1. Post #201
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    January 2008
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    Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter II, Part VIII details penalty provisions, not definitions.
    Yes, and this defines the illegal behaviour:

    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both...
    If you want to play the definition game, though, fine:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101
    (3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
    Alien is defined (and I'm sure there is a more specific specification further down, but I don't feel like reading that shit (Cornell needs better bullet spacing)) there and then the illegal activities that deem them to be unlawful are defined in the aforementioned section.
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  2. Post #202
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    Who the fuck are YOU to dictate what YOU'RE doing? Who are you to dictate what our GOVERNMENT should do?

    If you're going to use fucking arguments like that apply them to yourself as well and then shut the fuck up, or don't use them.

    What do I do? I work IT. I help people fix their computers and electronics. I am also going to university where I am getting a degree in pathology so I can help research cures for viruses and disease.

    What the fuck do YOU do
    I don't have to prove shit. I'm not the one saying unskilled workers don't belong here.

    And what are your credentials? 20 years old, you can't have more than an associate's degree. You work "IT?" So you sit behind a desk and tell people to turn their computers on and off? Fucking please. You're worthless. You don't belong in this country.
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  3. Post #203
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    Who the fuck are YOU to dictate what YOU'RE doing? Who are you to dictate what our GOVERNMENT should do?

    If you're going to use fucking arguments like that apply them to yourself as well and then shut the fuck up, or don't use them.

    What do I do? I work IT. I help people fix their computers and electronics. I am also going to university where I am getting a degree in pathology so I can help research cures for viruses and disease.

    What the fuck do YOU do
    You working at IT doesn't qualify as a valuable skill. You would be denied citizenship to the United States if you were an immigrant.
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  4. Post #204
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    Who the fuck are YOU to dictate what YOU'RE doing? Who are you to dictate what our GOVERNMENT should do?

    If you're going to use fucking arguments like that apply them to yourself as well and then shut the fuck up, or don't use them.

    What do I do? I work IT. I help people fix their computers and electronics. I am also going to university where I am getting a degree in pathology so I can help research cures for viruses and disease.

    What the fuck do YOU do
    He's being egalitarian, you are arguing for the privileged status of people born in the US and you need to justify it
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  5. Post #205
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    He's 20. What the fuck is he doing right now that's so valuable to America?

    Edited:



    He's stealing our jobs, not paying taxes, and he shouldn't have a driver's license.

    Whatever Micky Dees job or undergrad course he's engaged in right now was stolen from a valuable, hard-working, true American.
    I'm 20. I help people process traffic tickets. I provide a service of convenience.

    is it needed? No. It is desired. But it pays money and its something I'm comfortable doing as I move up the chain.

    This entire thread has gone to shit. It's posting shit so fast that nobody seems to have noticed the dramatic reading of the Preamble by Kirk that I posted a page ago.

    There is no right answer to this, thats why we have a system where it is debated and challenged constantly.

    Even if everyone in THIS generation agrees on it, give it a generation, and the law will be challenged again, and the cycle continues.
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  6. Post #206
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    Yes, and this defines the illegal behaviour:



    If you want to play the definition game, though, fine:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101


    Alien is defined (and I'm sure there is a more specific specification further down, but I don't feel like reading that shit (Cornell needs better bullet spacing)) there and then the illegal activities that deem them to be unlawful are defined in the aforementioned section.
    Now find me the part upon which this was 'paraphrased':

    Why the fuck should someone who ISN'T supposed to be here get identification and a job when there are millions of US CITIZENS, who should COME FIRST, that don't have either?
    (if you don't want to, that's fine. You took up the banner for Faze, who refused to do so.)
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  7. Post #207
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    And what are your credentials? 20 years old, you can't have more than an associate's degree. You work "IT?" So you sit behind a desk and tell people to turn their computers on and off? Fucking please. You're worthless. You don't belong in this country.
    IT's something you can outsource to India with one in-house technician.
    He's probably consuming far more than he's worth on the free market in wages, and is a definite blemish on our economy.
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  8. Post #208
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    I don't have to prove shit. I'm not the one saying unskilled workers don't belong here.

    And what are your credentials? 20 years old, you can't have more than an associate's degree. You work "IT?" So you sit behind a desk and tell people to turn their computers on and off? Fucking please. You're worthless. You don't belong in this country.
    You have to prove just as much as I do, you shitstain. If you're going to demand proof from me I demand proof from you. You're on the side of illegal immigrants. PROVE that YOU aren't a fucking illegal.

    (User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Jaanus))
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  9. Post #209
    I don't have to prove shit. I'm not the one saying unskilled workers don't belong here.

