't know the footballer or his friend incriminated themselves or any other witnesses did
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  22. Post #342
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    I 100% absolutely said this
    All well and good if you're 10 years old.

  23. Post #343
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    Misleading title, she claims he spiked her drink.

  24. Post #344
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    Hoodoo you really love that box rating don't you
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  25. Post #345
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    Hoodoo you really love that box rating don't you
    I'm not complaining
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  26. Post #346
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    I feel sorry for the dude.

    He probably took her back, with her consent.

    The next morning, she finds out he's famous, calls 'rape' for the attention/money and he's fucked!
    This isn't based on evidence, you're just a misogynist.
    People thinking you're a victim of rape is not an enjoyable experience (especially not with people like you around).

    Edited:

    People go out, and entirely by choice, drink alcohol that is designed to dumb down the senses and intoxicate.

    This girl drank past her limits.

    Drinking past your limits and still being down to fuck is commonplace. Many a time I've seen girls staggering around, clothes falling off, unable to talk, yet still groping guys, falling into their arms, grinding on them and generally being promiscuous.

    Basically, what I'm saying is, why the fuck should the guy take the FULL responsibility for what happened? She drank and she bore the consequences. Why should her possible guilt-trip be taken seriously when she contributed 50% to it occurring in the first place, by apparently drinking to much and ending up sleeping with the guy.
    I'll bet she also wore slutty clothes!
    It's her own damn fault!!

    Edited:

    For real though, fuck you.
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  27. Post #347
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    I would like to know how much alcohol you have to consume before you're absolved of responsibility for your actions.
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  28. Post #348
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    The evidence of his guilt is he had sex with her and she doesn't remember any of it, she woke up naked in a hotel room with no idea what had happened, and he said he had sex with her, along with a friend of him joining in. And she consented under heavy use of alcohol (which may have been spiked with a drug), meaning it really wasn't her consenting, but the alcohol/drugs making her want to in her addled state of mind.
    Well...that's the risk of drinking, if you drink too much you don't really control your actions. If anything she probably got blackout drunk and wants to blame it on a "drug". Now, if there was evidence that shows she had copious amounts of some drug in her body then yeah, that would be rape. What I don't get is that if you choose to drink and drive then end up in an accident killing a family of 5 you are responsible; now if you're a woman and you drink an excessive amount of alcohol then drunkenly consent to sex it somehow is still the man's fault. That's just insane to me; she chose to keep drinking, so she's responsible for what she does while on alcohol.
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  29. Post #349
    The rule of thumb is that if someone's intoxicated you probably shouldn't put your dick in them.

    Edited:

    That said, if you were as drunk as they were then it probably wouldn't matter.
    In the UK, if a man and a woman are both equally drunk and have sex, the man is a rapist.

  30. Post #350
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    Wait so driving while drunk makes a person a criminal, but having sex while drunk makes you a rape victim? This makes no fucking sense at all.
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  31. Post #351
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    Wait so driving while drunk makes a person a criminal, but having sex while drunk makes you a rape victim? This makes no fucking sense at all.
    a car can't figure out if you're drunk or not
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  32. Post #352
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    a car can't figure out if you're drunk or not
    But it's still the drunk person's responsibility. By the sound of it she did it willingly. She went home with the guy and had consensual sex. According to his testimony at least. At what intoxication level does her consent stop counting?
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  33. Post #353
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    I'll bet she also wore slutty clothes!
    It's her own damn fault!!

    Edited:

    For real though, fuck you.
    That isn't an argument though it's a straw man and it doesn't address what he said. She did in fact go out get extremely drunk voluntarily, and then tried to use being drunk as an excuse why she shouldn't be held accountable for her decision to have sex with two guys, or at the very least, even share 1% of the blame of what she regretted doing.

    If she was drugged by the guys, then fair enough, it's not her fault, but no solid evidence has been presented here proving that these guys drugged her.
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  34. Post #354
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    Having sex with someone who's drunk just might be morally inappropriate in some cases, but in all fairness it should not be legally wrong unless a women was gotten deliberately drunk by a guy

    Just think what being drunk actually is, it's an impairment of judgement. So what about people who are in a permanent state of impaired judgement? Is having sex with a consenting individual who suffers from severe dementia always rape?
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  35. Post #355
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    Rate me dumb if you want, but I just don't think "too drunk to consent" is a good excuse for calling rape.
    How often do you hear men calling rape after he regrets having sex with someone after drinking too much?

    Hell... if both people are having sex while drunk, how come we can determine one of them was too drunk to consent while the other one wasn't just too drunk to not realize what he was doing? I think these laws are bullshit, and if you regret consenting because you were drunk than that's your own fault for being a complete fucking retard that can't take responsibility for how much you drink.
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  36. Post #356
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    I think you should be held responsible for your actions, drunk or not.

    After all, it was your decision to drink (assuming she wasn't poisoned as she claims).
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  37. Post #357
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    Unless the drink truly was spiked, this man has my sympathy.

    Edited:

    I think you should be held responsible for your actions, drunk or not.

    After all, it was your decision to drink (assuming she wasn't poisoned as she claims).
    I think this should apply both ways.

    Rape someone while drunk? It's your fault for being a jackass and drinking more than you can handle.
    Sleep with someone and regret it? It's your fault for being a jackass and drinking more than you can handle.
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  38. Post #358
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    Yeah, this is bullshit, not being held accountable for your actions if you're drunk. Why can you murder someone while drunk, then? Can you go out and commit a crime and then just say "Oh, I was drunk." and get off?

    The point I'm trying to make is women need to start accepting responsibility for what they do while they're drunk. If you're the type to go have a romp when you're drunk, then you don't need to drink. You know what you're getting into.

    sp00ks posted:
    Why is it that every time we get a story about a women being raped people instantly thinks she is lying?
    Because that has never ever happened before.
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  39. Post #359
    If the chick was blackout drunk and the man was kinda drunk, how can he even tell if she was too drunk or just wanted to have sex?
    Unless she was durgged, the guy should be innocent. People do stupid shit while drunk, people fuck while drunk, no one gets hurt most of the time. Not to mention she can't even remember.
    What annoys me here most is the stupid judge passing judgement with so little evidence.
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  40. Post #360
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    Yeah, this is bullshit, not being held accountable for your actions if you're drunk. Why can you murder someone while drunk, then? Can you go out and commit a crime and then just say "Oh, I was drunk." and get off?

    The point I'm trying to make is women need to start accepting responsibility for what they do while they're drunk. If you're the type to go have a romp when you're drunk, then you don't need to drink. You know what you're getting into.
    It's not about what she did, but what was done to her.

    Because that has never ever happened before.
    It probably has, but not every often.
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