[KabsIsBack]

Ugh, not this shit again. Things like that show Nazi Hunters make me cringe so fucking hard.
Why are they wasting money and resources tracking down 90 year olds who just want to die alone? All this shit is extremely exaggerated too, taken from Nazi Hunters again
"How do you feel about how 6 million Jews were executed?"
"I feel very sorry about it."
"BUT YOU DID IT!"

[Lankist]

Mingebox posted:

Yeah, but didn't the bombings of Tokyo kill more people? I forget.

no.

the Tokyo firebombings killed ~125,000 people

The blast of the two nukes alone killed ~200,000+, not to mention radiation, looting, and the general anarchy that followed.

The act of dropping those bombs was an act of evil if anything at all could be called such a thing. We are the only people in the history of the world to ever use those weapons as belligerents. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be a mark of great shame upon the United States and all of the allied nations.

Of course, people still defend it because it's impossible that we did something wrong, too.

[carcarcargo]

ITokez posted:

If being dumb was a crime....

Having a different opinion to you doesn't make me dumb, get your head out of your ass.

[RearAdmiral]

I don't know, I heard he was still active during the sixties as well.

[AceOfDivine]

As they say, winners write the history. Losers are portrayed as evil bla bla. Sure nazis were bad but come on, hunting them now? WHY!

[carcarcargo]

AceOfDivine posted:

As they say, winners write the history. Losers are portrayed as evil bla bla. Sure nazis were bad but come on, hunting them now? WHY!

Your crimes don't just disappear because you were good at hiding.

[Zezibesh]

carcarcargo posted:

Your crimes don't just disappear because you were good at hiding.

What's the point of prosecuting a 91-year old man, when his supposed crime happened 70 years ago?

[carcarcargo]

Zezibesh posted:

What's the point of prosecuting a 91-year old man, when his supposed crime happened 70 years ago?

Because he still committed a war crime, most war criminals are harmless once they go into hiding, we still take them to trial regardless. If you let this guy go you might as well let most of the others go as well.

[Zezibesh]

carcarcargo posted:

Because he still committed a war crime, most war criminals are harmless once they go into hiding, we still take them to trial regardless. If you let this guy go you might as well let most of the others go as well.

Then why aren't we prosecuting allied or Japanese war criminals? Isn't the law same for everyone?

[Fort83]

This is pretty pathetic, going after an old man.

[carcarcargo]

Zezibesh posted:

Then why aren't we prosecuting allied or Japanese war criminals? Isn't the law same for everyone?

We did persecute the Japanese war criminals, some got away with what they did so we could use their research though, as was the same with some Nazi war criminals. As for allied ones, I don't really know of many allied war criminals so I couldn't comment.

[AceOfDivine]

There's no proof he's a war criminal. It's just speculations.
Not to mention, if we get all war criminals, why aren't we arresting all these heads who order attacks that result in so many innocent deaths? Oh right, cause we're fighting bad people and since we are the good ones, we do not commit crimes.

[Tibbolax]

If he really is a Nazi i bet he spends each night regretting what he did or maybe he suffers from nightmares and WWII flashbacks

[galenmarek]

The fact that this guy pretty much ignores anything related to WW2 most likely means that it's caused him a huge deal of distress and regret from what most likely he was forced to do or be shot for not following a order.

[Lachz0r]

i wonder if these people would hunt israeli settlers who commit horrific crimes on the palestinian people?

[BusterBluth]

Lankist posted:

no.

the Tokyo firebombings killed ~125,000 people

The blast of the two nukes alone killed ~200,000+, not to mention radiation, looting, and the general anarchy that followed.

The act of dropping those bombs was an act of evil if anything at all could be called such a thing. We are the only people in the history of the world to ever use those weapons as belligerents. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be a mark of great shame upon the United States and all of the allied nations.

Of course, people still defend it because it's impossible that we did something wrong, too.

It was a necessary act of evil considering the millions of people who where projected to die if an invasion of main land Japan was to happen. Which is why people defend it, not because it was okay because we did it, but because it was unfortunately necessary.