    And what are your credentials? 20 years old, you can't have more than an associate's degree. You work "IT?" So you sit behind a desk and tell people to turn their computers on and off? Fucking please. You're worthless. You don't belong in this country.
    You are referring to me in part here so I'll give my story...I'm 25, SQL DBA and I make 85k a year. I pay 3000 out of every paycheck to uncle sam. I'd love to hear more about you and what gives you the right to come in here flaming everybody.
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  10. Post #210
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    Dennab
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    also right now the shortage of jobs occurs in the higher-paying markets, the lower and extremely low paying jobs are over-saturated with open places but they don't pay enough for a lot of americans to survive on, that is what increased the demand for illegal immigration. either illegal immigrants do these jobs or they get outsourced.
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  11. Post #211
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    You have to prove just as much as I do, you shitstain. If you're going to demand proof from me I demand proof from you. You're on the side of illegal immigrants. PROVE that YOU aren't a fucking illegal.
    You see other humans as so inherently worthless when not sufficiently trained that they don't even deserve to live in the same country you do. I think you're the shitstain.
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  12. Post #212
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    Dennab
    January 2006
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    You're on the side of illegal immigrants. PROVE that YOU aren't a fucking illegal.
    okay just stop
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  13. Post #213
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    You have to prove just as much as I do, you shitstain. If you're going to demand proof from me I demand proof from you. You're on the side of illegal immigrants. PROVE that YOU aren't a fucking illegal.
    Your job could be exported to India for a quarter of the wages you're sucking up.

    You're a goddamn leech. Get out of my fucking country. You don't belong here.
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  14. Post #214
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    that makes no sense

    there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun

    Edited:

    idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better
    definition of quality post 2012
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  15. Post #215
    (if you don't want to, that's fine. You took up the banner for Faze, who refused to do so.)
    He beat me to it by a minute. Sorry I have a life.
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  16. Post #216
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    You are referring to me in part here so I'll give my story...I'm 25, SQL DBA and I make 85k a year. I pay 3000 out of every paycheck to uncle sam. I'd love to hear more about you and what gives you the right to come in here flaming everybody.
    I don't think you understand what he's saying

    He's saying why should immigrants have to prove themselves worthy of citizenship but not people born in the US

    The point is neither should have to
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  17. Post #217
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    Your job could be exported to India for a quarter of the wages you're sucking up.

    You're a goddamn leech. Get out of my fucking country.
    And your bandwidth could be allocated to a college thats researching things that will actually help, instead you're using it to flame and post on a forum.

    you're a leech as well.
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  18. Post #218
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    You have to prove just as much as I do, you shitstain. If you're going to demand proof from me I demand proof from you. You're on the side of illegal immigrants. PROVE that YOU aren't a fucking illegal.
    He's a lawyer.

    And he doesn't have to prove shit to you. You're the one arguing that your right to citizenship should be based on marketable skills. And you don't even live up to your own expectations.
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  19. Post #219
    I don't have to prove shit. I'm not the one saying unskilled workers don't belong here.

    And what are your credentials? 20 years old, you can't have more than an associate's degree. You work "IT?" So you sit behind a desk and tell people to turn their computers on and off? Fucking please. You're worthless. You don't belong in this country.
    "IT" is a pretty blanket statement and goes from tier 1 helpdesk all the way to executive management. Shut the fuck up with your dumbass assumptions.
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  20. Post #220
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    He beat me to it by a minute. Sorry I have a life.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure he did. Yeah, you spent an hour posting conservative blogs, but you were JUST ABOUT to post that before he did.

    Uh huh.
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  21. Post #221
    Mon
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    Your job could be exported to India for a quarter of the wages you're sucking up.

    You're a goddamn leech. Get out of my fucking country. You don't belong here.
    goddamn man we didn't unban you for this shit
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  22. Post #222
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    You see other humans as so inherently worthless when not sufficiently trained that they don't even deserve to live in the same country you do. I think you're the shitstain.
    I see other humans that are not trained or educated as a drain on our economy and THAT is why I believe they should not be here. You're acting like I'm advocating that they be rounded up and shot like animals. People like you, who take what others say out of context and use it to brutalise their viewpoint, are the shitstains.
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  23. Post #223
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    "IT" is a pretty blanket statement and goes from tier 1 helpdesk all the way to executive management. Shut the fuck up with your dumbass assumptions.
    Hey pal you don't understand what's happening right now.

    BIG SURPRISE.
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  24. Post #224
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    Your job could be exported to India for a quarter of the wages you're sucking up.

    You're a goddamn leech. Get out of my fucking country. You don't belong here.
    You cannot export face to face technical support to India. And I work for minimum wage, so suck my dick.

    Once again you evade what we claim from you.

