1. Post #321
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    I don't when did I say I did?
    When you said he consented to sex.

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    Though I'm going to go ahead and say that I believe it probably was rape. Simply because I'm leaving soon.
    Fair enough, these jackasses think it WAS RAPE NO DOUBT BOUT IT CUZ THEY READ BRIEF SENSATIONALIST ARTICLE ON FACEPUNCH NEWS SUB-FORUM!!!!!"
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    I don't when did I say I did?
    You didn't, which only makes a better reason for you to probably not ask that question. Unless you know what was on his mind, you probably shouldn't ask us if we did.

    Also, you haven't responded to those links I posted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by...les_by_females Try this one on for size.

  4. Post #324

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    When you said he consented to sex.
    I didn't say that, I said there is no evidence that he wasn't consenting

  5. Post #325
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    I don't when did I say I did?
    You vehemently defending your idea that this wasn't rape implies that you believe you know that he consented to the sex.

    Stacie Miller of the Kissimmee Police Department told Fox: 'She was having sex with one of her students when she was working. She definitely took advantage of this child.'

    The victim told police about the sexual encounter. He said Wilson called him out of class to say he had left something behind in her classroom.

    When he arrived, she pushed him against the wall and touched him. She then led him to a closet, took off his clothes and had sex with him, according to a police report.

    In his statement to police, the victim said he was ashamed of what happened and that Wilson took his virginity

    He stated: 'It's bad, that when I grow up and think about my first time, I have to think about Ms Wilson.'

    He told police about the relationship last month after she started sending him topless pictures of herself to his cellphone, which made him feel 'uncomfortable' according to police.
    This quote happens to be in great contrast to that idea.
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    Fair enough, these jackasses think it WAS RAPE NO DOUBT BOUT IT CUZ THEY READ BRIEF SENSATIONALIST ARTICLE ON FACEPUNCH NEWS SUB-FORUM!!!!!"
    Meanwhile you say it WASN'T RAPE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE WAS HOT AND HE HAD AN ERECTION EVEN THOUGH ERECTIONS ARE INVOLUNTARY AND IN NO WAY INDICATIVE OF WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS ACTUALLY CONSENTING.

    See? I can exaggerate viewpoints, too.
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    I didn't say that, I said there is no evidence that he wasn't consenting
    Consent isn't even legally valid when a minor actually explicitly consents to a much older adult.

    What makes you think implied consent of all things is even remotely valid in this case?

  8. Post #328

    April 2012
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    You didn't, which only makes a better reason for you to probably not ask that question. Unless you know what was on his mind, you probably shouldn't ask us if we did.

    Also, you haven't responded to those links I posted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by...les_by_females Try this one on for size.
    Statutory female-on-male rape

    Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave)
    Boy, that sure is a fountain of enlightenment you have there

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    Consent isn't even legally valid when a minor actually explicitly consents to a much older adult.

    What makes you think implied consent of all things is even remotely valid in this case?
    I'm not speaking from a legal standpoint

    Edited:

    You vehemently defending your idea that this wasn't rape implies that you believe you know that he consented to the sex.



    This quote happens to be in great contrast to that idea.
    I'm defending the idea of a neutral standpoint, which is all I hope anyone to gain by reading this brief internet news article
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    Boy, that sure is a fountain of enlightenment you have there
    I was hoping you would have caught this part:

    Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina.
    Edited:

    I'm defending the idea of a neutral standpoint, which is all I hope anyone to gain by reading this brief internet news article
    If you were speaking from a neutral standpoint you would have at least allowed the possibility that it MIGHT have been rape. Instead you're just defending the idea that it wasn't and never could be.

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    I'm not speaking from a legal standpoint
    So you are speaking from a moral standpoint.

    So you think it is morally acceptable for a teacher to take advantage of a much younger student for sex on the basis of implied consent.

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    So you are speaking from a moral standpoint.

    So you think it is morally acceptable for a teacher to take advantage of a much younger student for sex on the basis of implied consent.
    Can I just add to this that, while morals are subjective, the majority of people in certain groups (like, say, facepunch) tend to share the same moral views? So pretty much if the majority of people think something is morally wrong, and you're the only one that doesn't, you're pretty much outmatched when it comes to actually arguing said morals.