[carcarcargo]

AceOfDivine posted:

There's no proof he's a war criminal. It's just speculations.
Not to mention, if we get all war criminals, why aren't we arresting all these heads who order attacks that result in so many innocent deaths? Oh right, cause we're fighting bad people and since we are the good ones, we do not commit crimes.

Not much we can do about war criminals who are in countries that support them without invading. Best to deal with the ones we can get at.

[RentAhobO]

Chasing down old nazi soldiers for something that happened that long ago is so pointless.

[Lachz0r]

BusterBluth posted:

It was a necessary act of evil considering the millions of people who where projected to die if an invasion of main land Japan was to happen. Which is why people defend it, not because it was okay because we did it, but because it was unfortunately necessary.

no way in hell is nuking cities full of people 'unfortunately necessary' noooo waaay

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

no way in hell is nuking cities full of people 'unfortunately necessary' noooo waaay

Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?

[AceOfDivine]

carcarcargo posted:

Not much we can do about war criminals who are in countries that support them without invading. Best to deal with the ones we can get at.

Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why?

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carcarcargo posted:

Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?

Nuking a more remote place would've probably stopped the war too. Though history is history and discussing alternatives seems pointless.

[carcarcargo]

AceOfDivine posted:

Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why?

Adolf Einchmann and many other Nazi officials also went off to live somewhat peaceful lives, but what if we'd let them get away with it. That would tell all future war criminals that as long as they're good at hiding and stop their war crimes at the hint that they are beginning to lose, they can get away with what they did. You just can't give off the message.

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AceOfDivine posted:

Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why?

Edited:


Nuking a more remote place would've probably stopped the war too. Though history is history and discussing alternatives seems pointless.

A remote area probably wouldn't have showed the power of it as much, never mind the fact that the American's still had no real idea of the potential destruction the bombs would cause. Nagasaki could possibly be called unnecessary however, considering the Japanese were already willing to surrender after the first bomb, with the second being more to scare the Russians.

[Lachz0r]

carcarcargo posted:

Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?

no because that wouldn't have happened. man, don't you see how awful it is to kill the shit out of fuckloads of people with goddamn nuclear bombs and then radiation poisoning shitloads more for generations simply because some assholes projected how many people they thought would die otherwise? i mean come on, there was no reason to even invade japan anyway at the end of the war they were an island nation with a destroyed fleet what could they possibly do???

[BusterBluth]

Lankist posted:

apart from the fact that they wiped two civilian cities completely off the map, killing more people in an instant than all the torture japan committed against combatants combined?

Edited:

terrifying fact:

initially, Truman was going to bomb the capital (and, you know, the emperor), but a rainstorm was approaching, so on the spur of the moment he decided to bomb a civilian target instead.

The bombing of civilian cities was not planned. It was circumstance. A last-minute decision while the bomb was in-flight that wiped thousands of innocent civilians off the face of this Earth. Because Truman didn't want a few Americans to turn on the windshield wipers, he killed thousands of innocent foreign nationals.

Don't pretend that isn't monstrous.

You ether have bad information or are pulling stuff out of your ass.

Both of the city's that where bombed where pre planned bombing targets. Its true that Kokura was the first choice for the dropping of Fat Man but due to cloud coverage it was decided to change targets to Nagasaki, which was the second choice to Kokura.

Tokyo was never intended to be the target of ether bombing missions.

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

no because that wouldn't have happened. man, don't you see how awful it is to kill the shit out of fuckloads of people with goddamn nuclear bombs and then radiation poisoning shitloads more for generations simply because some assholes projected how many people they thought would die otherwise? i mean come on, there was no reason to even invade japan anyway at the end of the war they were an island nation with a destroyed fleet what could they possibly do???

The same that happened with Germany could very well have happened, with the country refusing to ceasefire even after the enemy has pushed them back to their capitol. If that would have happened then even more would likely have died. Don't get me wrong I'd rather no one had had to die, but I'm not going to condemn them for using the bombs when they had very limited options.