    You need to prove to us that YOU are not the leech. Either prove it or shut the fuck up. Until you prove that YOU deserve to be here what you say carries NO weight.
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  25. Post #225
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    And your bandwidth could be allocated to a college thats researching things that will actually help, instead you're using it to flame and post on a forum.

    you're a leech as well.
    Thank God that's not hypocritical because he's not the one arguing citizenship should be based on how parasitic one is or isn't.

    ~rEaDiNg CoMpReHeNsIoN~
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  26. Post #226
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    Now find me the part upon which this was 'paraphrased':



    (if you don't want to, that's fine. You took up the banner for Faze, who refused to do so.)
    If you are so incompetent that you are unable to reason that I am obviously reading off of the definitions provided in the first Subchapter, you really shouldn't be wasting my time by pretending you know something I don't.

    The act of crossing the border via illegitimate means is defined as being unlawful and apt reason for sentencing in Subchapter II. Ergo, it's fucking illegal. I'm not going to read through an entire law so that you can continue to fail at making a very simple logical connection.
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  27. Post #227
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    Shut the fuck up with your dumbass assumptions.
    uh you didn't get the point
    he was being ironic by using the concept that there's such a thing as a worthless person in society which the other dude was harpin about.

    it's pretty obvious that he doesn't actually believe any of that, but i think he was a little optimistic when it came to others comprehending his posts.

    READ, THINK, then write a response.
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  28. Post #228
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    I see other humans that are not trained or educated as a drain on our economy and THAT is why I believe they should not be here. You're acting like I'm advocating that they be rounded up and shot like animals. People like you, who take what others say out of context and use it to brutalise their viewpoint, are the shitstains.
    And what does working IT for, at most, two years, earn you that experienced and cheap low-wage labor doesn't earn them?
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  29. Post #229
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    I see other humans that are not trained or educated as a drain on our economy and THAT is why I believe they should not be here. You're acting like I'm advocating that they be rounded up and shot like animals. People like you, who take what others say out of context and use it to brutalise their viewpoint, are the shitstains.
    Yes.
    We are the shitstains.
    You say anyone who isn't a skilled worker is worthless.
    If you can't understand what is wrong with that then you have nothing to say.
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  30. Post #230
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    (if you don't want to, that's fine. You took up the banner for Faze, who refused to do so.)
    What are you saying here
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  31. Post #231
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    I see other humans that are not trained or educated as a drain on our economy and THAT is why I believe they should not be here. You're acting like I'm advocating that they be rounded up and shot like animals. People like you, who take what others say out of context and use it to brutalise their viewpoint, are the shitstains.
    Do you have any actual proof that they're a drain? Any time I've investigated this, immigration is an overwhelmingly net-positive, even in the case of illegal immigration.

    So, you're baselessly suggesting that some people don't deserve to live here.

    Prove that your asshole version of reality is correct.
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  32. Post #232
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    And your bandwidth could be allocated to a college thats researching things that will actually help, instead you're using it to flame and post on a forum.

    you're a leech as well.
    I do wonder about the level of people's basic comprehension skills sometimes
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  33. Post #233
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    If you are so incompetent that you are unable to reason that I am obviously reading off of the definitions provided in the first Subchapter, you really shouldn't be wasting my time by pretending you know something I don't.
    I don't. I'm not the one who said "the law states that US citizens come first."

    (it doesn't)
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  34. Post #234
    I don't even know what's being discussed anymore, it's just people flaming each other, goddamn.
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  35. Post #235
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    What are you saying here
    You're still in my country?

    Do you have a graduate's degree yet?
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  36. Post #236
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    Dennab
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    I see other humans that are not trained or educated as a drain on our economy and THAT is why I believe they should not be here.
    and THAT is why lankist is poking holes in that by making sure you understand that "drain" is not objective in anyway and that setting up a precedent for such a concept has consequences.
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  37. Post #237
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    And what does working IT for, at most, two years, earn you that experienced and cheap low-wage labor doesn't earn them?
    Electronics Knowledge, the ability to put together a circuit board, programming knowledge, the ability to build and maintain electronics, the ability to dismantle and troubleshoot electronics, general customer service, etc. etc. etc.
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  38. Post #238
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    Hey I'm just trying to draw attention from the shit flying faster than a speeding bullet that is this thread.
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  39. Post #239
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    illegal immigrants pay taxes, stop spreading drivel saying they don't

    read the entire thread if you don't believe me
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  40. Post #240
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    Thank God that's not hypocritical because he's not the one arguing citizenship should be based on how parasitic one is or isn't.

    ~rEaDiNg CoMpReHeNsIoN~
    It's getting pretty windy in here with all the points flying over people's heads
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