  12. Post #332

    April 2012
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    I was hoping you would have caught this part:



    Edited:



    If you were speaking from a neutral standpoint you would have at least allowed the possibility that it MIGHT have been rape. Instead you're just defending the idea that it wasn't and never could be.
    I already pointed out that sex organs can be stimulated without emotional consent from the person.

    I just said there is no evidence that it was forced in any way. Causing me to lean twards the idea that he consented.

    Edited:

    So you are speaking from a moral standpoint.

    So you think it is morally acceptable for a teacher to take advantage of a much younger student for sex on the basis of implied consent.
    My moral standpoint says if he was willing and she was willing and he was of age as was she, I see nothing wrong.

  13. Post #333

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    Can I just add to this that, while morals are subjective, the majority of people in certain groups (like, say, facepunch) tend to share the same moral views? So pretty much if the majority of people think something is morally wrong, and you're the only one that doesn't, you're pretty much outmatched when it comes to actually arguing said morals.
    Exactly, which is why I'm not sure why I even bother.

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    I already pointed out that sex organs can be stimulated without emotional consent from the person.

    I just said there is no evidence that it was forced in any way. Causing me to lean twards the idea that he consented.
    Then you aren't being neutral. And there is evidence. It might not be ENOUGH evidence for you but you have to admit that it's there.

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    I already pointed out that sex organs can be stimulated without emotional consent from the person. I just said there is no evidence that it was forced in any way. Causing me to lean twards the idea that he consented.
    Except...you know...the part where it said he was pushed and touched by the teacher after being lured into a room.

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    I already pointed out that sex organs can be stimulated without emotional consent from the person.

    I just said there is no evidence that it was forced in any way. Causing me to lean twards the idea that he consented.
    Rape: sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent. A person who commits an act of rape is known as a rapist. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or with a person who is incapable of valid consent.

    Notice how it there are more methods are rape than just force?
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  17. Post #337

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    Then you aren't being neutral. And there is evidence. It might not be ENOUGH evidence for you but you have to admit that it's there.
    Show me evidence
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    I already pointed out that sex organs can be stimulated without emotional consent from the person.

    I just said there is no evidence that it was forced in any way. Causing me to lean twards the idea that he consented.

    and I'm still leaning on the idea that you're wrong

    maybe its because you are

    blatantly and indisputably
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  19. Post #339

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    Except...you know...the part where it said he was pushed and touched by the teacher after being lured into a room.
    Touched? You mean she stroked his crotch a couple of times during the encounter?

    If something comes in contact with my crotch and I'm not remotely thinking about sex, I don't get a boner.

    Edited:

    and I'm still leaning on the idea that you're wrong

    maybe its because you are

    blatantly and indisputably
    about what?
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    Fair enough, these jackasses think it WAS RAPE NO DOUBT BOUT IT CUZ THEY READ BRIEF SENSATIONALIST ARTICLE ON FACEPUNCH NEWS SUB-FORUM!!!!!"
    and because all evidence points to it being true
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  21. Post #341

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    Rape: sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent. A person who commits an act of rape is known as a rapist. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or with a person who is incapable of valid consent.

    Notice how it there are more methods are rape than just force?
    But none were present
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    Show me evidence
    Besides the shit we already showed you? Like the unwanted sexual advances and being lured to the scene of the eventual crime under false pretenses and whatnot? Because if you refuse to even consider those pieces of evidence then I refuse to believe you are anything other than a troll.
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    But none were present
    Rape: sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, which is initiated by one or more persons against another person without that person's consent. A person who commits an act of rape is known as a rapist. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or with a person who is incapable of valid consent.

    I don't know about you, but using my skill in maths I count about three present factors.

    And maybe a bit of force as well considering the article.
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    Touched? You mean she stroked his crotch a couple of times during the encounter?

    If something comes in contact with my crotch and I'm not remotely thinking about sex, I don't get a boner.
    How many of the things that came into contact with your crotch were people who were trying to have sex with you even though you didn't want to?
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  25. Post #345

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    Besides the shit we already showed you? Like the unwanted sexual advances and being lured to the scene of the eventual crime under false pretenses and whatnot? Because if you refuse to even consider those pieces of evidence then I refuse to believe you are anything other than a troll.
    If they were unwanted why didn't he resist?