[Lachz0r]

carcarcargo posted:

The same that happened with Germany could very well have happened, with the country refusing to ceasefire even after the enemy has pushed them back to their capitol. If that would have happened then even more would likely have died. Don't get me wrong I'd rather no one had had to die, but I'm not going to condemn them for using the bombs when they had very limited options.

germany had shitloads of people scrambling to make deals with the allies once they invaded. the same thing would of happened, but again, island nation why bother invading? really i think that no matter what when it comes to nuclear bombs the end doesn't justify the means unless it was like fighting aliens or some shit who were literally gonna wipe out humanity

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

germany had shitloads of people scrambling to make deals with the allies once they invaded. the same thing would of happened, but again, island nation why bother invading? really i think that no matter what when it comes to nuclear bombs the end doesn't justify the means unless it was like fighting aliens or some shit who were literally gonna wipe out humanity

Yeah it's an island nation but unless they agreed to give up there was no way of knowing whether or not they'd just rebuild stuff and just continuously attack. Nobody really knew how devastating nuclear weapons would be at that point and after it was demonstrated they pretty much brought about the somewhat peaceful era we live in today were large advanced nations are no longer constantly at war with each other through fear of nuclear weapons.

[Lachz0r]

carcarcargo posted:

Yeah it's an island nation but unless they agreed to give up there was no way of knowing whether or not they'd just rebuild stuff and just continuously attack. Nobody really knew how devastating nuclear weapons would be at that point and after it was demonstrated they pretty much brought about the somewhat peaceful era we live in today were large advanced nations are no longer constantly at war with each other through fear of nuclear weapons.

i dunno man. i guess i'm just not a fan of nuclear bombs

Edited:

radiation i'm not a fan of that neither

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

i dunno man. i guess i'm just not a fan of nuclear bombs

Edited:

radiation i'm not a fan of that neither

I have no problem with radiation, helps treat cancer and what not.

[Lachz0r]

carcarcargo posted:

I have no problem with radiation, helps treat cancer and what not.

it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer

Very rarely I'd assume.

[Lachz0r]

carcarcargo posted:

Very rarely I'd assume.

i dunno man people in nagasaki and hiroshima still getting born with deformities and developing cancer

[AceOfDivine]

Lachz0r posted:

it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer

Don't forget horrible mutations from birth

[carcarcargo]

Lachz0r posted:

i dunno man people in nagasaki and hiroshima still getting born with deformities and developing cancer

Well I'm fairly sure that was an unforeseen consequence, I'm not going to hold them to account for something they didn't see coming.

[Lachz0r]

AceOfDivine posted:

Don't forget horrible mutations from birth

damn man read the post above you

[kaze4159]

So he was a male adult in Germany, meaning he was forced into military service. He was ordered to fire at people trying to escape, and if he didn't he'd most likely be killed.

Clearly he's responsible for the massacre

[Lachz0r]

the title is right i really am talking to a dumbass haha just kidding man dont worry

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carcarcargo posted:

Well I'm fairly sure that was an unforeseen consequence, I'm not going to hold them to account for something they didn't see coming.

i dunno dude ain't we known since marie curie that radiation fucks you up? and i'm fairly certain they knew what was coming when they decided to drop the most deadliest weapon ever created on civilian targets

[AceOfDivine]

Lachz0r posted:

i dunno dude ain't we known since marie curie that radiation fucks you up? and i'm fairly certain they knew what was coming when they decided to drop the most deadliest weapon ever created on civilian targets

Yes, they knew it would stop war and millions of death if land invasion was to happen

[Lachz0r]

AceOfDivine posted:

Yes, they knew it would stop war and millions of death if land invasion was to happen

there is literally no way they could know if japan would have kept fighting or if a land invasion would have even been necessary or blah blah blah. they 100% knew that if they dropped 2 nuclear bombs on 2 cities full of people they would kill shitloads of people are you really trying to act like this was the lesser of two evils?

[AceOfDivine]

Lachz0r posted:

there is literally no way they could know if japan would have kept fighting or if a land invasion would have even been necessary or blah blah blah. they 100% knew that if they dropped 2 nuclear bombs on 2 cities full of people they would kill shitloads of people are you really trying to act like this was the lesser of two evils?

Lesser of TWO evils? What is the first evil we're talking about?