    So what if she didn't say "come in here so i can have sex with you", just because he walked in there expecting something else doesnt mean he can't, you know, change priorities.

    Did he just sit there staring at his forgotten pencil reaching for it while she fondled him?

    Be realistic people

    This is like the third circle we've gone in I'm done
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    So you are speaking from a moral standpoint.

    So you think it is morally acceptable for a teacher to take advantage of a much younger student for sex on the basis of implied consent.
    If it's consensual then he was not taken advantage of.
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    If they were unwanted why didn't he resist? So what if she didn't say "come in here so i can have sex with you", just because he walked in there expecting something else doesnt mean he can't, you know, change priorities. Did he just sit there staring at his forgotten pencil reaching for it while she fondled him? Be realistic people This is like the third circle we've gone in I'm done
    For fuck's sake maybe he did resist but he was overpowered. Maybe he tried to resist but she coerced him.

  28. Post #348

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    How many of the things that came into contact with your crotch were people who were trying to have sex with you even though you didn't want to?
    If this thing came onto me



    It would not progress without a fight to the death

    because, you know, I WOULDN'T CONSENT TO IT
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    If they were unwanted why didn't he resist?

    So what if she didn't say "come in here so i can have sex with you", just because he walked in there expecting something else doesnt mean he can't, you know, change priorities.

    Did he just sit there staring at his forgotten pencil reaching for it while she fondled him?

    Be realistic people

    This is like the third circle we've gone in I'm done
    What makes you think he didn't resist? Just because it wasn't a successful attempt to resist doesn't mean he didn't resist.
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  30. Post #350

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    For fuck's sake maybe he did resist but he was overpowered. Maybe he tried to resist but she coerced him.
    How?

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    For fuck's sake maybe he did resist but he was overpowered. Maybe he tried to resist but she coerced him.
    no no that's silly she'd have to be some kind of karate master to take on a 16 year old boy!!!
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  32. Post #352

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    What makes you think he didn't resist? Just because it wasn't a successful attempt to resist doesn't mean he didn't resist.
    what makes you think he did?

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    she is in a position of authority over him

    generally teenagers don't think of their teachers as anything else other than a teacher

    even seeing a teacher at a super market is strange even when it shouldn't be

    but also there are a lot of lonely people on face punch :\ she doesn't even look that good

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    What do you mean how? Maybe she used physical force to overpower him like IT SAYS in the article.

  35. Post #355

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    no no that's silly she'd have to be some kind of karate master to take on a 16 year old boy!!!
    Most kids are well in to puberty by 16, the male "strength spurt" happens around 13, 14 usually

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    What do you mean how? Maybe she used physical force to overpower him like IT SAYS in the article.
    doesn't say overpowered nor does it strictly imply that, try again
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    If this thing came onto me



    It would not progress without a fight to the death

    because, you know, I WOULDN'T CONSENT TO IT
    Can I requote this?

    Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina.
    Your penis has a mind of it's own. If someone's going to rub your crotch, even if it looks like that, your penis will be saying "yes" while your brain is trying to say "no".
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    If this thing came onto me



    It would not progress without a fight to the death

    because, you know, I WOULDN'T CONSENT TO IT
    ok so now you're pulling the internet tough guy "gee I as a priveleged and apparently oblivious suburban teenager would sure handle that super stressful situation in a logical manner" routine
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    NorseTech: complete fucking idiot or pridefully ignorant jackass? You decide.
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  39. Post #359

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    Can I requote this?



    Your penis has a mind of it's own. If someone's going to rub your crotch, even if it looks like that, your penis will be saying "yes" while your brain is trying to say "no".
    I don't think it would be possible to get a hard-on to something I'm not remotely interested in

    And I've tried jackin off without having some fresh thoughts, it's almost impossible.

    Edited:

    NorseTech: complete fucking idiot or pridefully ignorant jackass? You decide.
    How enlightening
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  40. Post #360

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    Neither of those things matter at all if he didn't consent.
    He never said he was raped.
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